D750 banding - questions

[primeshooter]

what about a new camera?I hear there's a great offer on Leica M9's right now...

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Agreed.

It's incredible the fuss people make over an "issue" that in real world shooting would manifest itself maybe in like 1 shot out of several thousands... When there are other cameras like the Leica M9 (much, much, much more expensive, I'd like to point out) where the sensor literally corrodes itself... Now that's what deserves to be called an issue, not this pointless, silly, seldom happening flare blockage stuff...

Oh, for those that don't know what we're talking about: http://www.dpreview.com/articles/8752612172/leica-m9-users-report-sensor-corrosion-issue

But then again that's Leica's problem isn't it, I wouldn't tolerate that either, I notice they offer to replace the sensor and have admitted the issue (wonder how long it took them to do this??). Here in the Scotland, I would have the camera returned on the basis of my statutory rights that a product should be fit for purpose, when it clearly isn't.

Regarding the D750 who's to say how many shots it would manifest itself in? Isn't that really determined by who and what you shoot and in what light? If you shoot this way and it appears in half your shots it's still a flaw, a problem. I don't see why folks just can't admit that.

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[Rick_Hunter]

what about a new camera?I hear there's a great offer on Leica M9's right now...

 

[primeshooter]

what about a new camera?I hear there's a great offer on Leica M9's right now...

 

[Higolandia]

Hi, my second post in dpreview . Well, I´m a new user of this camera. I want to show you some real examples of this "problem". In my case, I´m not being able to reproduce this effect in real situations, because I don´t shot this kind of pictures.

Wedding:

https://flic.kr/p/pJncZc

Portrait:

https://flic.kr/p/pJznN6

Portrait:

https://flic.kr/p/pJh8PQ

 

[sgoldswo]

what about a new camera?I hear there's a great offer on Leica M9's right now...

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Agreed.

It's incredible the fuss people make over an "issue" that in real world shooting would manifest itself maybe in like 1 shot out of several thousands... When there are other cameras like the Leica M9 (much, much, much more expensive, I'd like to point out) where the sensor literally corrodes itself... Now that's what deserves to be called an issue, not this pointless, silly, seldom happening flare blockage stuff...

Oh, for those that don't know what we're talking about: http://www.dpreview.com/articles/8752612172/leica-m9-users-report-sensor-corrosion-issue

But then again that's Leica's problem isn't it, I wouldn't tolerate that either, I notice they offer to replace the sensor and have admitted the issue (wonder how long it took them to do this??). Here in the Scotland, I would have the camera returned on the basis of my statutory rights that a product should be fit for purpose, when it clearly isn't.

Regarding the D750 who's to say how many shots it would manifest itself in? Isn't that really determined by who and what you shoot and in what light? If you shoot this way and it appears in half your shots it's still a flaw, a problem. I don't see why folks just can't admit that.

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One of the reasons the sensor corrosion issue is so controversial is that apparently Leica have been aware of this for about 4 years or so... Leaving that to one side - cobblers non issues like this detract from the resolution of real problems. Ever heard of the boy that cried wolf? -- http://sgoldswoblog.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/sgoldswo/

 

[Rroldz]

what about a new camera?I hear there's a great offer on Leica M9's right now...

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Agreed.

It's incredible the fuss people make over an "issue" that in real world shooting would manifest itself maybe in like 1 shot out of several thousands... When there are other cameras like the Leica M9 (much, much, much more expensive, I'd like to point out) where the sensor literally corrodes itself... Now that's what deserves to be called an issue, not this pointless, silly, seldom happening flare blockage stuff...

Oh, for those that don't know what we're talking about: http://www.dpreview.com/articles/8752612172/leica-m9-users-report-sensor-corrosion-issue

But then again that's Leica's problem isn't it, I wouldn't tolerate that either, I notice they offer to replace the sensor and have admitted the issue (wonder how long it took them to do this??). Here in the Scotland, I would have the camera returned on the basis of my statutory rights that a product should be fit for purpose, when it clearly isn't.

Regarding the D750 who's to say how many shots it would manifest itself in? Isn't that really determined by who and what you shoot and in what light? If you shoot this way and it appears in half your shots it's still a flaw, a problem. I don't see why folks just can't admit that.

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So, let me see if I got this right:

You DON'T own a D750, while both I and Sgoldswo own one.

Me and Sgoldswo have shot a combined number of real world images with our D750s amounting to about 7500 images, several of which were against the light. Not a single of our pictures exhibited this "issue"

BUT, even with these premises, you still want to teach me and Sgoldwso what's the right attitude to have towards this so called "issue"

Do I have to continue or can you see my point here?

Please don't continue, as you have no point. I don't have to own the camera, I have several colleagues that have noticed the issue, long friends that I trust their judgement, and I seen the pictures on here. And judging my nikons recent rep, I can believe it. You don't see or get the issue. I'm pleased for you!

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lol! Pictures that pushes above a DSLR's limitation. So what about the other cameras that exhibit this limitation posted in this forum? IE. The D810, 5DMK3, D610 etc. Are all those also defective? Let me tell you this, I've shot this camera for a total of 3 weddings since my purchase, then there's stage work and a restaurant's grand opening this weekend and this D750 performs as well as my previous cameras with the exemption of better overall IQ. The flare banding supposed issue never presented itself, not on this D750 or D600 that I used for work.

 

[davikabo]

NEWS NUGGET:
I DID IT!!!! I finally got my D750 to flare/band.

DISCLAIMER: Anyone with the slightest knowledge of how light, speed, aperture and ISO are the principles of photography, this will NOT apply!!!

So I cranked up my ISO, stood 2 feet under a lightbulb and panned towards it in liveview. There it was, like a black bear staring me in the face.

This is TOTALLY a non issue for any shooter unless you go out of your way to make it happen. And I mean way out of your way. I know it will never happen in everyday shooting but if you do experience it, then it's time to RTFM.... or simply go to your local library and do some research. May I recommend a good read?
The Digital Photographer's Handbook by Tom Ang.

I can not believe that I wasted the past 10 days reading all of these threads on the net. I'm just glad that it did not deter me from my purchase!!!

 

[sgoldswo]

Hi, my second post in dpreview . Well, I´m a new user of this camera. I want to show you some real examples of this "problem". In my case, I´m not being able to reproduce this effect in real situations, because I don´t shot this kind of pictures.

Wedding:

https://flic.kr/p/pJncZc

Portrait:

https://flic.kr/p/pJznN6

Portrait:

https://flic.kr/p/pJh8PQ

These are the same pictures from the same sources being repeated. Funny how its always the same photos used as evidence.

 

[vazquezji]

Hi, my second post in dpreview . Well, I´m a new user of this camera. I want to show you some real examples of this "problem". In my case, I´m not being able to reproduce this effect in real situations, because I don´t shot this kind of pictures.

Wedding:

https://flic.kr/p/pJncZc

Portrait:

https://flic.kr/p/pJznN6

Portrait:

https://flic.kr/p/pJh8PQ

These are the same pictures from the same sources being repeated. Funny how its always the same photos used as evidence.

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I did post several photos in this post but sadly they were censored.

 

[RanL]

I've seen it claimed several times here that other models, such as the D810, 5D3 and 6D exhibit the same flare-blocking behavior.

I think I've seen videos or still images demonstrating this with a 6D and D810. The thing is, in those demonstrations, the light source was *below* the frame.

Now if the thing only happens when the Sun is *below* the frame, then for me it's a non-issue. In the case of the D750, however, we see examples where the blocked flare thing happens with the Sun *above* the frame, which is, arguably a much more common situation, at least for some photographers.

Have you seen the blocked flare thing on a D810, a 5D3 or a 6D where the light source is *above* the frame?

Ran

 

[Trevor Allen]

This could be a lens fault, causing flare, don't read too much into these images

 

[Rroldz]

Yes! There was a few of them posted in here forum and FM were the flare banding was above. They had 6d, 5d mk 2 & 3, 50d, d810, d610, a few mirror less, old range finder's, etc ... Etc... Calling it a defect is wrong, it's more of a limitation that not only affects D750 but most cameras..

 

[vazquezji]

Yes! There was a few of them posted in here forum and FM were the flare banding was above. They had 6d, 5d mk 2 & 3, 50d, d810, d610, a few mirror less, old range finder's, etc ... Etc... Calling it a defect is wrong, it's more of a limitation that not only affects D750 but most cameras..

Agree.

But D750 is more prone to this effect than the rest of them

 

[Rroldz]

Not really. I take pictures the same way I shoot my other cameras and I have never had any problem with any flare issues..

 

[vazquezji]

Not really. I take pictures the same way I shoot my other cameras and I have never had any problem with any flare issues..

I meant forcing the situation to reproduce the problem. It's quite easier with D750

 

[Rroldz]

Well yes! I can also easily do it on the D600 also but I seem to not be able to do it on my Sony A7. Hmmm!

 

[RanL]

Can you perhaps post a link to any of the videos or stills demonstrating the flare blocking thing on the 6D, 5D2, 5D3, 50D or D810?

Thanks,

Ran

 

[sgoldswo]

Not really. I take pictures the same way I shoot my other cameras and I have never had any problem with any flare issues..

I meant forcing the situation to reproduce the problem. It's quite easier with D750

That must be why I can't get my camera to do it. Perhaps I need to point it at a blast furnace and do a 5 minute long exposure.

 

[primeshooter]

Can you perhaps post a link to any of the videos or stills demonstrating the flare blocking thing on the 6D, 5D2, 5D3, 50D or D810?

Thanks,

Ran

Be interested to see this. So far I've only heard of the 750 being prone to this. I am not saying it happens in every shot or to every camera, but it clearly shouldn't happen.

 

[mrjpack]

I've gotten a photo with flare not blocked at the top. If you are a person who likes to put flare in your image you have to be aware of this issue with the D750. Aware of this issue you can work around it. A circular polarizing filter will also fix the issue. I recommend a CP filter for taking photos in bright sunlight.

Put another way: It's important that you know about this issue but once you know about it it's not important.


I saw the blocked flare in another photo I took and tilted the camera a little to get this one.

Wrong, the sun behind the head would not be ruined by this camera, the sun would have to be out of the frame. We still have not seen a single photo from a wedding photographer that was ruined by this phenomenon. The shots that were posted were garbage to begin with & could have been fixed in post or cropped if they weren't. The issue is there, it does exist, in almost all the cases that have been shown, the flare was so over the top the shots weren't usable or were just provoked by people showing what you can do. It's not a band, its not banding, it's an abscess of flare obviously blocked by some edge in the mirror box. It's something to be aware of, but not anything else...

Yes - behind their heads out of the frame - this does happen on a wedding day you know! The point remains that it shouldn't be happening with a semi professional DSLR and it is a fault. Doesn't matter if the shots you have seen that had it where crap, completely irrelevant. Many people have DSLRs could be just starting out and not be great at picture taking yet but it's besides the point, they should be able to have a fully functioning unit without daft flaws like this flare issue. Everyone starts somewhere.

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I was going to respond, but it all has become to silly. Its a great camera, I highly recommend it. The issue has never shown up for me unless I forced it with a 50 1.8d.....