Fuji X-E1 or X-E2 opinions please?

[Sutto]

I am looking for a second back-up body for my T1, and did not want to spend too much coin. I noticed on 'fleabay' that the E1 is selling brand new for just $366 (Australian). However, the E2 are up in the $700 mark and up to $900 for the new s model - thats a huge difference over the original camera. Am I correct in thinking that the E1 has the same original sensor as the X-Pro1 and that the E2 will have the same sensor as my T1 and X100s? May I please seek some advice/opinions from kind folk who have/had the E2 and E1.

I know the images from the E1 should be fine, because I had a X-Pro1 when they first came out and the images were lovely. I am wondering more about the handling, quality of the EVF and screen, ability to handle my 55-200 lens etc, any upgrades from previous firmware updates (I mean things like accessing moving focus point with one button, back button focus, being able to programme different buttons etc). Thanks in advance.

Sutto

philipsuttonphotography.com

 

[photo perzon]

From what I read, the X-E1 is a Trans I sensor. It has normal high ISO results. The E2 has the Trans II, which has mushy high ISO foilage and so on.

I purchased the E1 to go with my original X100 (and also my A2).

 

[Mike Balance]

Hi Sutto

I’ve had an XE-1 for 18 months (still have it) and I just got an XE-2 (with firmware 4) a couple of days ago. I think if you are used to an XT-1 you will be disappointed in the XE-1, not from an image quality point-of-view, but operationally.

The XE-1 only has two programmable function buttons, and realistically one of them (the down arrow) has to be set to activate focus-area-select because the permanently programmed button for this is over on the left of the screen, so you would need both hands to change the focus area.

I’ve never used an XT-1, but I imagine it has everything the XE-2 has and more, so things you might find lacking in the XE-1 include:

Only one programmable auto ISO parameter set (3 in the XE-2). No Wifi. No electronic shutter. Two thirds of a stop of flash compensation, only accessible by menu-diving (2 stops on the XE-2, available on a function button). 2 stops of exposure comp (3 on the XE-2). No Classic Chrome simulation. XE-1 forgets intermediate set shutter speeds when you review an image and reverts to the speed set on the dial. XE-1 does not have a choice of colours for focus peaking, only white. The XE-1 continuous focus function is basically a waste of a switch position – the XE-2 seems to make a reasonable effort. No face detect on the XE-1.

The viewfinder is less laggy on the XE-2. Low light focussing is better. There are many other improvements which I haven’t got my head round yet. More things seem to be controllable by the thumb wheel which aren’t on the XE-1, but always felt as if they should be. Overall, the XE-2 has a far more modern feel to it, and I think you would feel that the XE-1 is an underdeveloped camera (which in effect it is).

The high ISO skin issue of X-trans 1 vs X-trans 2 is well documented on this forum – good luck discussing that topic.

By the way, the XE-1 still takes lovely photos, it just that things have moved on and it feels a bit old-fashioned now.

Mike

 

[Threaded]

If you're not interested in shooting jpegs and would generally be processing raw, there's no contest, the X-E2 is faster and better in pretty much every - for you. Better AF, better EVF, better layout, more functions, the list goes on.

If you like to shoot jpegs it gets more complicated. I've owned both, and am a JPEG shooter, and while I loved the images (but not particularly the handling) of the X-E1, I hated the jpegs from the X-E2 so much that no amount of better handling etc could make up for it. The high ISO skin tones from the X-E2 are just awful, to my eyes. Well documented, and defended only by those who choose to shoot raw instead.

However, I have to say my solution was not to go back to an X-E1, but go to an X-Pro1 instead, with the same first gen jpegs etc but the huge advantage of an OVF.

 

[BarnET]

I am looking for a second back-up body for my T1, and did not want to spend too much coin. I noticed on 'fleabay' that the E1 is selling brand new for just $366 (Australian). However, the E2 are up in the $700 mark and up to $900 for the new s model - thats a huge difference over the original camera. Am I correct in thinking that the E1 has the same original sensor as the X-Pro1 and that the E2 will have the same sensor as my T1 and X100s? May I please seek some advice/opinions from kind folk who have/had the E2 and E1.

Your right the Xe-2 has the Xtrans 2 which has the on sensor phase detect points.

It's a LOT faster. especially with the new firmware. Much in line with the XT-1 save for burst speed and buffer depth.

I know the images from the E1 should be fine, because I had a X-Pro1 when they first came out and the images were lovely.

The difference in the images is negligible at best.

I am wondering more about the handling,

Build is the same. With the X-E2 you can now re program nearly all buttons. It also has 1 more FN button if i recall right(been a long time)

quality of the EVF

Same quality but faster refresh rate

and screen,

4x the resolution. 1 is excellent the other barely useable.

ability to handle my 55-200 lens

The body is the same weight and size. But the X-E2 will focus relatively quickly and in the centre in good light will track moving subjects(somewhat)

The X-E1 is a mess in comparison really

etc, any upgrades from previous firmware updates (I mean things like accessing moving focus point with one button, back button focus, being able to programme different buttons etc). Thanks in advance.

Loads in favour of the X-E2.

Just check the FW4 patch notes and know that the X-E1 never got it and probably never will.

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The X-E2 is virtually the same these days as the XT-1 in operation. Save for a much smaller EVF and a rangefinder layout.

The X-E1 is pretty much the Xpro-1 with some improvements in firmware.

So the price difference is pretty easy to justify. The S on the other hand not so sure. As there is no difference worth mentioning between the S and the normal X-E2

 

[Sutto]

Hey Guys - and particularly Mike and Barn - thanks for taking the time to write some very helpful comments. I think Barn sealed the fate of the X-e1 for me. I think my X-T1 is barely good enough to handle/run/focus the 55-200 OIS - if as you say it is a 'mess' on the X-E1, then that is not going to be good enough. I got to thinking and because the Pro2 is now out and the new X-T2 is on its way soon, I might loiter around 'fleabay' a bit more and I may pick up a second-hand X-E2. I think that would be the way to go. I would (like all of us), really love the new Pro2 - that would handle my 55-200 on its ear, but here in Australia they retail for the ridiculous price of $2,400 AUD. My darling wife would divorce me if I spent that much on another camera!#$%@@&

Thanks again guys.

Sutto

philipsuttonphotography.com

 

[Threaded]

The X-E1 is pretty much the Xpro-1 with some improvements in firmware.

Just to correct you on this point - I think this might have been true briefly when the X-E1 first launched, but since then both cameras have received numerous updates simultaneously and basically run the same firmware with only minor tailoring to the different hardware.

Features, performance, AF, all are essentially the same on both first gen cameras - both much improved on their first release, but obviously behind the newer cameras with faster processors and phase detect pixels.

FW updates haven't stopped for either camera - both just got an update last month to support focus limiting on the new XF 100-400 lens for example.

 

[BarnET]

The X-E1 is pretty much the Xpro-1 with some improvements in firmware.

Just to correct you on this point - I think this might have been true briefly when the X-E1 first launched, but since then both cameras have received numerous updates simultaneously and basically run the same firmware with only minor tailoring to the different hardware.

Your right,

I made the point in accordance to the OP's previous experience with the Xpro.

I reckon the firmware has improved since he last touched it. Anyway he is using a Xt-1 at the moment. So it would still feel like a big step back.

Features, performance, AF, all are essentially the same on both first gen cameras - both much improved on their first release, but obviously behind the newer cameras with faster processors and phase detect pixels.

The hardware limitations prevent the first 2 camera's(and the cheaper XM-1.) from getting face detect eye detect electronic shutter. half decent(still not great) tracking autofocus.

FW updates haven't stopped for either camera - both just got an update last month to support focus limiting on the new XF 100-400 lens for example.

Which are more or less bug fixes and compatibility updates.

I haven't seen a complete revamp like FW 4.0 on the X-E2. It added more goodies then a new camera would have from Nikon/Canon over it's predecessor.

It practically made it ready for the current mirrorless market(albeit at a lower price as the original)

Fuji thought the same an re released it as the X-E2S. And it still does holds it's own vs the A6000, Gx80, G7 and EM10 II.

 

[Vic Chapman]

I am looking for a second back-up body for my T1, and did not want to spend too much coin. I noticed on 'fleabay' that the E1 is selling brand new for just $366 (Australian). However, the E2 are up in the $700 mark and up to $900 for the new s model - thats a huge difference over the original camera. Am I correct in thinking that the E1 has the same original sensor as the X-Pro1 and that the E2 will have the same sensor as my T1 and X100s? May I please seek some advice/opinions from kind folk who have/had the E2 and E1.

I know the images from the E1 should be fine, because I had a X-Pro1 when they first came out and the images were lovely. I am wondering more about the handling, quality of the EVF and screen, ability to handle my 55-200 lens etc, any upgrades from previous firmware updates (I mean things like accessing moving focus point with one button, back button focus, being able to programme different buttons etc). Thanks in advance.

Sutto

philipsuttonphotography.com

Hi Phil

Same sensors different processors. I just bought an unused X-E1 (already have XP1/XT1) but for conversion to IR.

The XE1 is basically your XP1 but smaller, and lighter with no OVF. It does not balance heavy lenses as well as XP but in use you support the lens with other hand anyway.

In short, my advice is to buy a used X-E2 with (or download) latest FW to bring its usability up to the standard of XE2s/XT10/XT1 especially in terms of AF performance and functionality (zones etc) and the assign-ability of function buttons and focus points

How are you enjoying the XT1 and how does it compare with your Nikons?

It'd be good to see some of your pictures from the new system.

Best, Vic

 

[BarnET]

NT

 

[Sutto]

Hi Vic

Thanks so much for chiming in. Yes, I do think that's what I will do. I am in no dire rush - we don't go to Vietnam until July and my big trip to Myanmar is at the year end. That will give me time to fine-tune my new system and pick up a back-up camera. I am slowly getting used to the T1. It was a huge decision to get rid of my 70-200 Nikkor. That thing was bolted onto my D3x and never came off. Most of the beautiful shots on the website (ones I get the most comments on), have come off that combo. However it was killing me lugging that huge kit around Asia. I sold the lens two weeks ago on 'fleabay' and I am enjoying my D3x for the first time with the little magic 50mm 1.8 on it. The thing is half the weight and a joy to carry on my Black Rapid. It is taking a bit of getting used to the T1 with the bigger lens on it (55-200). However, the images are great and the small size and weight is very endearing. I am just fine tuning things now. The D3x may still be too big for Asia so I'll keep that one for around home. I will take the X100s, the T1 with the 55-200 and (the reason I am asking about a X-e2) the other Fuji with perhaps the 50mm equivalent - FX 35 f2.

Cheers

sutto

philipsuttonphotography.com

 

[Threaded]

Don't disagree with anything you say, my intention was just to address the notion, which I've seen others repeat from time to time, that the X-E1 left the XP1 behind in some way.

As I said in my first reply to the OP, the X-E2 is much the better camera (over the X-E1), provided you don't rely on it for jpegs.

I certainly don't expect any 4.0 like makeover for my X-Pro1 - it's had its share of big upgrades in the past. It's just gratifying that Fujifilm still support all these cameras well, old and new.

 

[SamfromAL]

E1 for me.

I am very happy with it. I did not consider the E2 as it wasn't a resolution increase. I have put off XT as well for that reason.

But I got the E1 18-55 and the grip for under $700 so it was a good deal.

It was an addition for my S5pro that I keep a 2.8 70 200 sigma EX on.

The X lens seem so competent it is likely my future body of choice. XE3? or the XE that is 24MP will be my next upgrade and I will probably give someone in the family the XE1.

It's almost like buying a used car... what price point do you want to hit and what can you get for that?

E1 is a cherry deal! Either way

 

[photo perzon]

I find the E1 fast enough. No Fuji is action camera, as the reviews say. Its a question of fractions of seconds. I also have the T1 and T10 and X70.

 

[John M Roberts]

Hey Guys - and particularly Mike and Barn - thanks for taking the time to write some very helpful comments. I think Barn sealed the fate of the X-e1 for me. I think my X-T1 is barely good enough to handle/run/focus the 55-200 OIS - if as you say it is a 'mess' on the X-E1, then that is not going to be good enough. I got to thinking and because the Pro2 is now out and the new X-T2 is on its way soon, I might loiter around 'fleabay' a bit more and I may pick up a second-hand X-E2. I think that would be the way to go. I would (like all of us), really love the new Pro2 - that would handle my 55-200 on its ear, but here in Australia they retail for the ridiculous price of $2,400 AUD. My darling wife would divorce me if I spent that much on another camera!#$%@@&

From viewing your wonderful portraits with such warm expressions, color and composition I would think it wouldn't be too difficult to sell a few of those prints to cover the Pro2 and remind your wife that it can be a write off tax wise, at least it can be here in the USA. Carrying a D3 with what, the f2.8 70~200, that is a burden. I finally got the f4 refurbished which is a huge difference to me in size and weight.

It seems you are indeed moving lighter which makes sense yet from what you shoot I would think swift reaction time to capture those fleeting expressions is paramount. I'd be very curious as to your reaction to using the X-E2 in action. As you say, the X-T1 barely cuts it.

I adore the size and weight of my Fuji system and picked it up mainly for that. I have not yet moved beyond the X-E1 due to need. I'm sure I'd much prefer the X-T1 and even more the Pro2 as far as handling and response for I really do not enjoy the handling of the X-E1. The images are wonderful but it is quite frustrating to use in regards to spontaneity and flow. I put up with it for when certain treks are just too arduous.

I'm looking forward to investigating the Pro2 and the anticipated X-T2 with the hopes that with the latter the EV finder's response time would be quick. Still in considering your subject matter and desire to lighten up, I'd be curious to hear if you considered a D750 with either the 24~120 or the f4 70~200? That alone just for your mid telephoto needs seems like it'd be a impressionable difference in your load.

If you are curious you could visit some of the portrait shot I did in the 70's in Peru obviously with the lighter film SLR's. Again, you really have some great people shots.

Thanks again guys.

Sutto

philipsuttonphotography.com

 

[IslandTractor]

I use an X-E1 as a backup for my X-T1. It's fine. Best bang for the buck in the Fuji lineup because it is essentially discontinued. It still takes excellent photographs and as a backup body doesn't need to have the latest greatest features or speed. Zero compromises on image quality.

 

[uniball]

For me, mixing an XT1 with either of the XE's is a lousy combination. I had an XE1 for my 2 years with an XT1. They have very different ergos and you will need to be adept at switching between the 2. In the end I sold my XT1 as I much preferred the handling of the XE's and replaced them both with an XE2.

Some people can deal with remembering which function buttons replace dials, some touch controls a couple of times a year and it's irrelevant. But if you shoot quick, it's tough to get natural when the controls are different, the viewfinder is in a different place and eye placement can be sloppy with the XT1 but needs to be more critical with the XE's. Lenses also balance different. I find the XE's with a thumb grip handle longer/adapted lenses better than a gripped XT1.