O-oh: Samsung NX..end of the line..Sad news.

[Jorginho]

I feel really sad for especially the users of that system. Rumours started to pop up months ago but now it has surfaced in apparantly a trusted Korean Magazine/Newspaper (online) and it is also at mirrorless rumors....That is as close it gets to an official announcement.

I personally wanted Samsung to succeed, to be a viable alternative for all those who simply fancy APS-c and not mFts or FF. And where is Sony A7000 or a new a6100 or so? It seems awfully quiet there too. Now we know Sony said focus is FF, but really nothing special for APS-c.

On the positive side we may conclude that NX series was outcompeted by MFTs and I think especially Sony mirrorless FF. Having said that I think it is not only the fierce competition of other mirrorless cams. I think Samsung have largely got themselves to blame for they simply made some insane choices.

But with less competition it seems the future of mFTs seem a little Rosier, surely if Sony stops APS-c mirrorless development. On the other hand: Canon is looking a bit more serious these days.

The NX sensor is great. I also read Samsung is eagerly looking for interested companies. May be a 4/3 sized one would be nice. Based on DxO it would be still better in that size than any current mFT sensor.

Whatever advantage this may bring to "our" system, I feel sad about it.

 

[ThePalindrome]

If true sad indeed, I liked the NX system and my best friend has a NX300 and a couple of lenses. Their latest sensor is really good, too.

Really Fuji only is left in the APS-C mirrorless market.

 

[Astrotripper]

And where is Sony A7000 or a new a6100 or so?

If you mean a pro-grade APS-C E-mount body, there will be no such thing.

It seems awfully quiet there too. Now we know Sony said focus is FF, but really nothing special for APS-c.

I expect it will stay this way.

On the positive side we may conclude that NX series was outcompeted by MFTs and I think especially Sony mirrorless FF.

Samsung was never relevant in photography. I doubt it had much of an impact on MFT at all. It was always irrelevant and now they simply start to acknowledge that they failed to make it relevant.

Having said that I think it is not only the fierce competition of other mirrorless cams. I think Samsung have largely got themselves to blame for they simply made some insane choices.

Exactly, not wanting to sell their own cameras and lenses is a sure fire way to not sell any of them. And a great way to make people not take them seriously.

But with less competition it seems the future of mFTs seem a little Rosier,

Personally, I don't see it that way. Nobody cares about Samsung, and Olympus needs to compete with much more serious competitors than that. Nothing changes in this regard.

surely if Sony stops APS-c mirrorless development.

They won't stop it. APS-C will be Sony's consumer line (much like APS-C DSLRs are for Nikon, for example). I'm sure they will release new APS-C bodies. But think cheap entry/middle level stuff.

On the other hand: Canon is looking a bit more serious these days.

I must have missed something, then

The NX sensor is great. I also read Samsung is eagerly looking for interested companies. May be a 4/3 sized one would be nice. Based on DxO it would be still better in that size than any current mFT sensor.

Really? Are you sure you looked at the right sensors? Because I just checked, and it's worse or the same than the sensor in E-M5 Mark II in most categories. Despite being BSI and all those fancy tech, it's really nothing special. The only advantage is higher DR at the very lowest sensitivity. That's it.

 

[Spectre38]

I nearly bought into the Samsung NX20 system.

Hopefully the consumers with the cameras will still be able to acquire compatible lenses or adapters over the next 10 years to make their purchase last.

Will Crockett talked me out of the NX20 and into the G6, and it has been a wonderful camera.

Samsung struck me as trying to prevail in photography via the electronics route.

They did have some nice cameras, but everyone seems to appreciate m43 much more. The Lumix G is just such a well rounded camera.

The variety of Olympus and Panasonic Cameras, along with black magic (and others) is really what makes this such an intereesting market. Plus, the Video production cameras that use m43 lenses.

 

[chasfox]

Samsung should have joined m4/3 rather then developing there own mount etc.

 

[Miron09]

all be done by idap/iphone, or other little boxes. With my Oly kit I feel like a dynasore

 

[Fri13]

IMHO, now is time to look good deals with the NX1. Even when it is now unofficially dead system, it still had few good objectives and the NX1 body was good for some people.

But one reason why Samsung drops of is all the "FF this" and "FF that" people.

 

[Old Listener]

It is just a rumor. The Google translation people are reading is not great. Give it a few weeks.

 

[BostonC]

Had a long discussion a month ago http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3904051

Then Samsung came out w a typically ambiguous denial without denying.This time it looks real, as the paper is a serious business news agency.

I wish Samsung sells the 28mp BSI sensor, cut the waffle to the 4/3 size, as a superior 20mp M43 sensor. And it has PDAF too. That'd make a great choice for EM1 II. And Samsung can recuperate more of its investment.

 

[Jorginho]

Had a long discussion a month ago http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3904051

Then Samsung came out w a typically ambiguous denial without denying.This time it looks real, as the paper is a serious business news agency.

I wish Samsung sells the 28mp BSI sensor, cut the waffle to the 4/3 size, as a superior 20mp M43 sensor.

225/365 * 28 = 17 MP.

And it has PDAF too. That'd make a great choice for EM1 II. And Samsung can recuperate more of its investment.

I hop ethe tech will be used and I am quite convinced it will actually most of all because I already read that Samsung is exactly going that route.

 

[Louis_Dobson]

As far as I am concerned high DR at the lowest sensitivity is all I care about in a sensor.

APS-C is a stupid format for the "semi pro" these days. If you need small, go MFT, if size doesn't matter go FF, it's cheap enough now. APS-C is neither fish nor fowl.

Astrotripper wrote:

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The NX sensor is great. I also read Samsung is eagerly looking for interested companies. May be a 4/3 sized one would be nice. Based on DxO it would be still better in that size than any current mFT sensor.

Really? Are you sure you looked at the right sensors? Because I just checked, and it's worse or the same than the sensor in E-M5 Mark II in most categories. Despite being BSI and all those fancy tech, it's really nothing special. The only advantage is higher DR at the very lowest sensitivity. That's it.

 

[jim stirling]

I feel really sad for especially the users of that system. Rumours started to pop up months ago but now it has surfaced in apparantly a trusted Korean Magazine/Newspaper (online) and it is also at mirrorless rumors....That is as close it gets to an official announcement.
I personally wanted Samsung to succeed, to be a viable alternative for all those who simply fancy APS-c and not mFts or FF. And where is Sony A7000 or a new a6100 or so? It seems awfully quiet there too. Now we know Sony said focus is FF, but really nothing special for APS-c.

On the positive side we may conclude that NX series was outcompeted by MFTs and I think especially Sony mirrorless FF. Having said that I think it is not only the fierce competition of other mirrorless cams. I think Samsung have largely got themselves to blame for they simply made some insane choices.

But with less competition it seems the future of mFTs seem a little Rosier, surely if Sony stops APS-c mirrorless development. On the other hand: Canon is looking a bit more serious these days.

The NX sensor is great. I also read Samsung is eagerly looking for interested companies. May be a 4/3 sized one would be nice. Based on DxO it would be still better in that size than any current mFT sensor.

Whatever advantage this may bring to "our" system, I feel sad about it.

I don't know much about Samsung the NX1 looks to be an excellent camera. It seems to be an unusual time to decide to discontinue the system when they have finally managed to design a sensor that can compete with the best from Sony. Also producing a high grade APS mirrorless camera, with all the bells and whistles. If the rumour is correct it does seem a bit of a surprise. Considering how much the Olympus camera division has lost in the past decade it is fortunate for us that Olympus have a bit more willingness to support their cameras.

Samsung is making a billion dollars {US} a month profit. You would think that they could give it a go for a while longer. I guess that is why they are making a billion dollars a month profit , no tolerance for deadwood

 

[brianric]

As far as I am concerned high DR at the lowest sensitivity is all I care about in a sensor.
APS-C is a stupid format for the "semi pro" these days. If you need small, go MFT, if size doesn't matter go FF, it's cheap enough now. APS-C is neither fish nor fowl.

APS-C came about when digital first started making it's appearance. Canikon saw the writing on the wall, unlike Kodak, and pushed the APC-C format to protect their extensive line of lenses. At that time it was very cost prohibitive for a full frame sensor. If 35 mm never existed digital probably would have developed with a much smaller sensor.

 

[Louis_Dobson]

Back then, APS-C was the best solution for the committed.

As far as I am concerned high DR at the lowest sensitivity is all I care about in a sensor.
APS-C is a stupid format for the "semi pro" these days. If you need small, go MFT, if size doesn't matter go FF, it's cheap enough now. APS-C is neither fish nor fowl.

APS-C came about when digital first started making it's appearance. Canikon saw the writing on the wall, unlike Kodak, and pushed the APC-C format to protect their extensive line of lenses. At that time it was very cost prohibitive for a full frame sensor. If 35 mm never existed digital probably would have developed with a much smaller sensor.

 

[OzRay]

Sometimes these things become self-perpetuating. The rumour that started a while back may well have had many people take pause about buying Samsung cameras, which would have affected potentially existing low sales, making things worse and thus putting the nail in the coffin of the system.

Samsung has been suffering already with their mobile phone and tablet lines, which are far more important to them, so with no real skin in the camera game, letting the cameras go is probably an easy decision. There's no point in throwing good money after bad.

 

[jim stirling]

Really? Are you sure you looked at the right sensors? Because I just checked, and it's worse or the same than the sensor in E-M5 Mark II in most categories. Despite being BSI and all those fancy tech, it's really nothing special. The only advantage is higher DR at the very lowest sensitivity. That's it.

Are you sure you looked at the right comparison ? . The NX1 is better than the E-M511 In every single category that matters significantly so with regards to low ISO DR .It also has the advantage of having 28mp to play with when you look at like for like output . If you are basing your opinion on the DXO charts if you look a little closer you will find that they do not correlate with the overall scores so something has gone wrong somewhere.

Look at the RAW samples provide by our beloved DPreview and the advantages of the NX1 are clear.

NX1 resoloution advantge low ISO:





NX1 shadow noise advantage :





NXI high ISO advantge : 3200 ISO

 

[Jorginho]

If true it is also their own fault not to reply in one very clear way. Not some half hearted one.

 

[dholt]

Really Fuji only is left in the APS-C mirrorless market.

Pentax too.

 

[apathyman]

Really Fuji only is left in the APS-C mirrorless market.

Pentax too.

I wish.

The K-01 was a 'one-off' and a poorly thought out one at that. I'd love to see Ricoh/Pentax develop a competitive, large sensor mirrorless but they seem welded to the DSLR. Even the small sensor Q series seems to be in the doldrums.

Cheers

Brian

 

[jim stirling]

already with their mobile phone and tablet lines, which are far more important to them, so with no real skin in the camera game, letting the cameras go is probably an easy decision. There's no point in throwing good money after bad.

As an Olympus fan and user you should be grateful that financial considerations did not come into Olympus thinking as their camera divison has lost a fortune in the last decade . Any normal business would have shut down the camera line years ago.