2 Stop Better High ISO from OM-D Raw using Lightroom Acr

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Hi from Italy , excuse me for my english,

I hope you can take a look and share to all this community for a comprensive explanation for other user in Dpreview for share at maximum this preset,and what performance become possible opening a raw with the right conversion.
Link to raw files at the end.

(if you try the em1 preset it's a preset found in dpreview made by erik with detail panel edited by me) It regard the color rendition of the em1 so raw files look very similar to the muted jpg OOC and improve minimum 2 stop better low and high iso performance without loose fine details.It can be a good starting point.
The em5 preset contain about the same detail panel but the color tweack in hsl is different

A raw files is like a language,to be translated it need a good tranlator who know how to translate that language,lightroom,camera raw and all generic raw converter doesn't know exactly how translate raw from different camera,and ,using a generic profile there are a lot of world that are wrong translated,I mean colors,tone, and luminosity of eatch slider in HSL but IF we "teach to lightroom how to translate the raw that come from our camera,the translation become better.
A special rule is about the detail panel,I've own a lot of cameras with top prime lenses from canon to nikon apsc and FF but every single raw file from olympus look much sharper than other system.
Can be all m4/3 lenses so better than FF lenses? I think no,so why? because the standard parameters in adobe are too aggressive starting to squeeze sharpness like a sensor that have optical low pass filter,so you can have 2 approatch:
1 start to open orf raw with sharpness set to zero ( it seem the 100% crops look even sharper than other system opened at 25) with the advantage a lot of apparent noise at low iso disappear
2 use a compromise:a bit of sharpening for small details and low level for big detail,with a small amount of noise reduction ,how much? enough for keep the small detail visible
,and let try squeeze small detail with the second slide

Here an example for ORF raw :
Detail Panel in Acr and Lightroom :

Sharpness 10
Radius 0.7
Mask 40

Noise reduction

noise reduction luminance from 10 to 25( in relation at higher iso)
detail 65-75,

at the end we can restore a natural texture made of fine casual grain using add grain in the effect panel
Amount 15-20
Dimension 50
Noise 20

all these variation are accessible in lightroom and camera raw...and it is possible if we like this starting point to set lightroom and acr to apply automatically the preset ,and do the necessary expousure/contrast regolation for personal taste,but it is very convenient have a better color reproduction even with white balance as shot

Please share as much possible
I've done some comparison even with the nikon D750 and using the detail panel as I do,you will keep at 90% the same sharpness and noise at 100% crops
All I have described here is valid for all olympus raw files,but the em1 need a lot of correction in color rendition,the EM5 nedd less tweack
remember it is only a starting point,and if possible it's a better solution expose to the right at limit of burning high light and get low in lightroom as necessary.





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Link to raw for comparison between em1 vs nikon d750

Download raw em1 vs d750
but I remember to open omd raw with THOSE preset or using my previus detail panel setup
 
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All that sounds spot on to me. Masked sharpening to reduce enhancing inherent noise that shouldn't be enhanced (which is present even at ISO 200), with a nuanced application of NR as is called for. Using the Alt/Opt key while moving the Sharpen Masking slider help a great deal on getting the masking just so.
 
it's a compromise between detail and nr,I don't care if every one consider a crime touch the default standard detail panel,but it work....raw are not all the same and if you do the same thing in a FF raw ,5d3 or every camera you want to try the sharpness say goodbye,in the case of OMD raw it work very well and the sharpness is super



is it possible?It's a 100% crop ,can a 250$ 115 grams zuiko lens be so sharp at full aperture?
I think the default parameter in acr and lightroom too much aggressive ,and sure I'm not used to get this level of detail from my others FF lens combo...so I think omd raw files need a totally different approach





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an other 100% crop at full aperture,and I' talking about f1.2 !!

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it's a compromise between detail and nr,I don't care if every one consider a crime touch the default standard detail panel,but it work....raw are not all the same and if you do the same thing in a FF raw ,5d3 or every camera you want to try the sharpness say goodbye,in the case of OMD raw it work very well and the sharpness is super

is it possible?It's a 100% crop ,can a 250$ 115 grams zuiko lens be so sharp at full aperture?
I think the default parameter in acr and lightroom too much aggressive ,and sure I'm not used to get this level of detail from my others FF lens combo...so I think omd raw files need a totally different approach
Of course. . . different exposures can call for different developing parameters. Even more so different sensor output. Not everything calls for that, but when looking to eke the most out of every single pixel. . .

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an other 100% crop at full aperture,and I' talking about f1.2 !!

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it's a compromise between detail and nr,I don't care if every one consider a crime touch the default standard detail panel,but it work....raw are not all the same and if you do the same thing in a FF raw ,5d3 or every camera you want to try the sharpness say goodbye,in the case of OMD raw it work very well and the sharpness is super

is it possible?It's a 100% crop ,can a 250$ 115 grams zuiko lens be so sharp at full aperture?
I think the default parameter in acr and lightroom too much aggressive ,and sure I'm not used to get this level of detail from my others FF lens combo...so I think omd raw files need a totally different approach
Of course. . . different exposures can call for different developing parameters. Even more so different sensor output.

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Different exposures ??
 
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Hi from Italy , excuse me for my english,

I hope you can take a look and share to all this community for a comprensive explanation for other user in Dpreview for share at maximum this preset,and what performance become possible opening a raw with the right conversion.
Link to raw files at the end.
(if you try the em1 preset it's a preset found in dpreview made by erik with detail panel edited by me) It regard the color rendition of the em1 so raw files look very similar to the muted jpg OOC and improve minimum 2 stop better low and high iso performance without loose fine details.It can be a good starting point.
The em5 preset contain about the same detail panel but the color tweack in hsl is different

A raw files is like a language,to be translated it need a good tranlator who know how to translate that language,lightroom,camera raw and all generic raw converter doesn't know exactly how translate raw from different camera,and ,using a generic profile there are a lot of world that are wrong translated,I mean colors,tone, and luminosity of eatch slider in HSL but IF we "teach to lightroom how to translate the raw that come from our camera,the translation become better.
A special rule is about the detail panel,I've own a lot of cameras with top prime lenses from canon to nikon apsc and FF but every single raw file from olympus look much sharper than other system.
Can be all m4/3 lenses so better than FF lenses? I think no,so why? because the standard parameters in adobe are too aggressive starting to squeeze sharpness like a sensor that have optical low pass filter,so you can have 2 approatch:
1 start to open orf raw with sharpness set to zero ( it seem the 100% crops look even sharper than other system opened at 25) with the advantage a lot of apparent noise at low iso disappear
2 use a compromise:a bit of sharpening for small details and low level for big detail,with a small amount of noise reduction ,how much? enough for keep the small detail visible
,and let try squeeze small detail with the second slide
Here an example for ORF raw :
Detail Panel in Acr and Lightroom :

Sharpness 10
Radius 0.7
Mask 40

Noise reduction

noise reduction luminance from 10 to 25( in relation at higher iso)
detail 65-75,

at the end we can restore a natural texture made of fine casual grain using add grain in the effect panel
Amount 15-20
Dimension 50
Noise 20

all these variation are accessible in lightroom and camera raw...and it is possible if we like this starting point to set lightroom and acr to apply automatically the preset ,and do the necessary expousure/contrast regolation for personal taste,but it is very convenient have a better color reproduction even with white balance as shot

Please share as much possible
I've done some comparison even with the nikon D750 and using the detail panel as I do,you will keep at 90% the same sharpness and noise at 100% crops
All I have described here is valid for all olympus raw files,but the em1 need a lot of correction in color rendition,the EM5 nedd less tweack
remember it is only a starting point,and if possible it's a better solution expose to the right at limit of burning high light and get low in lightroom as necessary.

0dc8dda23efb456888a3eb68ebc65296.jpg

b0079fa377264894b06ed29a74206343.jpg

e19fb4e01c784686a9081c511f5c1ad5.jpg

9460cd798419484e9c1b3ea1a5ca1aa8.jpg

6a96090f1edf43cb827adaa5bee7b019.jpg

ac754c619beb4c6e96c3421e3b46cf0f.jpg

Link to raw for comparison between em1 vs nikon d750
Download raw em1 vs d750 but I remember to open omd raw with THOSE preset or using my previus detail panel setup


Thanks a lot for sharing this!,



Really useful information !, I downloaded the presets and will be playing around a bit with it !,

Again thanks
 
Question: how about adjusting the settings inside the camera internally instead of LR?
 
it's a compromise between detail and nr,I don't care if every one consider a crime touch the default standard detail panel,but it work....raw are not all the same and if you do the same thing in a FF raw ,5d3 or every camera you want to try the sharpness say goodbye,in the case of OMD raw it work very well and the sharpness is super

is it possible?It's a 100% crop ,can a 250$ 115 grams zuiko lens be so sharp at full aperture?
I think the default parameter in acr and lightroom too much aggressive ,and sure I'm not used to get this level of detail from my others FF lens combo...so I think omd raw files need a totally different approach
Of course. . . different exposures can call for different developing parameters. Even more so different sensor output.

.
Different exposures ??
Sure. If the exposure needs pushing or pulling (usually on purpose, sometimes not) one treats the exposure according to the noise characteristics of that particular developed exposure. NR & Sharpening will be applied differently to different ISOs. Sharpening for landscape, architecturals, or portraits, for example, also calls for different approaches as well.

LR's defaults are just a starting point for the masses. There is no one-preset solution, or at least not that will satisfy everyone. That's the beauty of presets, one can make as many for their own satisfaction as they deem fit to suit their workflow.

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Question: how about adjusting the settings inside the camera internally instead of LR?
In LR you have much finer control. JPEG setting are only a few, big jumps.

And sharpening masking is not available at all. Just more variable and control in LR.
 
Question: how about adjusting the settings inside the camera internally instead of LR?
For RAW output with anything other than the manufacturer's developing app, in-camera tweaks cannot be utilized with RAW.
 
The Nocticron is no joke for details and contrast - I think you are getting this at maximum aperture from the single best lens in the m43 lineup.

Have you tried it with other lenses?

Noise suppression is tough when you don't have that highlight and clarity.
 
yes I've tried it work with all lenses on omd raw files
 
Very nice looking results.
 
Thank you ,I will like if you share this topic
 

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