Differences between Sony Zeiss and the new Zeiss Batis lenses?

[sparkie]

So whats the differences between say the Zeiss 35/1.4 and the Zeiss Batis lenses?

Is the 35/1.4 a "Sony Zeiss" lens — where as the Zeiss Batis is a pure Zeiss lens, ie made by Zeiss in Germany? Where as the Sony Zeiss lenses like the FE 35/2.8, FE 55/1.8, FE 24-70/4, FE 35/1.4 are made by Sony in another country under license from Zeiss?

Apart from the OLED display on the side & floating elements of the Batis lenses, they look more compact, and seem to be quite reasonably sized. The 85/1.8 is lighter and shorter than the 35/1.4 for example. I know the 35/1.4 is one-stop faster but the 85/1.8 is a longer lens + has OIS crammed in there so really good to see more compactness in the Batis line. Incidentally the 85.18 is "Dust- and Weather-Sealed Construction". Where as the 25/2 is only "Dust and Moisture-Resistant Construction".

The 35/1.4 has a Direct Drive Super Sonic Wave AF System, vs 85/1.8 Linear Autofocus Motor — which is faster, more silent?

 

[neil holmes]

So whats the differences between say the Zeiss 35/1.4 and the Zeiss Batis lenses?

Is the 35/1.4 a "Sony Zeiss" lens — where as the Zeiss Batis is a pure Zeiss lens, ie made by Zeiss in Germany? Where as the Sony Zeiss lenses like the FE 35/2.8, FE 55/1.8, FE 24-70/4, FE 35/1.4 are made by Sony in another country under license from Zeiss?

Apart from the OLED display on the side & floating elements of the Batis lenses, they look more compact, and seem to be quite reasonably sized. The 85/1.8 is lighter and shorter than the 35/1.4 for example. I know the 35/1.4 is one-stop faster but the 85/1.8 is a longer lens + has OIS crammed in there so really good to see more compactness in the Batis line. Incidentally the 85.18 is "Dust- and Weather-Sealed Construction". Where as the 25/2 is only "Dust and Moisture-Resistant Construction".

The 35/1.4 has a Direct Drive Super Sonic Wave AF System, vs 85/1.8 Linear Autofocus Motor — which is faster, more silent?

Have a read of this.

Also note that the ZA lenses are listed as any other lens on the Zeiss pages.

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www.zeiss.com.au

 

[Wally626]

So whats the differences between say the Zeiss 35/1.4 and the Zeiss Batis lenses?

Is the 35/1.4 a "Sony Zeiss" lens — where as the Zeiss Batis is a pure Zeiss lens, ie made by Zeiss in Germany? Where as the Sony Zeiss lenses like the FE 35/2.8, FE 55/1.8, FE 24-70/4, FE 35/1.4 are made by Sony in another country under license from Zeiss?

Apart from the OLED display on the side & floating elements of the Batis lenses, they look more compact, and seem to be quite reasonably sized. The 85/1.8 is lighter and shorter than the 35/1.4 for example. I know the 35/1.4 is one-stop faster but the 85/1.8 is a longer lens + has OIS crammed in there so really good to see more compactness in the Batis line. Incidentally the 85.18 is "Dust- and Weather-Sealed Construction". Where as the 25/2 is only "Dust and Moisture-Resistant Construction".

The 35/1.4 has a Direct Drive Super Sonic Wave AF System, vs 85/1.8 Linear Autofocus Motor — which is faster, more silent?

Sony Zeiss lenses are designed and built by or for Sony. Zeiss contributes QA and I assume some consulting on the design. The Batis lenses are designed by Zeiss and manufactured for Zeiss. Zeiss might pay a license fee on the Batis lenses to make use of Sony tech but otherwise Sony is not involved. Zeiss also designs and manufactures some of its own lenses but these tend to be very expensive cine lenses.

 

[Lightshow]

So whats the differences between say the Zeiss 35/1.4 and the Zeiss Batis lenses?

Is the 35/1.4 a "Sony Zeiss" lens — where as the Zeiss Batis is a pure Zeiss lens, ie made by Zeiss in Germany? Where as the Sony Zeiss lenses like the FE 35/2.8, FE 55/1.8, FE 24-70/4, FE 35/1.4 are made by Sony in another country under license from Zeiss?

Apart from the OLED display on the side & floating elements of the Batis lenses, they look more compact, and seem to be quite reasonably sized. The 85/1.8 is lighter and shorter than the 35/1.4 for example. I know the 35/1.4 is one-stop faster but the 85/1.8 is a longer lens + has OIS crammed in there so really good to see more compactness in the Batis line. Incidentally the 85.18 is "Dust- and Weather-Sealed Construction". Where as the 25/2 is only "Dust and Moisture-Resistant Construction".

The 35/1.4 has a Direct Drive Super Sonic Wave AF System, vs 85/1.8 Linear Autofocus Motor — which is faster, more silent?

Sony Zeiss lenses are designed and built by or for Sony. Zeiss contributes QA and I assume some consulting on the design. The Batis lenses are designed by Zeiss and manufactured for Zeiss. Zeiss might pay a license fee on the Batis lenses to make use of Sony tech but otherwise Sony is not involved. Zeiss also designs and manufactures some of its own lenses but these tend to be very expensive cine lenses.

The Sony mount is sort of open to Approved parties to manufacture lenses for.

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en.wikipedia.org

"On 8 February 2011 Sony announced the release of the specifications for the E-mount lens system allowing for third-party lens makers to create lenses for the NEX cameras without having to pay royalties. The mount specifications have been released to registered parties since April 2011. In spite of this, the E-mount is not an open standard, since only companies endorsed by Sony are given specifications and only after licensing and signing non-disclosure agreement."

The application page: http://support.d-imaging.sony.co.jp/www/e_mount/en/detail.html

 

[Dave Sanders]

So whats the differences between say the Zeiss 35/1.4 and the Zeiss Batis lenses?

Is the 35/1.4 a "Sony Zeiss" lens — where as the Zeiss Batis is a pure Zeiss lens, ie made by Zeiss in Germany? Where as the Sony Zeiss lenses like the FE 35/2.8, FE 55/1.8, FE 24-70/4, FE 35/1.4 are made by Sony in another country under license from Zeiss?

Apart from the OLED display on the side & floating elements of the Batis lenses, they look more compact, and seem to be quite reasonably sized. The 85/1.8 is lighter and shorter than the 35/1.4 for example. I know the 35/1.4 is one-stop faster but the 85/1.8 is a longer lens + has OIS crammed in there so really good to see more compactness in the Batis line. Incidentally the 85.18 is "Dust- and Weather-Sealed Construction". Where as the 25/2 is only "Dust and Moisture-Resistant Construction".

The 35/1.4 has a Direct Drive Super Sonic Wave AF System, vs 85/1.8 Linear Autofocus Motor — which is faster, more silent?

As far as I know, Sony Zeiss lenses are designed and made by Sony in Japan or Thailand with some design advice or approval from Zeiss. They also have the right to use the T* coating, but that means little as many very poor Cybershot lenses were also 'Zeiss T*'.

As I understand it, all other Zeiss lenses (ZF/ZE, M, Otus, Touit, Loxia, etc.) are designed by Zeiss and made by Cosina in Japan.

I don't know about AF, but I would think that the Direct Drive system of the 35/1.4 would be superior to a standard linear AF motor.

 

[davelok]

If Sony is about to release two more IBIS cameras...

...why did Zeiss release its first optically stabilised lens?

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[Devekut]

What's the deal with the OLED display? Seems distracting. Are there any videos showing us what it actually seen when looking through the EVF?

 

[neil holmes]

If Sony is about to release two more IBIS cameras...

...why did Zeiss release its first optically stabilised lens?

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Well it is not like they started designing and gearing up for this in a couple of months....this would have been a long time in the works.

The 85 with stabilization and AF should be wonderful on an A7s for low light portraits.

AF-S and stabilized at EV -4!!!

I REALLY want this (Zeiss 85) lens but then there is that new Mitakon 85 1.2 (anyone remember that??).

I also still have and love my old Canon FD 85 1.2 L and the cheap, small 85 2.8 SAM A mount lens is not too shabby either.

I would have to sell the Canon 85 and a few others too to buy anything.

I have not used the Canon 85 FD L much lately (the Canon EF 135 f2 L is used often instead).

Maybe I need to use the 85 again .....Anzac day dawn service with the A7s maybe......

Oh well there may be some cheap Zeiss 85 1.8s come up second hand quickly when people realise it is not an Otus (but should be a wonderful portrait lens for weddings and for me, live music none the less).

 

[davelok]

If Sony is about to release two more IBIS cameras...

...why did Zeiss release its first optically stabilised lens?

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The 85 with stabilization and AF should be wonderful on an A7s for low light portraits.
AF-S and stabilized at EV -4!!!

That's a highly plausible scenario.

 

[johnsmith404]

So whats the differences between say the Zeiss 35/1.4 and the Zeiss Batis lenses?

Is the 35/1.4 a "Sony Zeiss" lens — where as the Zeiss Batis is a pure Zeiss lens, ie made by Zeiss in Germany? Where as the Sony Zeiss lenses like the FE 35/2.8, FE 55/1.8, FE 24-70/4, FE 35/1.4 are made by Sony in another country under license from Zeiss?

Almost all Zeiss-Zeiss lenses are built in Japan. Don't know about Loxia but it's certainly the case for Touit and Otus. Cine lenses are an exception.

Look for instance here in the comments:

https://flic.kr/p/fUqcTP

If you insist on buying made in Germany, you've got to pay Leica prices. But even some of the Leica lenses are made in Japan. For instance, the T-series lenses are made by Konica Minolta and some of the R and M mount lenses used to be manufactured by Minolta and Kyocera.

Sony-Zeiss manufactures stuff in random places. Sometimes in Japan, sometimes in Thailand.

Apart from the OLED display on the side & floating elements of the Batis lenses, they look more compact, and seem to be quite reasonably sized. The 85/1.8 is lighter and shorter than the 35/1.4 for example. I know the 35/1.4 is one-stop faster but the 85/1.8 is a longer lens + has OIS crammed in there so really good to see more compactness in the Batis line. Incidentally the 85.18 is "Dust- and Weather-Sealed Construction". Where as the 25/2 is only "Dust and Moisture-Resistant Construction".

The 35/1.4 has a Direct Drive Super Sonic Wave AF System, vs 85/1.8 Linear Autofocus Motor — which is faster, more silent?

When the Touit series is any indication, the AF should be inferior compared to Sony-Zeiss both in terms of noise as well as speed. On the other hand I wouldn't be surprised if Zeiss actually got some tech from Sony in this case. Previously, Zeiss had been incapable of producing lenses with OSS. In fact, they went as far as to claim that they just wouldn't produce lenses with OSS because it supposedly degraded IQ...

 

[Pieterbaan]

If Sony is about to release two more IBIS cameras...

...why did Zeiss release its first optically stabilised lens?

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Two reasons:

1. It is very nice for the people who have E-mount cameras without IBIS (Still the majority of E-mount users as up untill now ther is no APS camera with IBIS in the E-mount range)
2. OSS works nicely together with IBIS, so you get the best of two worlds when you have an IBIS E-mount camera...

And one thing: to design a lens takes a lot of time, so this was probably started before the A7II was on the drawingboard.

 

[tn1krr]

Apart from the OLED display on the side & floating elements of the Batis lenses, they look more compact, and seem to be quite reasonably sized. The 85/1.8 is lighter and shorter than the 35/1.4 for example. I know the 35/1.4 is one-stop faster but the 85/1.8 is a longer lens + has OIS crammed in there so really good to see more compactness in the Batis line. Incidentally the 85.18 is "Dust- and Weather-Sealed Construction". Where as the 25/2 is only "Dust and Moisture-Resistant Construction".

The 35/1.4 has a Direct Drive Super Sonic Wave AF System, vs 85/1.8 Linear Autofocus Motor — which is faster, more silent?

When the Touit series is any indication, the AF should be inferior compared to Sony-Zeiss both in terms of noise as well as speed. On the other hand I wouldn't be surprised if Zeiss actually got some tech from Sony in this case. Previously, Zeiss had been incapable of producing lenses with OSS. In fact, they went as far as to claim that they just wouldn't produce lenses with OSS because it supposedly degraded IQ...

The tech (inclusion of OSS, OLED display and mentioning linear AF motors like in FE 70-200) and quite "coordinated" focal lengths indeed suggest to me too that the level of cooperation between Sony and Zeiss is higher in these lenses than it was with Touits. What nobody would want to see is lack of or issues with sensor PDAF or hunting AF like with Touits. Purely quessing here, but there is a lot of new stuff in these lenses for a pure inhouse effort from Zeiss. And they were launched about 24 before Sony press event; maybe we'll see a new FE body today afterall.