Which Mirror-less systems Camera should i buy?

[dmitriyvan]

I need help deciding which camera to buy. Im a beginner, I previously owned a Canon EOS Rebel XSI, until it broke. Know I want a mirrorless systems camera. DSLR's are too big, and i want a camera for personal use. Mainly i will use it for landscape/nature photography, as well as everyday use. I want a camera that has good picture quality and that i can keep for several years to come. My budget is $500-$650 (lens included)

So far, i have looked at:

Olympus OM-D E-M10

Sony A6000

Fujifilm X-E1 & X-E2

Nikon J5

Samsung NX500

I just cant decide. Any input or suggestions will be helpful.

 

[Joseph T Lewis III]

If you want really long focal lengths Nikon 1.

If you want general photography and usually use focal lengths between 50mm and 300mm, the Micro Four Thirds.

The APS mirrorless systems are only small if you use wide angle to around 60mm lenses. They don't buy you noticeably better IQ either (Pixel peepers, and brand fans will fight that).

I assume you mean FF equivalent focal lengths

Having said that: Micro Four Thirds makes a LOT of good lenses with equiv focal lengths less than 50mm, and a few greater than 300mm (ff equiv). So, I don't understand your statement. Could you please clarify your remark?

To the OP: go to the Lens Feature Search under "Lenses" at the top of the DPR menu, and have it display all the M4/3 lenses. Take a look at them, and see which ones you might like. Keep in mind that the m4/3 crop factor is 2X, so any focal length should be multiplied by two to give the equivalent full frame value. You will see that there are many lenses to choose from, ranging from very small wide angle primes to telephoto zooms with ff equivalent focal lengths of 600mm.

 

[Astrotripper]

The budget is just for now, i would plan to aquire more lenses some time after i purchase the camera.

Than you probably should look at the current lens selection and future developments for each system. That pretty much leaves you with Micro 4/3 or Fuji X, unless Sony E already has all the lenses you will ever need (as there will be no more of them coming).

 

[MediaArchivist]

...unless Sony E already has all the lenses you will ever need (as there will be no more of them coming).

I am quite certain that is incorrect. There will be plenty of new E mount lenses released by Sony and others.

 

[Pantyhose Bandit]

By then, it will be half the current price or less. Less if you get it secondhand. I'm almost tempted to say XYZ canon and to go for the 1 system myself.

 

[Astrotripper]

...unless Sony E already has all the lenses you will ever need (as there will be no more of them coming).

I am quite certain that is incorrect. There will be plenty of new E mount lenses released by Sony and others.

But you're talking about FE lenses. Which I'm pretty sure is well outside the area of interest of OP.

The last E lens released by Sony was almost two years ago. Fuji has built a pretty decent system in that time, Olympus launched their PRO lens line (4 lenses so far, with fifth coming in a few months), Panasonic also released some interesting lenses and just announced that another two are in the pipeline.

In this time, Sony released 2 wide-angle converters for E users. Let's not kid ourselves, FE is where Sony puts all of its effort and the lenses that will be coming in foreseeable future will be FE lenses. Maybe once FE is nicely fleshed out, they will tend more to APS-C users, but we'll see about that.

 

[MediaArchivist]

...unless Sony E already has all the lenses you will ever need (as there will be no more of them coming).

I am quite certain that is incorrect. There will be plenty of new E mount lenses released by Sony and others.

But you're talking about FE lenses.

I am talking about E mount lenses, lenses that will work on an E mount camera.

Which I'm pretty sure is well outside the area of interest of OP.

"Well outside"? I am not sure about that at all.

 

[Dr JLW]

I have the SEL 1018 on my Nex and I really like it.

I have also used some of my vintage glass, including a a 14mm/3.5 Sigma with the Zhongyi Nex adaptor with decent results. This is not a particularly saorp lens but my vintage 20mm Nikkor worked well with it too.

One option of the OP is to get an APS mirrorless and adapt vintage full frame glass using focal reducing adapters and pick up a stop speed increase. There are a lot of vintage Canon FD and Nikon Ai and AiS lenses made by Nikon and other good makers that are very reasonable in cost and very good performers. For the wide glass focus, is not critical nor is stabilization; both of which are unavailable via the adapters. These may be good options for landscape.

 

[Astrotripper]

...unless Sony E already has all the lenses you will ever need (as there will be no more of them coming).

I am quite certain that is incorrect. There will be plenty of new E mount lenses released by Sony and others.

But you're talking about FE lenses.

I am talking about E mount lenses, lenses that will work on an E mount camera.

But you are well aware that there are two formats using that mount, and that there are two types of lenses designed for it. Not sure what you're trying to gain pretending it's not the case.

And what's the point of buying a small, cheap APS-C body, if you're going to have to rely on big, heavy and expensive Full-Frame lenses to get by?

I mean, not that you can't do that. You can, why not, I guess some FE lenses might even make sense on APS-C body. It just doesn't make much sense to me and is a bit of a waste, really.

Which I'm pretty sure is well outside the area of interest of OP.

"Well outside"? I am not sure about that at all.

Even the cheapest A7 is definitely well outside the $500-$600 range, unless I'm missing something.

 

[Glen Barrington]

I need help deciding which camera to buy. Im a beginner, I previously owned a Canon EOS Rebel XSI, until it broke. Know I want a mirrorless systems camera. DSLR's are too big, and i want a camera for personal use. Mainly i will use it for landscape/nature photography, as well as everyday use. I want a camera that has good picture quality and that i can keep for several years to come. My budget is $500-$650 (lens included)

So far, i have looked at:

Olympus OM-D E-M10

Sony A6000

Fujifilm X-E1 & X-E2

Nikon J5

Samsung NX500

I just cant decide. Any input or suggestions will be helpful.

You can't decide because you suspect/know that they will ALL work just fine for your needs. All have good image quality and build quality and will work very well for your intended uses.

If you haven't actually held any of them, try to do so. One might 'feel' better in your hand, and that's as good a reason to select one over another as any 'talking points' I could list off.

You aren't going to get a BAD camera if you stick to one of the cameras you list. My advice is, don't fall into the analysis paralysis trap. Buy one and start taking photos. You can't do photography without a camera, but you can do very good photography with any of the ones you list (if YOU'RE good enough, that is!)

 

[brownie314]

I need help deciding which camera to buy. Im a beginner, I previously owned a Canon EOS Rebel XSI, until it broke. Know I want a mirrorless systems camera. DSLR's are too big, and i want a camera for personal use. Mainly i will use it for landscape/nature photography, as well as everyday use. I want a camera that has good picture quality and that i can keep for several years to come. My budget is $500-$650 (lens included)

So far, i have looked at:

Olympus OM-D E-M10

Sony A6000

Fujifilm X-E1 & X-E2

Nikon J5

Samsung NX500

I just cant decide. Any input or suggestions will be helpful.

Can't go wrong with any of them. But - if it is your only camera - I think I would stay away from 1" systems (J5) just because of noise issues at high ISO.

Of the ones remaining - I think the Olympus is a good choice. Nice lens selection etc. A6000 is a good choice, but you may find yourself limited in the future with lenses specifically for crop sensor E-mount. The Fuji is a good choice as well. NX500 - as much as I would like to recommend it - I have read mixed reviews.

One question - why not include the Nikon D3300? It is about as compact as the other systems and punches way above its weight in IQ. And you can probably have it and the 35/1.8DX prime and still be under your budget.

 

[PhotoFactor]

The budget is just for now, i would plan to aquire more lenses some time after i purchase the camera.

Than you probably should look at the current lens selection and future developments for each system. That pretty much leaves you with Micro 4/3 or Fuji X, unless Sony E already has all the lenses you will ever need (as there will be no more of them coming).

It is incorrect that there are no more Sony E coming. All of the Sony FE lenses are full frame-capable E mount. Sony has more crop E-mount lenses than Canon does for its DSLRs, which means that if the FE lenses are a "waste" for crop sensor cameras then I don't know why anybody would buy a crop sensor Canon, either. All e-mount lenses work on the A6000. The "F" in "FE" only means the lens also works on full-frame with no cropping. All E-mount lenses are the SAME mount and more continue to be released.

 

[MediaArchivist]

I am talking about E mount lenses, lenses that will work on an E mount camera.

But you are well aware that there are two formats using that mount, and that there are two types of lenses designed for it. Not sure what you're trying to gain pretending it's not the case.

I'm not pretending that's not the case, I am not considering it because I don't think it is relevant. I have nothing to gain because I sell neither cameras nor lenses. What other people buy or prefer has no effect on me and what I buy or prefer. Not sure what you are trying to gain pretending that an a6000 owner will not have new lenses to choose from in the future (Sony or otherwise).

And what's the point of buying a small, cheap APS-C body, if you're going to have to rely on big, heavy and expensive Full-Frame lenses to get by?

I don't know what the size, weight, and price will be of lenses introduced in the future. Neither do you. There may be sufficient choices today (for many people) that make such mysteries irrelevant (for them). I think you are overstating (if not inventing) supposed horrors inherent with using a FF lens on a crop sensor camera.

I mean, not that you can't do that. You can, why not, I guess some FE lenses might even make sense on APS-C body. It just doesn't make much sense to me and is a bit of a waste, really.

My best guess is that you will not be buying an a6000 because it does not make much sense to you. I already have a camera and plenty of lenses with a different mount, thus— as with you— buying an a6000 would not make much sense to me. There are other people for whom the a6000 may make a lot of sense, despite how little sense it makes for either of us.

Which I'm pretty sure is well outside the area of interest of OP.

"Well outside"? I am not sure about that at all.

Even the cheapest A7 is definitely well outside the $500-$600 range, unless I'm missing something.

You are. The OP was not considering an a7 series camera, in fact specifically mentioned the a6000. That camera comes with a zoom lens, has a number of other lenses currently available, and there is every indication that there will be more lenses available for it introduced in the future.

There may be many reasons not to go with the a6000, such as the reasons I outlined in a previous post. "No new lenses in the future" is not one of those reasons.

 

[dmitriyvan]

I will have to compare nikons d3300 size to the others. I really dont want a DSLR because of the size. I want something for personal use, that i can travel with if needed, and go hiking with.

 

[buybuybuy]

I will have to compare nikons d3300 size to the others. I really dont want a DSLR because of the size. I want something for personal use, that i can travel with if needed, and go hiking with.

Skip the D3300. It's entry level. Apart from its sensor, it has little of redeeming value. Mirrorless is your best bet.

 

[brownie314]

I am talking about E mount lenses, lenses that will work on an E mount camera.

But you are well aware that there are two formats using that mount, and that there are two types of lenses designed for it. Not sure what you're trying to gain pretending it's not the case.

I'm not pretending that's not the case, I am not considering it because I don't think it is relevant. I have nothing to gain because I sell neither cameras nor lenses. What other people buy or prefer has no effect on me and what I buy or prefer. Not sure what you are trying to gain pretending that an a6000 owner will not have new lenses to choose from in the future (Sony or otherwise).

This actually IS a big deal. Look at the countless Nikon DX threads where people are cursing Nikon for not making more high quality DX lenses. The F mount also takes two format sizes. And people who are invested in DX F mount have no interest in paying huge penalties in money and size for FX lenses.

And what's the point of buying a small, cheap APS-C body, if you're going to have to rely on big, heavy and expensive Full-Frame lenses to get by?

I don't know what the size, weight, and price will be of lenses introduced in the future. Neither do you. There may be sufficient choices today (for many people) that make such mysteries irrelevant (for them). I think you are overstating (if not inventing) supposed horrors inherent with using a FF lens on a crop sensor camera.

I mean, not that you can't do that. You can, why not, I guess some FE lenses might even make sense on APS-C body. It just doesn't make much sense to me and is a bit of a waste, really.

My best guess is that you will not be buying an a6000 because it does not make much sense to you. I already have a camera and plenty of lenses with a different mount, thus— as with you— buying an a6000 would not make much sense to me. There are other people for whom the a6000 may make a lot of sense, despite how little sense it makes for either of us.

Which I'm pretty sure is well outside the area of interest of OP.

"Well outside"? I am not sure about that at all.

Even the cheapest A7 is definitely well outside the $500-$600 range, unless I'm missing something.

You are. The OP was not considering an a7 series camera, in fact specifically mentioned the a6000. That camera comes with a zoom lens, has a number of other lenses currently available, and there is every indication that there will be more lenses available for it introduced in the future.

There may be many reasons not to go with the a6000, such as the reasons I outlined in a previous post. "No new lenses in the future" is not one of those reasons.

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[Bob Janes]

If you don't have any previous investment in any of these systems, try each in your hand and go with the one that feels best - I doubt there is a bad choice amongst them.

 

[Astrotripper]

if the FE lenses are a "waste" for crop sensor cameras then I don't know why anybody would buy a crop sensor Canon, either.

I don't know either. As far as I can tell, the lack of dedicated lenses is the biggest complaint that advanced users of APS-C DSLRs have. And the situation in E mount has become exactly the same as the situation of Canon or Nikon users (except that E-mount has got more dedicated APS-C lenses).

For some, it's not an issue, especially those that are OK with a kit zoom and occasional prime. It's also not an issue if your lens needs are covered by current lens lineup. But once you want to up your game, you might hit the wall in terms of lenses (depends on what you need vs what is available). And this is by design. Canon, Nikon and Sony all want you to "upgrade" to their more expensive Full-Frame gear. For DSLRs, there are some interesting options from third-party manufacturers, but that is not yet the case for Sony E.

And IMHO, this is something that needs to be considered carefully if you want to invest into such a system. Whether this is a deal breaker or not will depend on individual.

 

[Astrotripper]

I am talking about E mount lenses, lenses that will work on an E mount camera.

But you are well aware that there are two formats using that mount, and that there are two types of lenses designed for it. Not sure what you're trying to gain pretending it's not the case.

I'm not pretending that's not the case, I am not considering it because I don't think it is relevant.

Fair enough. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree

I think you are overstating (if not inventing) supposed horrors inherent with using a FF lens on a crop sensor camera.

Maybe this is the case, because good lens selection is quite important to me and I might be biased towards this perspective. It might indeed seem irrelevant to OP, as he's probably gonna be getting by with a kit lens for some time until additional lens purchases. And he might be unable to determine at this moment which lenses he will need in the future.

But I'd still argue that this is something to consider before investing into the system. Not all FE lenses can fill holes in E lens lineup.