Should Olympus go Fuji way?

With current financial state, should Olympus go the Fuji way and upgrade EM1 through firmwares rather than spend money on the new models? EM1 is as it is an excellent camera and may be few remaining quirks can be handled by firmware.
Wouldn't the "current financial state" make it more necessary to sell more cameras rather than giving away free firmware upgrades?

Every camera ever made has quirks.

If you can fix them all with firmware upgrades, then you are giving your customers no good reason to ever upgrade.

I am not saying you shouldn't fix problems.

I think you have completely misunderstood what Fuji is doing. Fuji releases cameras CHOCK FULL OF BUGS, then fixes them later with firmware upgrades. This shouldn't be seen as a good thing. It should be seen as releasing products that aren't fully tested.

Their X100 camera probably holds a record for this. When Dpreview did their full review they found 21 major issues! Most of them were fixed with firmware, and those that weren't were fixed in the X100S and X100T models, but no one can accuse Fuji of doing a great job getting things right the first time.

Olympus, on the other hand, releases products that are "almost ready" and have relatively few problems that can be fixed with firmware.

So.... take your pick. Either buy cameras that work pretty well right out of the box, or buy cameras that require CONSTANT firmware upgrades to make them usable.

I just don't see the need for constant fixes as a sign of good manufacturing and engineering.
 
Firmware updates don't make money nor stir excitement for product churn. So I don't think that is the way to go.

They should go the Fuji way in that they need to focus more on the high end (as they are with today's launches) because that's where the markup is.
I really thought that was what the OP meant when I read the thread title. But instead, he was suggesting that Olympus should follow Fuji in releasing partially finished products and then fix them with a continuous flow of firmware upgrades.

But, I'm with you on your suggestion. Olympus would be wise to move further upmarket. Because that is the only market that will be left in a few years, after cameraphones devour even more sales from the vast army of facebook users.

The real solution for camera makers is to cater to the high end of the market, rather than making more selfie screens. No "selfie addict" will spend $600 to buy a real camera because it has a flip up screen. They would much rather use their cell phone.

Olympus is actually pretty well positioned right now, with their OM-D line and growing lens catalog.
 
With current financial state, should Olympus go the Fuji way and upgrade EM1 through firmwares rather than spend money on the new models? EM1 is as it is an excellent camera and may be few remaining quirks can be handled by firmware.
Wouldn't the "current financial state" make it more necessary to sell more cameras rather than giving away free firmware upgrades?
What makes you think that those things are negatively correlated?
Every camera ever made has quirks.

If you can fix them all with firmware upgrades, then you are giving your customers no good reason to ever upgrade.
What do you thing is a good reason for users to upgrade? Do you really think that if I buy a camera and feel dissatisfied with it, that I will immediately buy a new model that fixes those shortcomings? I don't think it works that way. I'm more likely to feel buyer's remorse and buy a competing product next time.
I am not saying you shouldn't fix problems.

I think you have completely misunderstood what Fuji is doing. Fuji releases cameras CHOCK FULL OF BUGS, then fixes them later with firmware upgrades. This shouldn't be seen as a good thing. It should be seen as releasing products that aren't fully tested.

Their X100 camera probably holds a record for this. When Dpreview did their full review they found 21 major issues! Most of them were fixed with firmware, and those that weren't were fixed in the X100S and X100T models, but no one can accuse Fuji of doing a great job getting things right the first time.

Olympus, on the other hand, releases products that are "almost ready" and have relatively few problems that can be fixed with firmware.

So.... take your pick. Either buy cameras that work pretty well right out of the box, or buy cameras that require CONSTANT firmware upgrades to make them usable.

I just don't see the need for constant fixes as a sign of good manufacturing and engineering.
I'm generally with you that the "release first, fix later" is far from perfect. But it's still better than "release and forget".

And Olympus is not in either of those categories. And I'd argue that their current policy of updating their top cameras is the best thing they can do to sell more of them. It's been almost 2 years since E-M1 got released, and after all those updates it still matches well with the latest and greatest competitors.

And which camera you'd rather spend money on, one that you know will be supported throughout its life cycle with both fixes and feature improvements alike? Or one that will be replaced in 16 months with newer, almost identical model, that makes minor improvements, but makes your camera obsolete (in the sense that it just lost most of its resale value and is no longer "up to date" with the newest offerings or competition)?

And there's also user loyalty and confidence at play. That level of post-release support builds both. E-M1 users are not your average Joes that buy a camera with a kit lens and never change it. Those are mostly high value users that already spent significant amount of money on a camera, and will most likely spend even more on the lenses and accessories. When those users are confident that their camera will stay relevant for a considerable period of time, they are much less likely to switch to whatever newest and greatest competition comes out.

And other users/consumers see what's happening as well. Now that I see what level of support E-M1 receives, I will be much more likely to upgrade to higher end camera. Before, it made little sense to me to go for the top model. Sure, it's a bit better, but what's the point of spending so much money on a camera that will be "obsolete" within a year or so, when some new model comes out with some new feature? And it doesn't matter that it's still going to be a great camera. You can't ignore psychology. And having your users second guessing their purchase or having buyer's remorse is not something you want as a company.

If I were an E-M1 user, I would be a very satisfied Olympus customer is what I'm trying to say.
 
Being both an Olympus and Panasonic user I hate seeing brand squabbling in the M4/3 camp.

But I will say this. Olympus and Panasonic seem to be trying hard to offer alternative versions of M4/3 rather than stepping on each other. They have their hands full competing with all the other brands, and tend not to compete that much with each other. They seem to following different routes.

For example.... Panasonic owns the video enthusiast market. Olympus isn't even trying to compete there that hard. Olympus seems to be pursing the best still results, with features like 5-Axis IBIS and a high resolution mode.

Aside from kit lenses and very common focal lengths, there is very little lens duplication. I do realize that Olympus' last two lens releases were the same focal length as Panasonic lenses, but they are much faster weather sealed lenses. Really aimed at a different customer.

One of the first M4/3 lenses from Panasonic was a Leica 45mm f/2.8 Macro. This means Olympus had to go longer or shorter with their Macro lens. They went with an excellent 60mm f/2.8, then Panasonic will come back and claimed the 30mm Macro slot. When the dust settled, we ended up with three very nice macro lenses to pick from. The really devout macro fans might buy all three.

I still think someone will want a 100mm f/2.8 Macro, and I hope Olympus builds one.

Panasonic is pushing the lens envelope further with a few f/1.4 and f/1.2 lenses. The fastest Olympus lens so far is f/1.8. But faster lenses can defeat the M4/3 "small and light" mission. At some point, those folks addicted to razor thin DOF will wonder why they are buying $2,000 lenses rather than buying cameras with larger sensors.

I agree with your statement that Olympus has discontinued the Pen Mini series. And I think this is because Panasonic does the mini concept better with their GM and new GF cameras. This niche within a niche is too small for both companies to compete in. Panasonic has it covered pretty well with three models.

I think the Pen series will be trimmed down to one model only, the EPL model. And this model really needs to be priced even lower because it lacks the EVF that the budget EM10 has.

It just might be that the M4/3 share of the MILC market, which is itself a pretty small market, is too small to sustain eight different current bodies from both makers. If you try to have four models in your lineup, then you need to keep working on upgrades for them, and this piles on R&D expense.
 
I think FW updates are really good.

When a camera is released under big stress like all tech projects involving software are (I work in the industry so I know) you always have to prioritize what comes into that release and not. After the 1.0 version is out you can continue the development and see how you can tune the code and add functions in a lower stressful situation and release those updates when your done.

By releasing new FW existing customers get a good feeling and are talking well about the company and camera and recommend it to others so that helps sales (assuming the product is still on the market but with the now lower pace of new models they are longer on the market).

You get free media time every time you release a new firmware especially if you add something new or improve an existing function.

The product gets better meaning it can compete better on the market. See what FW3.0 did for the EM1. They got to sell one to me for instance...
I agree with all those, and the problem with the Fuji is just that they are missing features compard to competition = less sales in start. And then they add missing features or fix problems = good publicity. But it takes time and people still remember that what happened and guess what will come and invest to other systems.

That is what happened to me. I wanted to buy X-T1, but not just the camera physical problems (design) that turned me off (while I thought otherwise) it was their firmware policy that was turn down.

What is the result? I can be happy that X-T1 owners gets new C-AF feature, but I am happy that I didn't buy Fuji and I don't really recommend Fuji to anyone who is not going to live with that camera as its condition when released for 5 years.

So while the firmware policy to update often is good, it needs to be started from good situation. Like example Samsung has been doing extraordinary job by tweaking firmware after releasing camera in great shape. They have the software development in good understanding and seems they have really planned ahead by adding lots of hardware that is running the firmware to make camera different.
Tricky one - Fuji can be commended on releasing a much needed AF update, but sadly many potential customers will have gone an alternate route already based on reviews of Fuji AF.

So while firmware updates are great for existing users, I wonder how many new customers the firmware is responsible. Possibly a few who were on the fence at the point of the firmware release.

Against that we often see firmware updates which are not enhancements but fixes, which in an ideal world, should not be required.

As for releasing firmware instead of a new model ... I suspect more sales are generated from a new model compared to people buying "old" cameras after an update.
 
Firmware updates don't make money nor stir excitement for product churn. So I don't think that is the way to go.

They should go the Fuji way in that they need to focus more on the high end (as they are with today's launches) because that's where the markup is.
Well, they went this way with FT - and it cost them dearly.
Actually their last profitable year (in the camera division) was 2008. They launched mFT in 2009.

 
Firmware updates don't make money nor stir excitement for product churn. So I don't think that is the way to go.
Some of the updates to the Fuji X-T1 have been genuine improvements. Fuji often respond to customer gripes about button functionality etc, this is generally something well received by Fuji users, I'd welcome any such response from Olympus or Panasonic. It also breeds brand loyalty as the perception is that they are prepared to change things on the back of customer feedback.
They should go the Fuji way in that they need to focus more on the high end (as they are with today's launches) because that's where the markup is.
Maybe they like it, but it also means they haven't had a reason to buy a new camera for 2 years now while Fujifilm is still spending money supporting a product they already sold.
 
Every camera ever made has quirks.

If you can fix them all with firmware upgrades, then you are giving your customers no good reason to ever upgrade.
If you release a camera with quirks, that could be fixed with a firmware upgrade, and you become known as a company with a policy of not fixing them and requiring your customers to upgrade, then you are giving people who might be considering becoming customers a very good reason not to buy your product in the first place.

Paul
 
Firmware updates don't make money nor stir excitement for product churn. So I don't think that is the way to go.
Some of the updates to the Fuji X-T1 have been genuine improvements. Fuji often respond to customer gripes about button functionality etc, this is generally something well received by Fuji users, I'd welcome any such response from Olympus or Panasonic. It also breeds brand loyalty as the perception is that they are prepared to change things on the back of customer feedback.
They should go the Fuji way in that they need to focus more on the high end (as they are with today's launches) because that's where the markup is.
Maybe they like it, but it also means they haven't had a reason to buy a new camera for 2 years now while Fujifilm is still spending money supporting a product they already sold.
Fuji don't turn over cameras as fast as others, their product lifecycle is a bit longer, so they keep their customers happy with useful firmware updates, I don't see any problem with that.
 
Based what you say about OM-D line and especially E-M1 that you only read specs and you dont handle cameras for photography.
 

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