Hasa
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Amazing pano! I am impressed: no feathered friends got hurt in the stitching process. Did you try the enblend or smartblend plugins in PTgui?
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JP Scherrer
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Not to be nasty, but I believe Reilly found a way to STOP the bløødy birds moving while he was shooting his panorama !
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JP Scherrer
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I never tried it, but I heard that it's very good, although it has quite a steep learning curve !
I guess that, if I hadn't bought PTGui Pro and Autopano Pro, I would start learning Hugin !! It looks full of possibilities !
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Been using Hugin too and it works well. Didn't notice much of a learning curve. Here's one from yesterday using 3 shots, taken from a natural rock bowl so the ground actually is curved up on the sides.
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Reilly Diefenbach
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I have tried all available plugins in the past under previous versions, to no avail. Version 10 Pro is better and I use it often. The increased speed is nice too.
Another handheld goose job:
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Autopano Pro Finished in CC
Hasa
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Thank you Reilly for taking the trouble to post these - very informative indeed - and beautifully swirling flocks of geese. Looks like PTgui is the odd one out here!
Masking out geese to avoid 'carnage' in PTgui is indeed tedious and difficult with all those birds. How few seconds do you have between each shot? I suspect your trigger finger is lightning fast?
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About a second per shot, probably. I love the fall migration!
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In THIS case, I guess the best is to shoot BURST, and rotate while shooting !
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I've used a lot of different stitching apps over the years, starting with QTVRAS, moving to Realviz (then Autodesk) Stitcher, PTGUI and now Autopano Giga. I bought APG rather than upgrade PTGUI to Pro because it stitched the same images more accurately, and with better blending. As far as I know, they both share the same underlying engine (Panotools), but APG has IMHO a better matching, stitching & antighost system.
A small example - when adding manual control points, APG lets you drag marquees over the corresponding areas in a pair of images, and then runs the pattern matching over that area to generate 20 or 30 control points in that area.
Like all panoramic software, the UI is rudimentary in the way that all applications using cross platform UIs are, feeling pretty much like a linux port (on a mac), but it's much more deliberate and designed than PTGUI which always feels at best like a hobbyist effort (anyone who creates a tab interface which wraps around into multiple rows - icemoonprison).
cheers
A small example - when adding manual control points, APG lets you drag marquees over the corresponding areas in a pair of images, and then runs the pattern matching over that area to generate 20 or 30 control points in that area.
Like all panoramic software, the UI is rudimentary in the way that all applications using cross platform UIs are, feeling pretty much like a linux port (on a mac), but it's much more deliberate and designed than PTGUI which always feels at best like a hobbyist effort (anyone who creates a tab interface which wraps around into multiple rows - icemoonprison).
cheers
Reilly: No offense or disrespect intended. You clearly have MUCH more experience than I do. Thanks for sharing the information above. It is helping me in my decision on which one to purchase.
On your point about "Whether it's worth the very steep asking price is another matter" for PTGui; I should point out that I just visited the websites for both software.
For AutoPano; if you want the masking, you need AutoPano Giga for 199 Euro.
For PTGui Pro: It includes the masking, for 149 Euro.
So it is reversed. AutoPano Giga is more expensive for the same features.
If I do not try to stitch a Goose Bomb, will PTGui work well enough?
Cheers,
Neal
a_c_skinner
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To carry on the bird questions:
is one bird on Morecambe Bay, it was going to be a vertical pano, but it didn't work.
is one bird on Morecambe Bay, it was going to be a vertical pano, but it didn't work.
Reilly Diefenbach
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We're here to help :^)
I don't own Giga, because with 36MP panels, you only need a single row 95% of the time, and the Gigapan thing is of limited interest to me. As to masking, it doesn't work a lot of the time anyway and you really don't need it if you have Photoshop. Photoshop is all but essential for geometric corrections, extending sky and content aware fill, not to mention selective noise reduction on the sky, etc.
It's a lot of money for all but the most dedicated pano hound, e.g. me.
You may well have a point, but I don't believe PTGui will do a Gigapan.
I would recommend the trial versions of both programs to have a good long look and see what works for you. If I was limited to one program, I would choose Autopano Pro, because of the near failsafe stitching of problematic series.
Reilly Diefenbach
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Some real nice Lake Country panos there. I've got to get my butt over there and get to snapping!
Thank you, everyone for the great advice and tips and fascinating photos!!
Sadly, Schneider no longer makes the 90/5.6 XL Super Angulon lens for my intended 6x17 camera. It's time to let it go and start using the new D810, 14-24/2.8G, 24-70/2.8G, and 70-200/4. I'll just have to remember what focal lengths to use to keep distortion down.
Sadly, Schneider no longer makes the 90/5.6 XL Super Angulon lens for my intended 6x17 camera. It's time to let it go and start using the new D810, 14-24/2.8G, 24-70/2.8G, and 70-200/4. I'll just have to remember what focal lengths to use to keep distortion down.
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you've got answers from more advanced stitchers for sure, but her's my experience.
i've tried microsoft ice, hugin and photoshop cs6 photo merge.
i've never been dealing with something like storms or birds, so for such complicated subjects maybe you really need PTGui Pro and Autopano Pro, but it's an extreme situation.
for easy single row panoramic panos i find that cs6 works good most of the time, as long as you shot it right considering lens nodal point to avoid parallax errors if you've got objects in the foreground;
i like that i can develop the raws in acr and then stitch them in photoshop without having to convert them or save them in between, giving me quickly a final stitched file in photoshop with still considerable latitude.
with multi row panoramas, very wide views that need more projection control or complicated foregrounds i use hugin; it has plenty of options including masking and assigning your stitching points, a lot of projections to choose from...
as noted it's not the smartest interface but it does a lot for free!
microsoft ice does a good job even with multi raws, but has few options and i don't like to use jpgs, i like to do minimal editing on the raws and the pp the final stitch and this leaves me with less headroom in post.
i often read suggestion to resize files before stitching. My very personal preference is the opposite, i like to have a full size stitch, even if it takes longer, and resize only for output; i find that this makes the auto stitching more precise as well as making my final corrections less evident once resized. it's a pity that some plugins such as dxo viewpoint (perspective correction plugin for ps) don't support very big files, so sometimes i have to resize nonetheless.
ps cs6
from osaka castle at midday . ps cs6
this had to be mad square for a website, although i would have liked another aspect ratio more. something like 16 images, photoshop couldn't deal with this even though i used a homemade panohead to rotate around the lens nodal point. ptgui did but i have to make some corrections.
this are amateur tries and i think the last one is a challenging pano for a software - i know there's MUCH to improve in my shots (perspective, editing, the last one would surely benefit from some lightning... gonna reshoot that now that i'm experimenting with off camera flash), but think hugin did a good job.
before going the more expensive ways you should give hugin a test drive for sure!
you've got answers from more advanced stitchers for sure, but her's my experience.
i've tried microsoft ice, hugin and photoshop cs6 photo merge.
i've never been dealing with something like storms or birds, so for such complicated subjects maybe you really need PTGui Pro and Autopano Pro, but it's an extreme situation.
for easy single row panoramic panos i find that cs6 works good most of the time, as long as you shot it right considering lens nodal point to avoid parallax errors if you've got objects in the foreground;
i like that i can develop the raws in acr and then stitch them in photoshop without having to convert them or save them in between, giving me quickly a final stitched file in photoshop with still considerable latitude.
with multi row panoramas, very wide views that need more projection control or complicated foregrounds i use hugin; it has plenty of options including masking and assigning your stitching points, a lot of projections to choose from...
as noted it's not the smartest interface but it does a lot for free!
microsoft ice does a good job even with multi raws, but has few options and i don't like to use jpgs, i like to do minimal editing on the raws and the pp the final stitch and this leaves me with less headroom in post.
i often read suggestion to resize files before stitching. My very personal preference is the opposite, i like to have a full size stitch, even if it takes longer, and resize only for output; i find that this makes the auto stitching more precise as well as making my final corrections less evident once resized. it's a pity that some plugins such as dxo viewpoint (perspective correction plugin for ps) don't support very big files, so sometimes i have to resize nonetheless.
ps cs6
from osaka castle at midday . ps cs6
this had to be mad square for a website, although i would have liked another aspect ratio more. something like 16 images, photoshop couldn't deal with this even though i used a homemade panohead to rotate around the lens nodal point. ptgui did but i have to make some corrections.
this are amateur tries and i think the last one is a challenging pano for a software - i know there's MUCH to improve in my shots (perspective, editing, the last one would surely benefit from some lightning... gonna reshoot that now that i'm experimenting with off camera flash), but think hugin did a good job.
before going the more expensive ways you should give hugin a test drive for sure!
Hasa
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