Quick Comparison of Sony's Excellent G2 70-400 with other long tele options

Douglas F Watt

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This is an expensive but premium quality long telephoto for A mount. Its only real competition in terms of tele zooms for A mount is the Tamron 150-600 f5-6.3 (and I can speak from experience, as I own both lens, along with several Minolta telephoto primes). This review offers some brief comparison of these lenses, all of which offer good to great image quality, and good to excellent value (the Sony G2 being the better lens overall, but the Tamron perhaps being the better value). Any A Mount body shooter (Alpha 77/77m2/65/55/57/58/33/35 as well as the older Sony DSLRs) looking for a long telephoto should look carefully at this lens, the Tamron 150-600, and the classic Minolta primes (available used in various states of preservation) before deciding which to buy. I would also recommend consulting the full body of reviews for all these lenses on Dyxum, which is a treasure trove of information about the entire A mount lens ecology. There are lots of good options in other words.

Pros

1) Optimized for sharpness at the long end - sharper at the long end than any other tele zoom, including the new Tamron, and premium Canikon competing products. Quite sharp on APS-C and FF at wide end and in middle FL stopped down slightly. Overall, a very sharp optic, close to the class leading (for A mount) Minolta 400 4.5 prime which is probably the benchmark for sharpness at 400mm for Alpha mount

2) Compact size (but extends on zoom to a rather long lens ~ 13”)

3) Virtually no CA or PF (purple fringing, esp. on bright edges, the principle problem with many of the great Minolta legacy tele primes - but easily corrected in PP)

4) Built like a tank, like most Sony G lenses

5) Excellent focus limiter

6) Has corrections for vignetting, CA (which is minimal anyway), and distortion (also minimal) in firmware for many A mount bodies - something no 3rd party lens can claim

7) Very quiet and fast focusing, significantly faster than G1 version and screw drive legacy lenses (advantage SSM).

8) Better functioning at the long end than competing Canikon products, which typically soften at long end

9) Great soft case that really protects the lens in case of those potentially disastrous drops

Cons:

1) Heavy (but still lighter than the competition)

2) Expensive (roughly twice the price of Tamron 150-600) and only slightly less than used Minolta 400 4.5 in great condition (which is slightly sharper lens and can use x1.4 TC to get additional reach to 560mm with little loss of sharpness)

3) Due to being only f5.6 at long end, no AF functionality with Sony or Minolta TCs (but can use Kenko 1.4TC but with slowed AF)

4) Hood strikes me as a bit fragile, particularly for such a heavy lens. Replacement cost is likely to be ridiculous (Sony baloney?)

5) Slightly stiff zoom ring (probably mildly binding from rubber zoom ring)?

5) That’s it - no real major cons in terms of functionality, just premium cost for a premium lens

So how does this stack up against the Minolta primes, the Tamron 150-600 and the older Sigma tele zooms, with both the Sigma and Tamron zooms being less than half the cost? Well, like in relationship to a lot of other technology items, you truly get what you pay for. It’s sharper at 400mm than any of the Tamron or Sigma zooms (only slightly sharper than the new Tamron), and cropped images from the Sony at 400mm compare well to the Tamron at 600mm, which gets pretty soft frankly all the way out, and not nearly as sharp all the way out as the Sony is at 400. This suggests that the extra 200mm of the Tamron doesn’t really get you that much - however at 400mm the Tamron is close in sharpness to the Sony. So once again, there are basic tradeoffs. The Sony is lighter and more compact, slightly sharper, but lots more $. For BIF shooting, probably would vote for the Sony G2.

For a bit more money ($2500-3000 for excellent to mint copy) the Minolta 400 4.5 might be sharper, but only a little, although it is also a full stop faster. Although the Minolta and the Sony are close in sharpness wide open, if you set both at 5.6 (that’s still wide open for the Sony G2 and a full stop down for the Minolta prime), you would find the Minolta a bit sharper even than the Sony G2, but OTOH, you will have a bit more PF/CA on the Minolta, and it’s quite a bit heavier and . . . more money (!). The Minolta prime won’t focus as fast or as quietly, but it can use 1.4TC to get to 560mm. While the SSM of the Sony seems like a big advantage, the old screw drive AF on the Minolta tele prime is still competitive, and the excellent AF system on the Sony A77ii breaths new life into many older legacy Minolta screw drives. As a big plus, the Sony G2 is significantly lighter at 1500 g than either a Minolta 400 tele prime (quite heavy at 1900 g), or the Tamron 150-600 (1950 g) or the Sigma 50-150 (1840 g). Its 3.3 lbs is just on the limit of what you can wear on your Black Rapid or competing strap system.

Hopefully, this gives you a quick survey of the options for long telephoto zooms on your Alpha body. Like I have emphasized in relationship to many other DP technology issues, it's all about which tradeoffs you want to make, including cost being traded off against all other functional virtues.

Highly recommended overall, and more compact than the prime or tele zoom competition. I am only giving 4.5 stars due to cost - if priced at $1600, would be easily 5/5.
 
I don't doubt your review and that the Sony G is an excellent lens...

*But The sigma 400mm 5.6 apo telemacro will quite possibly smoke that lens at 400mm open or otherwise. In bokeh...color, weight,sharpness and fringe control.







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straight full jpeg...check the sharpness wide open on the plate
straight full jpeg...check the sharpness wide open on the plate



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I don't doubt your review and that the Sony G is an excellent lens...

*But The sigma 400mm 5.6 apo telemacro will quite possibly smoke that lens at 400mm open or otherwise. In bokeh...color, weight,sharpness and fringe control.
I haven't used the Sigma 400mm f5.6 APO, but looking at Dyxum, I'd have to disagree with you in every respect except bokeh & price where the Sigma would likely be a clear winner.

Color - ? - nothing wrong with the Sony for sure

Weight - 1450g vs 1500g - essentially a tossup

Sharpness - 4.56 vs 4.88 (Dyxum averages) - significant Sony advantage

Fringing - Not sure about the Sigma, but the lack of fringing with the Sony is simply unbelievable - I rarely have to make CA/PF adjustments in post.

Versatility - Sony wins hands down - 70-400mm

Focusing - No way the Sigma could be better


 
Thanks for posting that Brian. Wasn't aware of that lens per se, but knew that there were several strong but older tele primes from Sigma available used.

You could be right, although Dyxum ratings suggest that there is little difference in sharpness or other optical qualities. In fact, the G2 gets better sharpness ratings than your tele prime, and the Minolta 400 gets much better overall ratings. Of course, none of that is an objective test head to head. In any case, a prime should (theoretically anyway) have a sharpness advantage over a zoom . . .too bad there is no real data on this. Your images look good, but not - to the eye - any sharper or better than what I have seen from the G2 or certainly the Minolta 400.

But in any case, I'm sure it's a fine lens (and I didn't think that in my brief review I could remotely cover all the bases so apologies for any neglect), and thanks again for posting!

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Let me just also clarify that there are many good to excellent prime options beyond the Minolta 400 and 600 - see Dyxum - at least 8 other 400-500 primes, several with overall ratings over 4.5 (the Sigma 400 telemacro, two Sigma 500s, and the Minolta 400 (by far the highest rated older prime).

To add a whole layer of confusing complexity, there are additional large permutations of 300 primes plus 1.4 TC - again, too many to cover in any brief review. I myself have been pleased with the Minolta 300 HS G plus the 1.4 TC, but that combo has been displaced by the Sony G2 (just due to weight not optical quality), and when I need more reach, the Minolta 600 f4.

However, I think that the majority of more junior users or those with greater cost restrictions are probably going to choose tele zooms where there are really only limited choices (G2 Sigma and Tamron), while more senior folks or those with more cash to spend are gravitating to the primes or primes plus TCs.

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This is a screenshot 100% off the image I posted...a straight flat settings jpeg. This lens is also unbelievable in fringe control. My bad on weight thought the Sony g was quite a bit heavier. The sigma limiter works well and is fast focus but only in good light, I bet the Sony is better in focusing by quite a bit. For versatality true the Sony clearly gives focal range options. Thank you-brian

*straight 100% jpeg with camera on monopod...click on this baby kingfisher and check it out(neat shot i think)

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Excellent post, Douglas! Agree with your assessment. Having both the 70-400 G2 & the Minolta 400/4.5, there's only one observation I would add and that is the Minolta's smoother bokeh. Thanks for taking the time to put this together -- very well done! :)
 
Excellent post, Douglas! Agree with your assessment. Having both the 70-400 G2 & the Minolta 400/4.5, there's only one observation I would add and that is the Minolta's smoother bokeh. Thanks for taking the time to put this together -- very well done! :)

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Thanks Alan, coming from you that is much appreciated. I agree that I left out that important variable. Realized that last night that I hadn't commented on this, but you can't modify your post once there are any responses.

The Sony ain't great on bokeh, but the Tamron is a real bokeh dog IMO. Very busy, almost psychedelic bokeh esp. stopped down on the long end (450-600)!

Also, if I could ask, those who liked this review, please comment and vote also on the just posted Amazon review, which is updated and will be continually modified.

Thanks all! :-)

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This post apropos of Alan's valuable comments about bokeh as something neglected in my review.

Example of busy bokeh on Tamron 150-660 although the Sony G2's isn't great either. Otherwise, not a bad image if a bit soft, which is what happens past ~450mm (may not have been optimally MFA'ed either), and I regard this lens as the best value in the class. Not the best lens in the class (that would be either the G2 or the Minolta 400 prime, if you can put those in the same class, and depending on which virtues you prefer to max out vs. sacrifice).

Shot at Audubon rockery in Venice FL
Shot at Audubon rockery in Venice FL

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I don't doubt your review and that the Sony G is an excellent lens...

*But The sigma 400mm 5.6 apo telemacro will quite possibly smoke that lens at 400mm
Totally optimistic Brian, no way the Sigma could smoke the Sony @400mm...

I've had the G1 since release and its a go-to lens on a regular basis [its married to my A77] even though I have the 500mm f4 [married to the a77m2]

Been shooting the last couple weeks with the G1 and I can't fault it one iota ...check for yourself here:


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Actually though I love the lens, under certain circumstances, it will give the 500 reflex a run for the money with its bokeh. :-D
Ouch!! :-)
 
I have erased most of the really bad examples but here is a pic showing the circle bokeh

that's not terrible. I could dig out more worse examples on the Tamron easily, esp. at F>6.3! :-)

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This lens deserves to be included in any discussion of A-mount telephoto lenses if only because of the results it delivers for $450. The Sigma comes very close to matching my Minolta 400mm f/4.5 at f/6.3-f/8 (no match at f/5.6) and at 1500g it is considerably easier to carry around. I got one in my quest for a 'light' telephoto to use with my NEX bodies. The unavailability of stabilization on the NEX line and the loss of at least a stop of light was too much to give up in general, but the IQ is good enough that I don't feel bad using it over the Minolta on the A77II on a well lit day. If the A7000 get stabilization, this lens will be back in business.
 
I really do not think that it smokes my G2.



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This post apropos of Alan's valuable comments about bokeh as something neglected in my review.

Example of busy bokeh on Tamron 150-660 although the Sony G2's isn't great either.


To be fair though, especially for the many here who might be newer photographers, or just learning about depth-of-field differences in bokeh and blur, the quality of bokeh is not just purely based on the lens + focal length + aperture.



Many other variables contribute, including distance to subject, subject distance to background, overall lighting, and even the busy-ness of the background.



It should just be clarified lest people mistakenly think that shooting the big telezooms at 400-600mm and F6.3 automatically means strange or rough bokeh no matter the subject or conditions. Creamy, smooth, round, and/or clean bokeh is all possible at long focal reaches and wide open, just depending on those other distance factors:



Tamron 150-600mm at 600mm F6.3

Tamron 150-600mm at 600mm F6.3



Tamron again at 560mm, F6.3

Tamron again at 560mm, F6.3



Now an example of the 'busy' bokeh - still 600mm and F6.3 - but my distance to subject, and subject distance to background, fell into that perfect combination to get that busy, choppier background

Now an example of the 'busy' bokeh - still 600mm and F6.3 - but my distance to subject, and subject distance to background, fell into that perfect combination to get that busy, choppier background



Nothing bad to add about the review, or the other comments so far - I just wanted to put in this one point of clarification to those who may not shoot long lenses as regularly - most of us who do birding and wildlife photography with long lenses know that even the best bokeh lenses can have a certain distance to subject and to background that can confuse the blur and result in a less attractive bokeh - and even lenses not particularly optimized for bokeh can deliver smooth, creamy, or nicely round bokeh results if those distances are right.





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