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Hi all,

I have a Nikon D3200 and I currently use the 18-55mm kit lens and the 35mm prime. I now want to invest in a new zoom lens. I want to use it for taking up close ups of musicians performing in venues on the smaller side of things (not stadiums or large concert halls) and also I'm interested in photographing wildlife (nothing too exotic here in the UK, probably stationary birds, squirrels, rabbits) and sometimes flying aircraft at airshows.

I am drawn mainly to the AF-S DX VR Zoom-Nikkor 55-200mm f/4-5
6G IF-ED,
(old model with VR I) and the AF-S DX NIKKOR 55-300mm f/4.5-5.6G ED VR (which supposedly has VR II - can someone please confirm?). Will these lenses cope with potentially low indoor lighting without flash? Should I consider the cheaper Sigma or Tamron equivalent?

Thanks everyone,

J
 
Hi all,

I have a Nikon D3200 and I currently use the 18-55mm kit lens and the 35mm prime. I now want to invest in a new zoom lens. I want to use it for taking up close ups of musicians performing in venues on the smaller side of things (not stadiums or large concert halls) and also I'm interested in photographing wildlife (nothing too exotic here in the UK, probably stationary birds, squirrels, rabbits) and sometimes flying aircraft at airshows.

I am drawn mainly to the AF-S DX VR Zoom-Nikkor 55-200mm f/4-5
6G IF-ED,
(old model with VR I) and the AF-S DX NIKKOR 55-300mm f/4.5-5.6G ED VR (which supposedly has VR II - can someone please confirm?). Will these lenses cope with potentially low indoor lighting without flash? Should I consider the cheaper Sigma or Tamron equivalent?

Thanks everyone,

J
Those lenses are painfully slow for indoor shots without a flash. It depends on your budget but given your examples pretty sure you are not looking to spend 2k on a 70-200 2.8 so might i suggest the 80-200 2.8 used. It is just slightly higher than what you are looking for. I don't believe it will AF on your camera but honestly that's a small price to pay for a much faster lens.
 
You need a wide aperture in order to have a reasonable chance of getting a clean shot. Or else you'll be pushing the ISO up to 3200 or 6400 -- which will affect IQ. Look at the EXIF on these samples... most are 1/60 or 1/80 or 1/100 sec @ ISO 1600/2000 range... and mostly f/2.8 (I think) -- so if you were to try this in the f/4 or f/5.6 range, you'd have to at least double the ISO. But maybe that's OK?





























 

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I agree with others about needing f2.8. I got a Sigma 70-200 f2.8 am very happy with it.

An alternative might be to get a prime - a 50mm 1.8 is dirt cheap. An 85mm is more but nothing like the price of a fast long zoom.
 
What about the new Rokinon 135 F2. It is getting very good reviews. That is if you can cope with Manual Focus.

 
Hi all,

I have a Nikon D3200 and I currently use the 18-55mm kit lens and the 35mm prime. I now want to invest in a new zoom lens. I want to use it for taking up close ups of musicians performing in venues on the smaller side of things (not stadiums or large concert halls) and also I'm interested in photographing wildlife (nothing too exotic here in the UK, probably stationary birds, squirrels, rabbits) and sometimes flying aircraft at airshows.

I am drawn mainly to the AF-S DX VR Zoom-Nikkor 55-200mm f/4-5
6G IF-ED,
(old model with VR I) and the AF-S DX NIKKOR 55-300mm f/4.5-5.6G ED VR (which supposedly has VR II - can someone please confirm?). Will these lenses cope with potentially low indoor lighting without flash? Should I consider the cheaper Sigma or Tamron equivalent?

Thanks everyone,

J
For performance shooting, you need f/2.8 or faster. There are many Nikon options. Depending on your wallet: Nikkor 70-200/2.8 VRII, VRI version of this lens, 80-200/2.8, or used copies of several past versions of 80-200/2.8 lenses. All of these are all outstandingly sharp. I have a used 80-200/2.8 AF-S that takes fantastic theater images.

I don't know anything about third-party lenses.
 
Hi all,

I have a Nikon D3200 and I currently use the 18-55mm kit lens and the 35mm prime. I now want to invest in a new zoom lens. I want to use it for taking up close ups of musicians performing in venues on the smaller side of things (not stadiums or large concert halls) and also I'm interested in photographing wildlife (nothing too exotic here in the UK, probably stationary birds, squirrels, rabbits) and sometimes flying aircraft at airshows.

I am drawn mainly to the AF-S DX VR Zoom-Nikkor 55-200mm f/4-5
6G IF-ED,
(old model with VR I) and the AF-S DX NIKKOR 55-300mm f/4.5-5.6G ED VR (which supposedly has VR II - can someone please confirm?). Will these lenses cope with potentially low indoor lighting without flash? Should I consider the cheaper Sigma or Tamron equivalent?

Thanks everyone,

J
The 18-55 is most likely too short, unless you get close to the subject?

Next up may be a 16-85VR, to get you to 85. A 85 1.8 prime for low light use.

Next up is a 18-140

check with your venue what kind of equipment you can use. The 16-85, 18-140 may be small enough to bring in. Then you can consider a Sigma 17-50 2.8 or 17-70 2.8-4 for more speed in the low light.

A 55-200VR is a nice lens but may be too big for concerts? May depend on security & who checks how big your lens are. A 70-200 2.8 would be best.

For birds & stuff a 55-200VR or a 55-300 makes a nice mate with a 18-55. For the aircraft a 70-300VR comes into play with faster focus. Makes a nice mate with the 16-85.
 
Of course a faster lens has more potential to be more flexible for your needs in concerts but it does not mean a slower lens is impossible to use for this application.

Our church has one of worst illumination I knew and I was using a slow and "dated" lens, the old lady Nikkor 80-400 AFD I bought on 2002. I had the luck to use this time my D810 but I have a ton of closely similar shots even with my D300S and D200 (OK, probably with a slightly better light)!































All the best,

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I also agree. Though if it is something you are serious about I would strongly think about the 70-200 f/2.8. The Tamron VC version gets good reviews and is a good bit cheaper. There are a couple in my area craigslist right now under $1000. I think the money would be really well spent.

Fantastic photos by the way 1971_M5! Loved them!
 
You can do a lot with the Nikon 85mm f/1.8G, and it's quite sharp at f/1.8. Chief limitation is that it has no VR.

For theatre, I've also used the Tamron 70-300mm f/4-5.6 VC, which is quite good, but not ideal. I suspect that it might be better than your original suggestions, as it is known to have a good optical stabilisation system.
 
I'd suggest taking a look at the older Nikkor 80-200mm 2.8 lenses. They'll give you a very good ratio for concert venues, and excellent low-light capabilities. If you add a 1.4 TC, you can cover just about anything. I bought a push-pull D 1986 version recently on eBay for $280, from a Japanese eBay store. Though listed as "used", it looks and works like a brand new lens. Not a mark on it, and super sharp.

But no matter which lens length you choose, I'll repeat what others here have said and strongly suggest sticking with 2.8, especially if shooting in low light. While you can certainly work-around a slower lens in bad light with some extra effort, wouldn't you rather spend that effort on composition and such, instead of battling with high ISO noise, etc.?

In the end, the extra money you'll spend is definitely worth it.






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Here's one thing to say for asking about lens selection: You'll always find someone here willing to spend your money for you!

The 55-200mm VR (original) can be had at a tremendous price. It's a cheap way to get into telephoto... among the cheapest. It's a decent optic by most accounts.

VR... no matter what you do, get a lens with VR. It helps keep the focus point on the part of the subject you want in focus. Just remember that soft images will result not only from camera shake but also from subject movement so you'll have to keep shutter speeds up (and ISO up in darker venues) regardless of VR.

As for noise @ high ISO... how did we cope 5 years ago or 25 years ago (pre-digital)? You can do lots with a D3200 & a 55-200mm VR original. If you have a bigger budget and can still afford Kraft Dinner... then go crazy! <I jest>

Having shot concerts, I've used everything from wide angle to super tele, film and digital. 200mm doesn't get one far depending on the venue/ arrangements (access)... but you mention smaller venues. That said, an "all-in-one" wonder-zoom will give you greater flexibility without the need to change lenses. Nikon's 18-140mm VR may not be quite as long but a lens like that will prevent the need to change lenses (assuming you have just one body). It also operates at just f/4.8 @ 50mm so its aperture is only a fraction off the 55-200mm @ the same (similar) focal length. (I have the Sigma 18-250mm OS Macro; I'd even suggest considering a lens like that (f/5.6@ up to 155mm, f/6@185-210 and f/6.3@ only 210mm+).

Regardless, in my experience, doubling focal length IS meaningfully different but the difference between 140 and 200mm... not so much. Between 140 & 250mm @ f/6.3 in variable lighting conditions... mmm, maybe, maybe not. I have no shortage of other lenses (primes, zooms/ Nikon, 3rd party) but, the more I think about it, the more I might recommend the Sigma. YMMV Depends a bit on price (it was around $300 USD recently, maybe less).

Anyway, with the an all-in-one-wonder (18-140 or 18-250, etc.), you could sell the 18-55 and recoup some of the cost of the new lens. A refurb from a reputable seller may be worth considering. (18-140 or 55-200, I would consiider buying a refurb Nikon: although I rarely if ever see them, I would be reluctant to buy a refurb Sigma. My double standard for whatever reason: Maybe I would if I trust the seller)

If you get an all-in-one type lens, it gets you some telephoto reach without breaking the bank. You can then save up for something with MUCH more reach (e.g. Tamron 150-600). They you'd have 18-600mm covered in 2 lenses... at a price-point that was not available to shooters before last year. (you'd just want a 2nd body then to avoid lens changes altogether) All of that said, you could keep the 18-55 and go for the Tamron from the get-go which is f/5 @ 150mm through 200mm. (I'd still like something like the 18-140 to cover the 55-150mm gap, however)

OTOH, if you insist on keeping the 18-55, elsewhere the Tamron 70-300mm VC USD was mentioned: that's a nice alternative to the 55-200mm VR but it's a fair bit more money. I'd seriously consider the 2 lens solution based on the 18-140 but only you know how much that leaves for Kraft Dinner! ;)

f/2.8, f/2, f/1.8, etc.... For variable lighting, a dream team could be the Sigma 18-35mm f/1.8 and a Sigma 50-150mm f/2.8 OS (discontinued IIRC) or 70-200mm f/2.8 VR/ OS/ VRII/ VC blah blah blah). That would still be lacking for recreational telephoto/ bird photography by most people's accounts (mine included), however, but great for low light.

Going back to your question about the 55-200 VR I, it's a relatively inexpensive solution and not a bad one. By my reckoning, 200 vs 300 VR models... I'd opt for the 300mm only if the price was compelling but I think the 200 VR can be had ridiculously inexpensively if you shop and, for birds, 200 or 300 is still kind of short unless you're REALLY lucky or blessed (with either locations or talent) in which case you may continue to lust for more reach.

If it were me, in order to do it just once, I'd get the Nikon 18-140mm VR, sell the 18-55, and, as you can, buy a Tamron 150-600 (and eventually a 2nd body). Lower light lenses like 85mm f/1.8 or 1.4 -- and primes in general -- are great but you can't always zoom with your feet. If the 150-600 is never going to be a consideration, then I might opt for the Sigma 18-250mm OS Macro Sigma and sell the 18-55 or, if keeping the 18-55, add either the 55-200mm VR I or the Tamron 70-300mm VC USD (if the price wasn't too much different), opting for the 55-300mm VR only if the price was really compelling.

Sorry for the stream of consciousness-type reply. No matter which way you go, there are 500 other ways you could have gone and each way has its pros and cons. Regardless, there you have it. I can spend your money for you, too! lol

This is a place for discussion. Let us know what you think.
 
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