EOSM versus Apple iPhone 6s (Pics)

[Marco Nero]

EOSM + 22mm f/2 lens (shot from a car window) - after sunset


iPhone 6s (shot from a car window) - after sunset. Could have adjusted the exposure of this one but I was taking this picture to send to my wife whilst she was on the phone to me.


EOSM + 22mm lens (shot from car window)


iPhone 6s (shot from car window)


EOSM + 22mm f/2 lens (standing on a rock)


iPhone 6s +22mm f/2 lens (standing on same rock) - taken in panorama mode, this image required a correction as I wasn't panning the device correctly in the bright morning sunlight.


EOSM + 22mm f/2 lens (camera held out of a vehicle sunroof)


iPhone 6s (phone held out of a vehicle sunroof)


EOSM + 11-22mm f/4-5.6 IS STM lens


iPhone 6s


EOSM + 22mm f/2 lens (gold nugget recovered from the riverbed)


iPhone 6s (that's a leech)


Just so you know how noisy and smeared the lowlight pictures from the iPhone 6s can be ....

 

[4everAnoob]

Apple's strength with their cameras used to be their image processing. Up until the Iphone 6 they used an unaggressive approach which allowed for more noise but also more details. I much preferred that to this mushy processing they use now. If I want mushy I can buy any other phone out there. Maybe I am splitting hairs but I think they have made a big mistake here.

 

[Tonkotsu Ramen]

But last week I retired my PowerShot S95 and my iPod Touch ... and my 2004 Motorolla V3 bananaphone... and bought an Apple iPhone 6s.
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Now I must point out that the iPhone 6s with its f/2.2 camera lens doesn't produce lovely pictures in low light without some pretty hefty noise. In fact it doesn't produce great pictures in mediochre light if you compare it to the EOS M + 22mm f/2 STM lens. But it can indeed take some stunning pictures in moderate to good light.
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Because I was worried about missing a shot (since I'm new to using an iPhone), I doubled up on a few shots and only noticed when editing them later. I'm actually surprised how many were similar. I thought some of the forum members might find it interesting to see how some of the iPhone pictures appeared slightly more appealing (to me at least) than those from my EOSM.
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[MikeJ9116]

The M could deliver the same processing results as the iPhone. All it would take is tweaking the jpg settings in the menu. The M also delivers RAW files and this would be game over for the iPhone as the M would crush it for IQ.

 

[Habs Fan27]

The M could deliver the same processing results as the iPhone. All it would take is tweaking the jpg settings in the menu. The M also delivers RAW files and this would be game over for the iPhone as the M would crush it for IQ.

I don't think this is the point the OP was trying to make. Most decent cellphones now have a camera that is good enough to get some usable if not really good images. Could you do better with a proper camera shooting RAW? Sure. But then you have to sit there and process all your images, and export them, etc. I think for a quick snapshot, iPhones and other higher end cellphones do great and you don't have to always lug your camera around with you.

Check out Graeme Roy's Instagram here of his street photography using an iPhone.

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Yes, they are small, low res images but the quality is there. There are limitations for phone cameras but they are much higher than they were a couple of years ago. It all depends on what is good enough for you.

 

[crashpc]

You need to set your camera once (for this). No sitting and processing.

No doubt todays phone cameras are very good. We don´t say no. But even in these pictures, I see more potential with M images. Look at the first one, especially at grass going into distance. It´s a mush with iPhone, and little bit better with Canon and base processing. That was the reason I left Powershot G15. It cannot measure with larger sensor and fast, sharp prime lens.

I use my camera phone almost daily, and it serves the purpose. But it´s not up to many tasks and intentions, it has only one focal lenght...

I could compare a hammer with a piece of wood, and I would hammer that nail as fast with the wood as with the hammer. What does it say about the hammer, and the wood? Do workers opt for wood, because it is cheaper or something like that?

 

[JimWongyyz]

The M could deliver the same processing results as the iPhone. All it would take is tweaking the jpg settings in the menu. The M also delivers RAW files and this would be game over for the iPhone as the M would crush it for IQ.

If M could deliver, why don't Canon deliver ? I could be a billionaire but I choose to ....

I have M, but I prefer the color from iPhone 6.

 

[MikeJ9116]

The M could deliver the same processing results as the iPhone. All it would take is tweaking the jpg settings in the menu. The M also delivers RAW files and this would be game over for the iPhone as the M would crush it for IQ.

If M could deliver, why don't Canon deliver ? I could be a billionaire but I choose to ....

I have M, but I prefer the color from iPhone 6.

With a few in camera adjustments you can have the same color from the M.

 

[SkipJG]

Interesting thread. I've had an iPhone since the 4 model and have been generally well pleased with their photos, in good light. Since I have my phone with me all the time (now a 6 model), it gets a lot of use and I have some great shots thanks to it. I have to say Apple does some really good things in how they cook the data to get the jpegs they output. I like the color, I like the metering. THe Apple seems to get the color the old Canon CCD sensors output.

Now when the light falls off, or inside the Apple falls off as well. Just the way it goes. 95% of the public could care less about the low light results and what they could have had with a larger sensor. It's something we discuss here.

Canon M/M3 is a great system. I still have my M and use it along with the EF-M 22 as a small travel option. It's fun to use. Use my 70D when I need reach and fast autofocus for the kids activities.

Just out of curiosity, what would the settings be for Canon JPEGs to emulate the Apple?

Marco, nice photos as always. Always enjoy your thoughts and perspectives.

Regards,

 

[JimWongyyz]

I took my M with kit lens and 22mm on a Caribbean trip. We end up use iPhone 6 with selfie stick more often than my M. The detail and color from iPhone 6 is more appeasing than my M.

Of course M cannot replace iPhone. iPhone + selfie stick is lot more convenient than a M+tripod

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[MikeJ9116]

Just out of curiosity, what would the settings be for Canon JPEGs to emulate the Apple?

It looks to me like they has upped the contrast and color saturation. Start with that and see how close it gets you. I think you can probably come up with settings with the M that you like better than what the iPhone produces.

 

[whakapu]

iphone does what it does very well (take what the sensor captures and process that toward aprofile that is proven to generally please). There is still more information being captured by thebigger sensor that can be processed in a number of ways. However, the gap is closing and the iphone 7 is going to be another dagger in the body of the camera industry (dual lenses - zoom - shallow DOF - probably post-focus).

 

[MikeJ9116]

Don't need to wait on the iPhone 7. Asus has already shoved the next dagger into the low end P&S camera segment. It is called the ZenFone Zoom. It has a 28-84mm ten element optical zoom, OIS, laser focusing etc.

 

[Marco Nero]

iPhone 6s - (HDR OFF)


iPhone 6s + HDR


iPhone 6s + HDR - Lightning from a shopping center carpark. That cloud killed people as I was taking pictures of it. There were fatalities from falling trees etc.


iPhone 6s + HDR - My neighbors have some nice roses. I had to crouch down to get the sunburst in the shot.


iPhone 6s + HDR - some smeary detail but still useable.


iPhone 6s + HDR - these purple flowers are literally this bright. Perfect color accuracy here.


iPhone 6s + HDR


iPhone 6s + HDR


iPhone 6s + HDR


Canon EOSM + 22mm lens (HDR OFF)


Apple iPhone 6s (HDR OFF)

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[nnowak]

Welcome to the new world order!

The image sensors in most phones are a lot bigger than many people realize. For example, compared to your old S95, your new iPhone is only 1-1/3 stops behind in terms of sensor area. Add in the radically superior processing of current phones, and it is easy to see why the compact camera market is collapsing.

In case you were curious, your iPhone has a full frame equivalency of 29mm f16. Or, 18mm f10 on your M.

 

[Photato]

Apple's strength with their cameras used to be their image processing. Up until the Iphone 6 they used an unaggressive approach which allowed for more noise but also more details. I much preferred that to this mushy processing they use now. If I want mushy I can buy any other phone out there. Maybe I am splitting hairs but I think they have made a big mistake here.

100% Agreed.

And not only that, I am also disappointed that Apple hasn't made available Raw mode like in some Android Phones since more than a year ago.

 

[rxb dc]

Welcome to the new world order!

The image sensors in most phones are a lot bigger than many people realize. For example, compared to your old S95, your new iPhone is only 1-1/3 stops behind in terms of sensor area. Add in the radically superior processing of current phones, and it is easy to see why the compact camera market is collapsing.

In case you were curious, your iPhone has a full frame equivalency of 29mm f16. Or, 18mm f10 on your M.

Precisely.
The reason to use the M would be for low light, lens options, DOF and flexibility in using flashes etc. with DSLRs, add AF speed and low light performance , plus controls.
If you don't need those, iPhone would work just as well or even better since you have it with you all the time.
Just to note, Nat Geo requirement is 8mp so iPhones are just about enough.
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[SkipJG]

HDR on the iPhone is really very good like you say. Rarely do you get something that is over-baked so to speak. In fact I always keep my iPhone 6 in HDR all the time. There is an option to keep a non HDR photo as well which I do. When I review my photos I just chose the one I like best between HDR and non-HDR. Sometimes I keep both.

No doubt the larger sensor of the M will always get more info. That why I keep the M and the 70D around and use them so often. But in bright sunlight the iPhone does very, very nice.



And if you just enjoy looking on an iPhone or tablet, night can be good as well:




Magic Kingdom, December 2015






Magic Kingdom, December 2015

 

[Lightgreen]

Thread bump. I feel the comparison is even more appropriate these days, almost a year later, with the iPhone 7 / 7 Plus (in particular) vs any of the M's.

Really it's "the" showdown as I can tell from the post millennials (which love their DSLRs btw, whatever you think of DSLRs, they've made up their mind they're "good"; they got started on photography from their smartphone, go figure), the M is poised to be the weapon of choice for many of them. But the smartphone photography segment is rapidly evolving. Things like macro photography, wide angle and low light opportunities are still out of reach, no pun intended, due to optics / sensor size, but otherwise telephoto opportunities are being bridged by dual camera tech, depth of field is being bridged by software emulation and dual camera tech and low light is making leaps with larger sensors and better software noise reduction.

 

[007peter]

I much prefer the warmer tone of Apple IPhone rendering. Particularly in the 1st shots of sunrise over valley. The Sausage also look more delicious on the IPhone 6.

I've own Canon for over 10 yrs, and I never shoot in its Green/Scene mode because my own manual setting in A/S/P/M always produce better results.

But on IPhone 6/7 or Samsung S6/S7, I find its Auto Mode produce nearly perfect exposure & perfect WB that my dedicated Canon DSLR or EOS-M can never do. For example, Canon tend to error overly warm WB in low light that I need to fixed in post.