Should I get a camcorder ? If yes which one?

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Hi,

I am looking for getting something to record my travels. I have never done videos of my travels before, but I would like to do that now with family. I am now traveling to Bhutan next week and was looking at buying a decent video recorder.

I am a complete beginner, so I am not sure what I want. I could shot the videos with my smartphone, but I am looking for a dedicated video camera, and plan to make good vacation videos, I see most of the videos on camcorders are shaky, is this true? how much of it can be edited in post?

As I said I am completely new to video, I do a lil bit of Photography. All suggestions would be helpful.

Regards,

Bonny
 
Hi!

How much do you want to spend? A Gopro might be the solution, but then you'll have to deal with the fisheye distortion. How shaky a video looks is up to how the camera was operated, but mostly comes from phones and cameras with no stabilization. If your camera has it, chances are your footage will look mostly smooth.

I would actually suggest a rugged compact camera, considering where you're going. for the same price, any type of compact will usually have similar or better video quality, camcorders might only have a few extra features and th ability to film for longer than 30min (If you need that, definitely get a camcorder).
 
I am a complete beginner, so I am not sure what I want.
In that case, I think the best thing to do would be to carry on doing some further research on your own, and trying to figure out what is it that you really want first, before rushing into any particular camera or even camera type. Don't do research on cameras only, start studying the basics of videography as much as you can, too.

Since you're a beginner and you don't yet know what you like and don't like, it doesn't really matter which brand or model camera you go for, as long as you don't invest all your money in it.

The only effective way to find out is to start with something and go from there. Learn in practise. After a while you'll figure out what floats your boat, so to speak. Confidence comes with experience.

Your current questions in the header are a bit too generic, subjective and matters of taste, so no one can really give you a good answer to them yet.

So I'd suggest just do some more research, look into camcorders, compact cameras that can do video and maybe even hybrid interchangeable lens cameras, too. But don't obsess about the gear alone, look for video shooting tutorials, too, just to get an idea about shooting video in general.

Go to a place where you can try the cameras that interest you in your own hand, maybe even rent them for a weekend, and pick something that feels 'right' in your hand and fits in your budget. Then, just start using it and practising with, hopefully well before your actual travel adventure.

Don't buy the priciest camera you can find yet, because more likely than not your taste and needs for a camera will change rather quickly during the first year or so, along with your growing experience. You learn to know what you like and need as you keep on shooting.

A camcorder would probably be an easily approachable way to start, but the idea mentioned above about a compact that can do video for a travel camera is not bad at all, either. There are also some pretty handy mirrorless cameras that could handle both photos and video, but the point is, you need to first figure out what kind of camera you're most drawn to.

The downside with a compact camera is the same as that with a smartphone, the fixed focal length lens. If you want to zoom, you need to use sneakerzoom. Which is not necessarily bad at all, depending on one's perspective. The upside is the compact size. Someone else might prefer the long-ish zoom lens of a typical camcorder, though. That's just one example of the things you need to figure out yourself first.

Your needs, your personal preferences, your wallet, your decision.
I see most of the videos on camcorders are shaky, is this true?
Nope. Cameras aren't shaky. People holding them are.
how much of it can be edited in post?
Some of it can be reduced, but the problem with the digital/software image stabilisation apps is that they don't really remove all the shake, they sort of bake some of it into the picture. Which looks and feels a bit like watching the scene drunk, or in a bad hangover. Doing the wibbly-wobbly walk. Sometimes it's obvious, like straight lines wobbling like jello, sometimes it's more subtle, yet still unpleasant.

A much better (and cheaper) solution is to eliminate the excess shake beforehand, by practising steady shooting and by using shooting aids like monopods, tripods and such.

Sometimes the difference between ugly, shaky, unbearable video and a tolerable, nice looking handheld video is your posture and your way of holding the camera. Being proactive rather than reactive when shooting. Using enough points of contacts when shooting rather than holding it in the kind of prayer/smartphone mode, using trees, lamp posts, railings etc. to give you extra support, and so on.

It's a matter of practise and being resourceful, which won't cost you anytying. Watch some well made documentaries in TV, for example, and visualise yourself shooting them. Try replicating that in your practise shoots. Without buying any extra gear. Just as an example.

That works with any camera, whether it has any IBIS or BOSS or whatever fancy letter combination pasted on it.

It's not about the gear. It's about how you're using it.
 
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I am a complete beginner, so I am not sure what I want.
In that case, I think the best thing to do would be to carry on doing some further research on your own, and trying to figure out what is it that you really want first, before rushing into any particular camera or even camera type. Don't do research on cameras only, start studying the basics of videography as much as you can, too.
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Your current questions in the header are a bit too generic, subjective and matters of taste, so no one can really give you a good answer to them yet.
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The downside with a compact camera is the same as that with a smartphone, the fixed focal length lens.
Umm, no, compact cameras mostly have zoom lenses. The fancier ones may have smaller zoom ranges, though.
I see most of the videos on camcorders are shaky, is this true?
Nope. Cameras aren't shaky. People holding them are.
Yes, technique matters if you want to make something that is nice to watch. And learning to hold the camera steady - unless you have a deliberate intention not to - is a big part of that.

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A much better (and cheaper) solution is to eliminate the excess shake beforehand, by practising steady shooting and by using shooting aids like monopods, tripods and such.

Sometimes the difference between ugly, shaky, unbearable video and a tolerable, nice looking handheld video is your posture and your way of holding the camera. Being proactive rather than reactive when shooting. Using enough points of contacts when shooting rather than holding it in the kind of prayer/smartphone mode, using trees, lamp posts, railings etc. to give you extra support, and so on.
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It's not about the gear. It's about how you're using it.
Yup.

This DPR thread might be a bit helpful.

But it doesn't consider sound - which can often be more important than the video.
 
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All the suggestions so far have been good.

I like my sony handicam. The one I have is a few years old, and the newer ones are even better. The “BOSS” optical stabilization is a big help. I also feel the sound recording is good (although for school plays or church events I frequently attach another microphone). We never use the built in projector, so for me it was an unnecessary expense.

For editing I use Adobe Elements, but Adobe is falling behind the other consumer editors by not using a computer’s video card to help render the final product. After I edit to a 70 minute project to fill a DVD, the rendering can run 18 hours. Maybe the next version they release will use the video card. As mentioned before, I find that trying to fix shaky video in post-production is frustrating. It takes way too long, and too much computer power. But maybe other editors are better at shake reduction than the one I have.
 
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The point of this being..?

Just cut the excess lard you don't wish to see in your response. Unless it was meant as a "subtle" hint about long posts...
Umm, no, compact cameras mostly have zoom lenses. The fancier ones may have smaller zoom ranges, though.
Well, that's true, but I was thinking about the kind of rugged compact mentioned in the first reply.

Sorry about missing a clarifying word, but I think the point is still valid even with small zoom compacts. Dispite the zoom lens in many/most compacts, the compacts and camcorders are significantly different, and the compacts are kind of closer to a smartphone in their behaviour and usability than camcorders are. That's another key point in choosing the right type of camera when one is just starting out.
 
Hi,

I am looking for getting something to record my travels. I have never done videos of my travels before, but I would like to do that now with family. I am now traveling to Bhutan next week and was looking at buying a decent video recorder.

I am a complete beginner, so I am not sure what I want. I could shot the videos with my smartphone, but I am looking for a dedicated video camera, and plan to make good vacation videos, I see most of the videos on camcorders are shaky, is this true? how much of it can be edited in post?

As I said I am completely new to video, I do a lil bit of Photography. All suggestions would be helpful.

Regards,

Bonny
Well Bonny, not sure what to tell you regarding video camcorders other than what others have suggested.

But if I may add. You mentioned that you have done a bit of photography; so are you planning on taking still images along with video, or are you strictly staying with video? If you are staying with video, I can only recommend the Sony FDR-AX33 as it's the only camcorder I have knowledge on. But perhaps it's best if I leave any advice on dedicated video cams to the others who are more savvy than me.

If you are planning on taking both stills and video, then perhaps a dual purpose camera like the Sony DSC-RX100 IV might work for you. It takes awesome stills and video, and what's very nice about it, is that it's small and light to carry around. If I'm on vacation and planning on walking around sight seeing most of the day, the last thing I want to do is carry around larger cameras that can feel like boat anchors after awhile. A good rule of thumb, in this case, would be to keep what you are carrying small and light. Just food for thought.
 
The point of this being..?

Just cut the excess lard you don't wish to see in your response. Unless it was meant as a "subtle" hint about long posts...
No offence intended. I just wanted to emphasise some parts of your post. I agree with essentially everything you wrote. If we're going to have an argument, can we have it about something we disagree about ? :-)
Umm, no, compact cameras mostly have zoom lenses. The fancier ones may have smaller zoom ranges, though.
Well, that's true, but I was thinking about the kind of rugged compact mentioned in the first reply.
OK, I understand.
 
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Hi,

I am looking for getting something to record my travels. I have never done videos of my travels before, but I would like to do that now with family. I am now traveling to Bhutan next week and was looking at buying a decent video recorder.

I am a complete beginner, so I am not sure what I want. I could shot the videos with my smartphone, but I am looking for a dedicated video camera, and plan to make good vacation videos, I see most of the videos on camcorders are shaky, is this true? how much of it can be edited in post?

As I said I am completely new to video, I do a lil bit of Photography. All suggestions would be helpful.
From your previous posts, you seem to have had a 70D, but have replaced that with a Sony A7 II about a month ago ?
I am now traveling to Bhutan next week and was looking at buying a decent video recorder.
Missed that bit.

Oh dear.

And you want some new kit for this trip ?!?

You're going to learn to use this new kit - err - how ??

Have you learnt your way round your new Sony yet ?
I see most of the videos on camcorders are shaky, is this true?
Yes, most videos shot on camcorders, smartphones, compact cameras, and DSLRs are shaky.

Because many folk wave the camera around and expect it to magically record what they'd like it to record.

The A7 II seems to be able to shoot good video.

Just learn how the Sony works.

Mostly, learn how to hold it still, as eFilm said. Or put it on a tripod. Stop down - use lots of depth of field - to make life easier for yourself.

Practice before you travel, if you care what the video will turn out like.

When you've learnt how to shoot half-decent video on the A7, you'll have learnt some of it's limitations. Then you might have some idea if a camcorder would help.
 
I have one of the R series Canon camcorders that can be bought in the $200 price range. A very good value in my opinion. The camcorder is small and light and produces fairly good HD videos, but not as sharp as my M41. On a 55 in TV, I can tell the difference but on a 42 in. the difference in video shot in good light is not significant overall. I do produce Bluray HD disks. Forget about DVD. Sharpness does fall off at the extremes of the zoom range, and some support is necessary to avoid shake, but the extreme zoom is plenty of telephoto for $200+. The m41 has a larger, low pixel sensor and less zoom. Better video in low light and less shake. Both have digital as well as optional optical image stabilization. Digital is just not enough except at short zoom ranges.

Greg
 
I see most of the videos on camcorders are shaky, is this true? how much of it can be edited in post?
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Actually, just the opposite of what you say here is true. Camcorders tend to generally have better image stabilization in them than still cameras that shoot video have. So assuming that you are not comparing other videos that may have been shot on a tripod, video from a camcorder will usually be smoother than from a DSLR or mirrorless still camera. Now, this is is a general statement, and there are exceptions, especially when one gets into expensive cameras.

Still, it is a bit difficult to understand how you could get such a misimpression. Camcorders typically do have a far greater zoom range. And the more telephoto a video is shot, the more shakier it will be. But that is not the fault of the camcorder. It is caused by using really high magnification in your shot.
As I said I am completely new to video, I do a lil bit of Photography. All suggestions would be helpful.
In that case, you need to do a lot of studying on the subject of videography. Some factors from photography still hold true and work the same. But there are many additional things to learn and understand, in order to shoot good video.

There is no substitute for gaining skill and knowledge. That is essential, no matter what you use to shoot your video.

You don't really provide much in the way of details about your needs. So it will be difficult for people to give you recommendations. What is your budget for a new camcorder or camera? Will you be bringing a still camera with you as well? If so, what kind of camera?

Are you open to the idea of buying a hybrid camera that can also shoot good video as well as stills, so that you can simply take one camera with you?

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No offence intended.
None taken.
I just wanted to emphasise some parts of your post.
Okay. The meaning of the brackets wasn't instantly obvious to me, so I asked.
If we're going to have an argument, can we have it about something we disagree about ? :-)
Nah, I'm not that easily (nevermind automatically) offended. I was just curious, as the brackets looked a bit confusing to me.

Also the comment was indeed sorta long. Way too long for a topic like this, at least in most cases. Even though I do still stand behind what I said.
Umm, no, compact cameras mostly have zoom lenses. The fancier ones may have smaller zoom ranges, though.
Well, that's true, but I was thinking about the kind of rugged compact mentioned in the first reply.
OK, I understand.
Yeah, and given the fact that the OP was asking about new camera purchase advice only a week before a major shooting trip, with very little or no prior experience, I think such a simple rugged p&s, along with the existing smartphone, is probably a feasible and reasonable suggestion. The camera won't even have a hiccup during tropical storms sand and such, nor does it take much more practising than a smartphone.

Anyway, good luck for the trip to the OP, whatever the camera companion ends up being.
 
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Get the tool that best suits what you want to do. If you are mostly or only interested in video, then the camcorder would be the way to go. If you intend to take a number of stills as well, then a digital camera with video capability is likely a better option. If redundancy is desired (electronic devices do break down from time to time) perhaps get one of each. And don't forget to get and bring along extra batteries and memory cards.

I have owned two camcorders. I have not used my HD camcorder for a couple of years because I prefer to carry and use one device rather than two. I have been doing most of my video shooting with a Nikon V1 mirrorless camera. The quality of video from the V1 can be very good, but I have two issues with the camera. One is that the focus often "pumps" in and out for no apparent reason, even in good light. Two, the image stabilization (in-lens optical stabilization) does not seem to be as good as what I have gotten from my camcorders. I can mitigate the first problem by setting the AF to lock into the distance when each video clip starts. This might be a problem if the distance of the subject changes.

If you decide to get a digicam some good choices would be the Olympus E-M5 II, E-M10 II (which are supposed to have the best IS for video that can be gotten these days from "stills" cameras), the Sony RX10 II, and the Panasonic FX1000. Rugged/waterproof cameras like Olympus' TG-4 are worth considering if you expect to deal with nasty weather conditions.

If you decide to get a camcorder get one with a decent zoom range (10x) and a fairly wide minimum focal length.

Good luck with making a choice.
 
When I travel, I take my GH4. For my use, it is a lot better than a PalmCorder.

A Pro CamCorder such as the FS7 can be a lot better but big, intrusive, and expensive.

The GH4, extra battery, charger, and several lens fits in my smallest camera bag.
 

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