Pentax Innovation

[ozdean]

People laughed at the KS1 leds but this innovation led to their very practical use in the K1.

Even if folks don't take a shine to Pentax they have to agree they and their Parent Ricoh are the most innovative of all Camera companies and the thing I like is they listen to us, implementing many of our ideas in software updates and future model developments.

 

[apathyman]

People laughed at the KS1 leds but this innovation led to their very practical use in the K1.

Even if folks don't take a shine to Pentax they have to agree they and their Parent Ricoh are the most innovative of all Camera companies and the thing I like is they listen to us, implementing many of our ideas in software updates and future model developments.

While I don't disagree about Ricoh/Pentax being innovative, I'm not sure they are the 'most' innovative. I think Olympus is right up there as well (eg. Live Composite, In-camera focus stacking etc).

Cheers

Brian

(Pentax and Olympus user)

 

[Batdude]

Hey, you never know what can happen. Look at fuji for example, only a few years ago they only had a handful of lenses, now they have a bunch of them, and their cameras continue to mature.

Look at it this way, a black president, gay rights, etc. Who knew, right? Who knows, If pentax continues this same way without stopping maybe they will dominate the DSLR market in a few years. I mean, you just never know. But yeah, a lot of people, including myself, got their eyes on this K1.

And yeah, those darn LEDs are indeed very freaking cool and innovative, IMHO.

 

[ASR45]

I no brand loyalist, been around the block and back, Nikon/Canon seem to leap frog each other, and you have to go with what you like, i like pentax but left because noise was a big issue for me, and Canon & Nikon were streets ahead in the game as is sony. However you cannot beat pentax for weather sealing and build, they lack in some parts and make up in others. Its what floats your boat, for me IQ and good glass go hand in hand.

 

[Batdude]

I no brand loyalist, been around the block and back, Nikon/Canon seem to leap frog each other, and you have to go with what you like, i like pentax but left because noise was a big issue for me, and Canon & Nikon were streets ahead in the game as is sony. However you cannot beat pentax for weather sealing and build, they lack in some parts and make up in others. Its what floats your boat, for me IQ and good glass go hand in hand.

 

[awaldram]

I no brand loyalist, been around the block and back, Nikon/Canon seem to leap frog each other, and you have to go with what you like, i like pentax but left because noise was a big issue for me, and Canon & Nikon were streets ahead in the game as is sony. However you cannot beat pentax for weather sealing and build, they lack in some parts and make up in others. Its what floats your boat, for me IQ and good glass go hand in hand.

 

[DAVID MANZE]

I no brand loyalist, been around the block and back, Nikon/Canon seem to leap frog each other, and you have to go with what you like, i like pentax but left because noise was a big issue for me, and Canon & Nikon were streets ahead in the game as is sony. However you cannot beat pentax for weather sealing and build, they lack in some parts and make up in others. Its what floats your boat, for me IQ and good glass go hand in hand.

 

[KL Matt]

Heh Dean,

I get your point, but putting lights on a camera in a new spot is not innovation, it's merely a design decision like any other. A nice touch on the K1, sure, but innovation is something else entirely. Superresolution with motion cancellation, on the other hand, I would see as true innovation.

Matt

 

[Alex Sarbu]

Heh Dean,

I get your point, but putting lights on a camera in a new spot is not innovation, it's merely a design decision like any other. A nice touch on the K1, sure, but innovation is something else entirely. Superresolution with motion cancellation, on the other hand, I would see as true innovation.

Matt

IMO using LEDs to illuminate the back controls, camera mount and SD card slots is definitely innovation.

Alex

 

[awaldram]

Heh Dean,

I get your point, but putting lights on a camera in a new spot is not innovation, it's merely a design decision like any other. A nice touch on the K1, sure, but innovation is something else entirely. Superresolution with motion cancellation, on the other hand, I would see as true innovation.

Matt

IMO using LEDs to illuminate the back controls, camera mount and SD card slots is definitely innovation.

Alex

Innovation = new method , product or idea

I think lighting the main controls for use in dark is new

Innovation does not = difficult

Therefore this idea being new is an innovation maybe (with hi sensitivity sensors) obvious but someone has to be first .

 

[phoenix15]

Heh Dean,

I get your point, but putting lights on a camera in a new spot is not innovation, it's merely a design decision like any other. A nice touch on the K1, sure, but innovation is something else entirely. Superresolution with motion cancellation, on the other hand, I would see as true innovation.

Matt

 

[awaldram]

Heh Dean,

I get your point, but putting lights on a camera in a new spot is not innovation, it's merely a design decision like any other. A nice touch on the K1, sure, but innovation is something else entirely. Superresolution with motion cancellation, on the other hand, I would see as true innovation.

Matt

 

[ASR45]

I no brand loyalist, been around the block and back, Nikon/Canon seem to leap frog each other, and you have to go with what you like, i like pentax but left because noise was a big issue for me, and Canon & Nikon were streets ahead in the game as is sony. However you cannot beat pentax for weather sealing and build, they lack in some parts and make up in others. Its what floats your boat, for me IQ and good glass go hand in hand.

 

[DAVID MANZE]

I no brand loyalist, been around the block and back, Nikon/Canon seem to leap frog each other, and you have to go with what you like, i like pentax but left because noise was a big issue for me, and Canon & Nikon were streets ahead in the game as is sony. However you cannot beat pentax for weather sealing and build, they lack in some parts and make up in others. Its what floats your boat, for me IQ and good glass go hand in hand.

 

[awaldram]

I no brand loyalist, been around the block and back, Nikon/Canon seem to leap frog each other, and you have to go with what you like, i like pentax but left because noise was a big issue for me, and Canon & Nikon were streets ahead in the game as is sony. However you cannot beat pentax for weather sealing and build, they lack in some parts and make up in others. Its what floats your boat, for me IQ and good glass go hand in hand.

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Yet according to your signature your shooting Canon with it currently poor IQ against the Sony sensors used by Nikon, Pentax and Sony ?

Who said poor IQ ?

you said (highlighted and underlined for you above) it implicit you went for Canon for lower noise and better IQ , Neither of which is true compared to modern Sony sensors.

This Sony sensors have lower noise with greater IQ across all current DSLR market segments so you point on your motives does not stack up.

You are thinking to hard.

No thinking required the facts are readily available from many site and sources including the manufacturers themselves.

There are valid reasons to be using Canon dslr's but noise/Dr are not amongst them.

Agreed, about DR, but nothing wrong with the noise.

lower DR = greater shadow noise or blown highlights there is direct correlation.

If you agree on DR you have to agree on noise as they are related.

The reason the Sony 16Mp aps-C sensor is king of low noise in aps-C is because it has such a wide DR capability

i.e

k5ii Dr 14.1db (iso 70) Eos5dii DR 11.8 (iso 70)

k5ii SNR 42Db Eos5dii SNR 43Db

So with twice the light gathering area the Canon 5D ii is still as noisy as the k5ii .

with the same magnification the Canon would be visibly noisier than the Sony 16Mp sensor

D810 DR 14.3 (iso 70) SNR 46Db

As expected the 36Mp Sony FF sensor with twice the light gathering as the Sony APS-C sensor easily exceeds twice the noise performance of the 6 years old aps-C sensor.

See no thought required just looking up the figures for each sensor.

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[ASR45]

I no brand loyalist, been around the block and back, Nikon/Canon seem to leap frog each other, and you have to go with what you like, i like pentax but left because noise was a big issue for me, and Canon & Nikon were streets ahead in the game as is sony. However you cannot beat pentax for weather sealing and build, they lack in some parts and make up in others. Its what floats your boat, for me IQ and good glass go hand in hand.

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Alan.
Great photography is about depth of feeling, not depth of field.
- Peter Adams
You don't take a photograph, you make it. - Ansel Adams.
Believe in Karma.

Yet according to your signature your shooting Canon with it currently poor IQ against the Sony sensors used by Nikon, Pentax and Sony ?

Who said poor IQ ?

you said (highlighted and underlined for you above) it implicit you went for Canon for lower noise and better IQ , Neither of which is true compared to modern Sony sensors.

Andrew You seem to be going astray here, yes i do shoot with canon, yes lower noise, i have no argument with sony sensors, perhaps you do.

This Sony sensors have lower noise with greater IQ across all current DSLR market segments so you point on your motives does not stack up.

You are thinking to hard.

No thinking required the facts are readily available from many site and sources including the manufacturers themselves.

Andrew How lovely.

There are valid reasons to be using Canon dslr's but noise/Dr are not amongst them.

Agreed, about DR, but nothing wrong with the noise.

lower DR = greater shadow noise or blown highlights there is direct correlation.

yes andrew in some situations,, please go and correct your flickr photo the one with the horizon all over the place, bull rushes or something like that, such is it is nowadays easily put right in software. I would take you more serious if you understood the fundamentals of taking a decent photo, not having a go dear boy you understand, just had to point that one out, hope you don't mind. Now down to more important things, not sure what i should cook for tonights tea, hmmm chicken is looking good at the moment. :-D

If you agree on DR you have to agree on noise as they are related.

Andrew What ever you say young man, let no man tell you any different.

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[awaldram]

awaldram wrote:.

lower DR = greater shadow noise or blown highlights there is direct correlation.

yes in some situations,, please go and correct your flickr photo the one with the horizon all over the place, bull rushes or something like that, such is it is nowadays easily put right in software.

Flicker = snap shots

If you look at that series you will see everyone has a non linear horizon

I would take you more serious if you understood the fundamentals of taking a decent photo,

Yet I've got image posted in tough critic based site and you present nothing ?

not having a go dear boy you understand,

Well I think you are attempting to have a go but as my serious images have been critiqued and accepted as decent art by peers considerably more able than yourself (based on the images you've offered fro perusal) I'm not at all offended.

just had to point that one out, hope you don't mind.

I don't mind at all, Presented with incontrovertible evidence that your considerably more 'brand' led than you make out you attack the messenger rather than the message.

Speaks volumes.

Now down to more important things, not sure what i should cook for tonights tea, hmmm chicken is looking good at the moment. :-D

If you agree on DR you have to agree on noise as they are related.

What ever you say young man,

Mmm you assume your older than me ?

I started using a Mamya Family in 1968 ......

let no man tell you any different.

Again given the obvious and unarguable facts I think no man or woman who knows what their talking about is likely to .

 

[ASR45]

Heh Dean,

I get your point, but putting lights on a camera in a new spot is not innovation, it's merely a design decision like any other. A nice touch on the K1, sure, but innovation is something else entirely. Superresolution with motion cancellation, on the other hand, I would see as true innovation.

Matt

 

[ASR45]

awaldram wrote:.

lower DR = greater shadow noise or blown highlights there is direct correlation.

yes in some situations,, please go and correct your flickr photo the one with the horizon all over the place, bull rushes or something like that, such is it is nowadays easily put right in software.

Flicker = snap shots

I guessed so andrew, snap shots.

If you look at that series you will see everyone has a non linear horizon

Do they.

I would take you more serious if you understood the fundamentals of taking a decent photo,

Yet I've got image posted in tough critic based site and you present nothing ?

present what, do i need andrew.

not having a go dear boy you understand,

Well I think you are attempting to have a go but as my serious images have been critiqued and accepted as decent art by peers considerably more able than yourself (based on the images you've offered fro perusal) I'm not at all offended.

Thank the lord for that, sometimes its easy to get misunderstood.

just had to point that one out, hope you don't mind.

I don't mind at all, Presented with incontrovertible evidence that your considerably more 'brand' led than you make out you attack the messenger rather than the message.

Ouch did not see that one coming.

Speaks volumes.

Now down to more important things, not sure what i should cook for tonights tea, hmmm chicken is looking good at the moment. :-D

If you agree on DR you have to agree on noise as they are related.

What ever you say young man,

Mmm you assume your older than me ?

probably older than most, but still can walk 10 miles a day, not bad for an old one.

I started using a Mamya Family in 1968 ......

Box brownie for me.

let no man tell you any different.

Again given the obvious and unarguable facts I think no man or woman who knows what their talking about is likely to .

You are so Andrew dear boy, you have to be happy with your lot, i hear the weather is turning for the worst tomorrow, so its rain stop play. Great being retired though, there always the tea dances take your partners for a quick step.

 

[Benjamin Kanarek]

I must say, that Bang for the Buck, the Pentax certainly do not hold back when it comes to features. Some more useful than others. For me personally I want just three things. Excellent Auto Focus accuracy, a Large Buffer and High Pixel Low Noise Output. All the rest is just icing on the cake.







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