Binoculars for Bird photographer (using camera)

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I'm confused on which Binocular would suit my need. I do bird photography using my Tamron 150-600mm lens but I think I need a binocular just to support me in the field. I'm not talking about photographing through binoculars, just using binoculars to scout the area when looking for birds or when waiting for a bird perched faraway to come closer or just to observe the bird movements for few mins to choose the right spot to photograph them. Sometimes i do take the field trips with birders (who use binoculars) to learn a thing or two about the birds mainly to support my photography.

I read the bino buying guide and it says to get the wider field of view (7x42) but will that be same as me looking through my 600mm lens? If so, I don't need one and just use my lens to see instead.

Any idea what the binocular rating like 7x43 or 16x 32's equivalent lens mm (800mm, 1600mm?)

Advice on what number binocular I should look for?

Any model suggestions?
 
I'm confused on which Binocular would suit my need. I do bird photography using my Tamron 150-600mm lens but I think I need a binocular just to support me in the field. I'm not talking about photographing through binoculars, just using binoculars to scout the area when looking for birds or when waiting for a bird perched faraway to come closer or just to observe the bird movements for few mins to choose the right spot to photograph them. Sometimes i do take the field trips with birders (who use binoculars) to learn a thing or two about the birds mainly to support my photography.

I read the bino buying guide and it says to get the wider field of view (7x42) but will that be same as me looking through my 600mm lens? If so, I don't need one and just use my lens to see instead.

Any idea what the binocular rating like 7x43 or 16x 32's equivalent lens mm (800mm, 1600mm?)

Advice on what number binocular I should look for?

Any model suggestions?
For most birders the choice between their binoculars or their wife is easy. Goodbye girl... ;-)

Or the other way around, because all sexes are equal. And as in marriage, it's all personal.

First, field of view. On binocular sites it is made important but that's not totally correct. I don't care, working with a 10x42 and a 8x20. The field of view will always be larger than looking through a 600mm lens. But you can't compare the two. A lot of time binoculars are used for scanning. This works with an 8x20 (not for all), try this with a 600mm and you need an eyebath at the end of the day.

Watching in the dark is a hot issue. But the difference between a 7x50 and a 10x42 (or even 8x25) is, let's say, half an hour at sunset. And you have to carry that big one all day. But again, this is personal and depending on your style of birding. Looking for owls, don't hesitate and buy a nightwatcher.

More important, having a big lens, are you willing to carry extra weight? If not, the smaller 8x20's are nice, choose the big three: Leica, Swarovski and Zeiss (in alphabetical order, no animals may be harmed during this discussion). But if you don't need maximum resolution to the edges, other brands are fine. A very good lightweight alternative, with the best of both worlds, is the Swarovski 8x25. They also have the 8x30 but it is quite expensive. Being in this price-range, I would look for the best ones.

Normally, for serious birdwatching, a 8x32 or 10x42 is the best choice. In forests 8x is more than enough, in the open field a 10x performs better. You need a steady hand for the 10x binoculars because watching can be a bit 'nervous', but that's also personal. A 7x42 is quite heavy and misses reach. Don't look at 12x60, unless you want to use a tripod. Some powerlifters can handle such a beast though. Once I saw a small girl with a 12x60. Sold by a (...) shopkeeper. She was really suffering.

Talking about reach, an 8x binocular can be compared to a 400mm lens, but it does not feel that way. Looking through good binoculars is relaxed.

There is much more to say about binoculars, but it's a start.
 
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The top of the line Pentax are somewhat less expensive than the 3 Euros mentioned and are equal to them.
Yes there are other options, a bit depending on where you live.

For instance, here it is difficult to get good Nikons. And Kowa and Pentax are positioned as cheap brands, don't know why. You will not see their best binoculars in the field.

In Western Europe most (hardcore) birdwatchers work with Zeiss, Swarovski and Leica. I forgot that they may be even more expensive in the USA.
 
What you'll read online is that 400mm is the same as 8x binoculars. I have not found this to be the case, but my camera has a viewfinder that's on the small side, which may contribute. With that in mind, I have found that in practice, 8x40 will get me a small but significant range boost over the T3+400mm. The binoculars have a much wider field of view which is useful for locating things, and they have much more depth of field, which is also great for scanning, particularly when looking for distant flying birds.

That being said, I will often leave the binoculars at home if I'll be doing a lot of walking, since the 400mm gets me most of the way there and it is significantly more weight to carry both. I've tried a pretty decent pair of 8x32 binoculars that was very lightweight and compact, though, and I may purchase one of those in the future.

As has been mentioned before, I probably wouldn't bother with anything higher than 10x power. I have genetically shaky hands and even 8s are pretty shaky for me. On the other hand, most binoculars do have a 1/4-20 thread on them (usually it's hidden behind the name badge on the center hinge), and if used with a simple adapter and a monopod, they can become much more stable. If you already carry a monopod or something like that, you may consider stronger power. Your best bet will be to go to a store that sells them and try a couple different varieties.

At my old job I sold binoculars, mostly to older customers. Most were happier with an 8x42 than a 10x42 or a 10x50.
 
Others had great comments! Spending the money on good glass works for binoculars as well as lens).

Add Nikon EDG to list of best binoculars available. I ended up choosing them over others mentioned (although I still hope to pick up 10x42 Zeiss Victory someday).

Might check following as I dont think they have any bias.

 
I can tell you my experience with two pair of Swarovski binoculars. First I bought a 10x40 SLC for my birthday. It is so good my wife wanted one too. So after some reading, we decided to get her a pair of Swarovski 10x32 EL. They both cost about the same (~$2100 each). The EL is smaller (better suited for a woman), about half the weight of the SLC. Amazingly, it's about as bright as the SLC (totally against physics), and better edge sharpness. I can tell you, 1) A good pair of binoculars is invaluable for a birder. You will see sooo much more you will otherwise never see. I know the Swarovski is expensive, but it will be the last pair you buy, and great pleasure to use everytime. 2) Long lens (I use Nikon 80-400 mm VR G for birds) is no replacement for binoculars. To find a bird in camera is always a challenge, never mind getting a decent picture. To see birds in a good pair of binoculars is pure pleasure. 3) Don't buy cheap and think it's good enough. I had Bushnell (in grad school), Nikon binoculars before. Compare with Swarovski, they are like regular res TV vs HD TV.
 
I don’t know if this will really address your question exactly but I will share my experience anyway and maybe someone will find it useful. Personally I use binoculars mainly from my car where it isn’t so convenient to lift up my big camera/lens so I am not as concerned about weight and size. I mainly use it to check what distant birds are from the car to see if it is something I need to try to get closer to. I ended up buying some inexpensive Nikon 8x42’s and I have been very happy with them. They stay in the car all the time so that was another reason for not wanting to go with something expensive.

When I am out walking around with my camera I find that I can usually do better just snapping a photo of whatever it is I want to identify and use the screen on the camera to zoom in for more detail. In my experience this does even better than looking through 10x binoculars (I carry a 500mm f/4 lens most of the time). Personally my camera gear is heavy enough to carry around without the binoculars so just taking a picture and zooming in is my method of choice. I do have a friend who uses a small pair of Pentax 8x25 binoculars that are small and light and have good eye relief which makes them easy to use with glasses. The price for them was around $100 and they are good for ID.

Certainly Zeiss or Swarovski’s are great but they tend to be expensive and in my opinion overkill if your main objective is taking photos.

Greg
 
Thanks for sharing, I enjoyed reading about your experience. There are a couple of things I would add. Swarovski’s are definitely a pleasure to look though and they are definitely a top quality product. In most conditions they probably will be the last binoculars you will buy but I have seen them and pretty much every other brand get ruined in the tropics. On my last trip to the Amazon (a week ago) I actually brought back a pair of high end Leica’s to a friend who lives in Peru who had to get the fungus cleaned out of them. It is amazing what the rain forest can do to optics.

I would also encourage anyone who is considering buying a high end pair of binoculars to try them out side by side with the competitors before making the purchase. There is so much personal preference in binoculars it is really worth it in my experience. Birding festivals are great for doing this as dealers usually have booths with a great selection of optics that you can try out.

Greg
 
Well, you said you have a 150-600 mm zoom. That's roughly the same as a 3-12 x zoom binocular. Actually it's probably a bit less, depending on your camera viewfinder, but you get the idea. It's actually quite a bit more capable than binoculars in that way. On the other hand, your viewfinder has a ground glass or, which degrades the image, and you don't get the whole lens circle -- you have to look through a rectangle, which limits the field of view. But on the plus side, your camera may be on a tripod or may have image stabilization, which you are less likely to have with binoculars.

I would say, you should just try it. You may like using just the camera. Most people don't do that, but maybe it will work.

You mentioned the binocular specs. and the field of view. 7x35, for example, means a magnification of 7 and a 35 mm diameter. The field of view is listed separately. 7x50 binoculars would be better for low light, but they would be bigger and heavier. The 7x50s tend to have a better image but smaller field of view, and may not focus as closely--but that's just a generalization.
 
Thanks for sharing, I enjoyed reading about your experience. There are a couple of things I would add. Swarovski’s are definitely a pleasure to look though and they are definitely a top quality product. In most conditions they probably will be the last binoculars you will buy but I have seen them and pretty much every other brand get ruined in the tropics. On my last trip to the Amazon (a week ago) I actually brought back a pair of high end Leica’s to a friend who lives in Peru who had to get the fungus cleaned out of them. It is amazing what the rain forest can do to optics.

I would also encourage anyone who is considering buying a high end pair of binoculars to try them out side by side with the competitors before making the purchase. There is so much personal preference in binoculars it is really worth it in my experience. Birding festivals are great for doing this as dealers usually have booths with a great selection of optics that you can try out.

Greg
Thanks for the advise on the rain forest. We have been to south, central America, Borneo a few times, but we don't live there. We go there for two, three weeks most, come back, everything goes to air conditioned house. But still, while in rain forest, I tried to wipe out water when they get wet, put them in a dry bag with some silicon packs over night. With some good luck, and lots of care, we have been lucky not got hit by fungus on our optics yet (fingers crossed). But I have seen some ugly fungus infestation, and know what damage they can do.

Good advise on trying out binoculars before you buy. It's like choose a spouse, to a degree. You have to be comfortable with your binoc, because it could be a life-long bond.
 
I agree that customer service and warranty is usually pretty good when you buy a high end brand like Zeiss or Leica but I know personally of two cases where it wasn’t as simple as a lifetime warranty where everything was just covered. One was this case where Leica did cover the parts but charged for the labor (which wasn’t cheap). The other was similar where they basically refurbished a very worn pair of 7 year old binoculars for a few hundred dollars.

It would very much be worth confirming what exactly the warranty is when purchasing before shelling out the cash.

Greg
 
Like you I frequently visit tropical rain forests but it is mostly for 2 or 3 weeks at a time. So far none of my optics has developed fungus. Fingers crossed as well!

Greg
 
Very interesting to read everyone's view. I will consider a lightweight bino as the lens itself is a bulk that I struggle to lug it with me for extended periods of time.

Thanks all
 
I have an old pair of Swift Saratoga 8x40 binos {great quality}, which I haven't used for about 35 years, as I have much preferred to use a section from an old broken pair of pocket sized 8x21 binos instead....as a monocular {using the barrel with the independent focusing section, obviously}.

This has served me well, and being so small {fits in a small shirt/jacket/coat pocket etc}, is always with me 24/7.

Obviously this is not ideal for birding, bit I find it to be excellent for my bird photography purposes exclusively.

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I have an old pair of Swift Saratoga 8x40 binos {great quality}, which I haven't used for about 35 years, as I have much preferred to use a section from a broken pair of pocket sized 8x21 binos instead....as a monocular {using the barrel with the independent focusing section, obviously}.

This has served me well, and being so small {fits in a small shirt/jacket/coat pocket etc}, is always with me 24/7.

Obviously this is not ideal for birding, bit I find it to be excellent for my bird photography purposes exclusively.

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In fact porro prism binoculars like this are great for birding. The reasons you don't see them often is that they are relatively vulnerable and big compared to roof prism binoculars. They are also not waterproof. And they don't look very 'modern'...

I've had porro's in the past, heavy beasts but excellent.



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Yep, they are ugly old things!

I would have replaced it with a modern version long ago, but find the monocular option ideal for me...overall.

I do keep the Swift bino's by a window that overlooks my garden....but that has been the extent of their use for decades.
 
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