Which mirrorless camera as secondary

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I am currently shooting with The D810 and The D600, and since i've only had nikon, i have a lot of nikon-lenses for my gear. But i am beginning to think that my regular dslr's are a bit chunky, and I'm looking for a small mirrorless camera with interchangeable lenses, for casual photography. That means mainly street and casual landscape photography.

I have, of course, been looking at the Nikon 1 j5, but I am not necessarily going for the Nikon 1, since I will have to change system anyway. Other than that, I find that the Nikon 1 series have a small sensor, and I find it hard to figure out if the performance is decent.

i have been looking at the following cameras:

Panasonic GM-5

Olympus OMD-EM10 (used)

Fuji X-M1

I am looking for a small and still stylish (vintage) mirrorless camera

What are your recommendations? Is the small sensor in the j5 too small? Or is the performance still better than you would expect?
 
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I too have been in a similar situation as you. However I already have an omd5.2 and want to compliment it with a backup.

This is what I've thought.

The fujifilm x100 is a compact but very pricey choice but you get retro in spades.

The omd10 can be bought refurbished for as low as 280. I'd probably go this way.

The Fuji pro is selling brand new for 500 body only, but you arguably get a better camera with a sensor for cheaper than the x100.

If you go the micro 4/3 route then the two kit lenses covers the 14-150 range (28-300 equivalent) for under $200. In some cases well under 200. Add a single fast prime of either 25mm or 45mm for $100-200 and you're looking at a pretty complete system. This is what I've done.

Anyway, let me know what you've done since I'm somewhat in the same situation as you (2nd camera backup, not sure which way to go).
 
I am currently shooting with The D810 and The D600, and since i've only had nikon, i have a lot of nikon-lenses for my gear. But i am beginning to think that my regular dslr's are a bit chunky, and I'm looking for a small mirrorless camera with interchangeable lenses, for casual photography. That means mainly street and casual landscape photography.

I have, of course, been looking at the Nikon 1 j5, but I am not necessarily going for the Nikon 1, since I will have to change system anyway. Other than that, I find that the Nikon 1 series have a small sensor, and I find it hard to figure out if the performance is decent.

i have been looking at the following cameras:

Panasonic GM-5

Olympus OMD-EM10 (used)

Fuji X-M1

I am looking for a small and still stylish (vintage) mirrorless camera

What are your recommendations? Is the small sensor in the j5 too small? Or is the performance still better than you would expect?
Good camera's are the Sony A6000 and A5100 or the Samsung NX500. They are rangefinder-style mirrorrless with an APS-C sensor.

Rudi
 
I'm not sure that is wholly true, Fuji (which was my choice and therefore my suggestion) has a good lens range and a coherent range of bodies. Sony OTOH seems to have a plan to simply knock out bodies more or less willy nilly. Even a new A mount camera has hit the streets. Only Leica can compete for system confusion.

I didn't get on well with M43, but it was the original iteration of Olympus Pen. m43 isn't that much smaller than Fuji and for that reason I'd suggest sticking with APS sized sensors, accepting that newer M43 works better.

In truth it is difficult to buy a bad camera nowadays. Oh, not Samsung.

If, of course, you are a Canon user the EOS-M is the obvious choice.
 
Solution A: Sony A7RII

Very compact and relatively light - particularly with its 35/2.8. You can stuff it then still in large coat pocket. It can take all your Nikon lenses, probably soon also with AF for the newer lenses. It's in-body stabilizer can be very useful. There is no concession to be made to any quality aspect you are used to and you keep with your lenses the habitual field of view and other properties you are familiar with.

Solution B: Olympus OMD E-M5II or E-M10II. More compact and lighter, particularly with its small and very good primes. Large choice of lenses, including pancakes that make those camera pocketable in an average coat pocket. Excellent in-body stabilizer for any work.

I use personally in the Olympus range the older E-P5 or E-M5 when packs are to be kept small and yet versatility is to be maintained. If you are a user of zoom lenses the Olys have a lot to offer in terms of weight and modest bulk.
 
...my regular dslr's are a bit chunky, and I'm looking for a small mirrorless camera with interchangeable lenses, for casual photography. ...

i have been looking at the following cameras:

Panasonic GM-5

Olympus OMD-EM10 (used)
If you are planning to get several lenses for your secondary system then Micro 4/3 (either of the above) make sense because their lenses are generally smaller than APS-C lenses for a given field of view. As for camera bodies, the GM5 is the walk-away winner for size on your list, whereas the EM10 is quite bulky for its sensor size.
Fuji X-M1
Is there a reason this is the only option without a viewfinder? Coming from DSLRs you might find that a bit of a problem. The X-T10 would seem to me your best option from the Fuji range. It is a bit taller and wider than the X-M1, but the bodies are the same depth and with a lens mounted I wouldn't see much advantage to the X-M1.

Have a look at this comparison. You can add lenses, too, if you want

I am looking for a small and still stylish (vintage) mirrorless camera

What are your recommendations? Is the small sensor in the j5 too small? Or is the performance still better than you would expect?
Sorry, can't comment. I use an even smaller Canon G15 for my 'out with the kids' camera, but everyone has different wants and needs.

The J5 is not noticeably smaller than the GM5. Considering the theoretical marketing mystique of the Nikon brand the Nikon One family has had remarkably little success as far as I can see.
 
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I just bought an A6000 for a similar purpose. IQ is excellent, and the form, size, and weight is very similar to my Canonet QL17-GIII, but with a zoom lens and a nice finger grip to boot.

I have had a Fuji X-T1 in the past and found it to be operationally qwirky at best, and not as well built or reliable as I had expected for the kind of price that was paid for it. That was not due to the old-school interface either as I grew up on MF SLRs and still shoot them regulalrly today. I also thought IQ wasn't particularly stunning and felt it had a rather artificial feel to it, even compared to a number of other DSLRs I own. I don't think I would go the Fuji route ever again unless they change their sensors to a more traditional design, bump up their QA, and make their cams more operationally in-line with other current mirroless/DSLR choices.

At the time, I was also considering the Panasonic G7 as well, but opted for the A6000 because I could buy it locally and I liked the larger sensor better. The Panny still still looks like a nice unit though, and I prefer it over any of the Oly cams, especially for the price that's being asked.

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A minority view of Fuji.
 
A minority view of Fuji.
And? Does that somehow render it any less valid or accurate?

I was one of the first to recieve an XT-1 when it was released due to having pre-ordered it months in advance. As such, it was palgued with the light leak issue and the soft button issue, which warranted having to wait and have it replaced by a new unit that had those issues fixed. Others also have had, and are still having, button failures, settings dial failures, rear thumb-wheel failures, On/Off switch failures, shutter button failures, port doors that bowed from normal use to the point they wouldn't shut, squeaky SD card doors, rubber covering peeling off after less than a few monthes of use, and paint peeling off after the same. Do you want me to go on? This was for a $1400 body, you know (still $1k plus even now).

Mine was also the only camera I ever had to buy a rear LCD protector for because the "tempered glass" scratched after one day due to a soft rubber button on my jacket. My D3 also has a tempered glass LCD and after 7 years of professional use, including times being carried with the aforementioned soft rubber buttoned jacket and other far worse options, still looks identical to the day I bought it.

Operationally, the camera was quirky at best. Having to re-focus for every shot even when the shutter button was held with a continuous half-press for the follow up shots is ridiculous and unlike any other mirrorless/DSLR on the market, save for P&Ss. Having metering lock with shutter press and no option to have a free meter is also sub-par; even my Canon A-1 from the 80's can do this as well as all of my current Nikon gear and Canon in certain modes - and my cheapo A6000 as well. Not being able to view menu settings on the rear LCD when I have only the EVF active, yet it's fine with image review is also stupid and unlike any other camera out there. And I could go on. Oh, and inconsistent or sometimes non-existent aperture ring markings across the lens line doesn't bode well either.

Also, having already long established a professional pp/editing workflow for the rest of my cameras, having to play RAW-convertor-of-the-day to deal with XTrans rendering weaknesses was less than satisfactory. I will admit that the OOC jpgs are quite nice, but they're jpgs so fairly useless to me. Metering was spot on everytime though, I'll give it that, and the colors quite pretty too. Overall though, the IQ was still pretty artificial looking, and my 12MP D3 with a 50mm f1.8 lens that cost less than half of the Fuji 35 f1.4 did was noticeably better in almost every instance. And the D7100 that replaced my X-T1? - along with its cheap 35mm f1.8, it absolutely ate it for lunch IQ-wise, never mind build quality and reliability-wise as well. Oh yeah, and at $300 less cash too. And it could shoot action as well without a hitch and no fiddling with AF spot size, hi performnce mode, or fighting an EVF drowning in lag due to 8fps of continuous captures.

And before you say that it may just be a single-case scenario I experienced, I see the same IQ faults and operational quirks in my little XQ1 too, which means it's systemic to Fuji in general.

So, if you want to call foul on me and try to downplay my experience, too bad. To say the X-T1 was one of the most, if not the most, disappointing cameras I've owned, is pretty much spot on. I really like what Fuji is doing concept-wise, and I had high-hopes when I pre-ordered it, but the reality was that they really don't know how to polish a final product like other manufacturers and I didn't appreciate paying top-dollar for a camera that still felt like a late prototype in hand and in use. My first digital cam ever was a Fuji, so to have to say that is somewhat deflating.
 
It makes it less widely generalisable, there are a lot of people who, like me, find the Fujis very acceptable (I don't need superbly fast AF or video), including people who take photos for a living. This is of course the problem with asking questions like this on this sort of forum, you get a series of individual views based on who has strong views, who happens to be on line and so on. The problem with reviews is often that the magazine or www site only gets gear to review if they are nice about it as it comes from the makers.

Fortunately it is very difficult to buy a bad camera these days.
 
Thanks for all The replies - yes I recon that if you ask a in such a forum, you will get many different points of view. This was also why I did it, because I want to consider all the aspects I can.

I must say that I have green more skeptical about the Nikon 1 series - it just wrong to have such a well spec'ed camera with such a small lens.

Another thing I didn't mention is my budget - it's around 300 GBP / 450 USD / 400 euro, which narrows it all down. I'm looking for a good camera, but not he best since I still use my D600 and D810

I just saw a pretty neat deal on the Sony a5100 for 274 gbp with a kit lens. What do you recon?
 
That is a really good buy, Currys show it today at £250. What I'd be cautious about is viewing Sony as a good SYSTEM to buy into. They have what strikes me as a less than coherent range having full frame and APS and two different lens mounts with little rhyme or reason I can detect. Mind you I guess you could say the same about a lot of manufacturers. Nikon has two (arguably) or three, Canon three, but there seems more rationale behind these.

Fuji X-A2 is £300 widely, on paper less good but for my money the lower end of a more logical system. As I've said before I got Fuji for just your reasons - size and weight - but now find myself buying into the range in more depth, not just for hiking and skiing.

My bottom line is I cannot see all the current "systems" being financially viable. Samsung seems to have gone west, I'm not sure about Pentax either, either the small or large systems. I think Canon is safe, Nikon pretty safe, M43 safe. The others are all a bit risky longer term, I think. I think you are right about the Nikon 1 system it will always be at a disadvantage because of a very small sensor.

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Don’t by gear on reviews and specs only. Best thing to do test it your self in a store. When buying a camera. What camera ergonomics do you like best. How do you like the menu system, and camera handling. The cameras you mention witch one do you like the most?

I did get a Fujifilm X M1 for a few weeks for testing in Indonesia. And this camera is capable to make stunning photos. Image quality is very good of this camera. Did I miss the viewfinder? Yes… No… only when the sun was on the display it was harder to make a composition. Most of the time this was not a problem. When you need a viewfinder then this camera is not the best choice.


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I just saw a pretty neat deal on the Sony a5100 for 274 gbp with a kit lens. What do you recon?
For rock bottom prices the Sony NEX series has long been the leader. AmazonUK also lists a used Olympus PL5 for £265.00 and a used Panasonic GF6 for £249.99.

Kelly
 
If you are keen on something small, the E-M10 and 2-3 prime lenses is harc to beat.

I love the Fuji X system, but it isn't particularly small unless you go for a fixed lens X100.
 
When I compare it with my old good 5D3's then the X system is small even my Sony a7r II. It is just where you compare it with.

Best thing to do is hand hold some cameras and test them. Witch camera do you like operating and handholding.
 
Thanks for all your great advice! Without it, I might have ended up buying the Nikon j5 and regret it terribly ;)

i ended up by choosing the a5100 for several reasons. I began to look out for the Fujis, but found them a bit more expensive than the general other mirrorless cameras. I hallways have had my second thought about the micro four/thirds system - I read about it first time 5 years ago, but I don't think that they've come far enough regarding how many lenses there are availible, and the adaption of the system. Looking at how fast people have adapted the Sony E-mount, especially with the a7 that I see is an extremely popular camera, I thought it was a relatively safe bet to put my money in that system.

another big issue has been the sensor size. I quickly became aware, that a "standard" sensor size (APS-C for example) was a smart choice.

The electronic viewfinder wasn't something I really would use. Again, I will use my Nikon gear for serious stuff.

Another important feature for me was focus peaking, since I might out a lot of manual lenses on the camera. I know that feature very well from the Sony cameras.

only downside is that I will not have the command dial to choose shooting mode. But shooting in aperture-priority 99% of the time makes it okay easy.

and the a5100 had the ergonomics I was looking for, and was still very small
 

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