johnierebel
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The new 7DII were leaked with just a warmed over previous sensor. As one who was hoping for something completive with the Sony sensor, hope just had a stake driven thru the heart. A7R or D810 ? HMMMM!
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No new sensor tech., hit the road, Jack
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meland
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"Something completive with the Sony sensor" ? Well I can honestly say, with my hand on my heart, or anybody else's heart for that matter, that I don't know of anything completive with the Sony sensor (sorry Pete & Dud). But if what you mean is 'competitive with the Sony sensor' I'm not sure how you can judge that until it has been reviewed.
As an aside, wouldn't this be better in the 7D forum?
Albert Silver
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Even Sony hasn't improved their sensors much over the last couple of years, suggesting they too may be reaching their limits. Their D810 sensor is virtually identical to the D800 other than introducing ISO 64. The low ISO is famously far superior to the best Canon offerings, but the High ISO is already inferior to the much cheaper 6D. In the end, I guess it will be about priorities, and then the ergonomics and lens choices. If your world revolves around the sensor, and the Nikon ergonomics and lenses fit your needs and budget, I would not wait around. If not, I would suggest you bookmark this post and be ready to bump it once the 5D4 comes out, as I am certain it too will lag pretty much as much in the low ISO department.
johnierebel
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A typo, my bad, posting before coffee.
The point is canon is not going to produce a larger MP camera. A business decision calculated on cost vs. return.
johnierebel
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I agree, as landscaping photography is the intended use for the next few years.
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meland
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Never? Sure?
Do you believe every rumour you hear?
And .. of course Canon make business decisions when deciding their strategy going forward. Any company that doesn't consider cost vs return is foolish and ultimately doomed.
Just buy what you want - don't wait around for what may or may not happen. And don't whinge just because a multi-million dollar multi national company won't do what you think they should. Maybe, just maybe, they don't care about your opinion. But you would be foolish to think that any other competitive company cares any more! ;-)
The reason that manufacturers aren't dramatically reinventing their sensor tech every few years is due to the massive overhaul of their facilities that they would have to invest in. It would cost hundreds of millions of dollars to create a new facility in order to produce a sensor with smaller architecture than what Canon already has. Sony overhauled their facility a few years back, which is why they are currently ahead. Canon will likely do this in the coming years, but the longer they wait, the more advanced their next generation of sensors will likely be. When Canon does this, they will without a doubt be the industry leader for the next XX years, until Sony (or whoever else) jumps ahead of them. Remember, Canon used to put every other sensor to shame until 2007, when Sony's current generation sensors began to make their way into Nikon bodies.
Believe me, when Canon actually has new sensor tech, we will know about it waaaay before we see any new cameras with it.
Believe me, when Canon actually has new sensor tech, we will know about it waaaay before we see any new cameras with it.
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Potemkin_Photo
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Yes indeed! Don't "whinge" lest you "loose" an opportunity. Really guys, learn your words please.
johnierebel
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If a tweaking of the circuits on the sensor would have improved DR & more likely signal noise I suspect Canon would have done this sooner.
johnierebel
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I agree, a calculation has been made, the return is not there on investment in the view of Canon. So I shall go to plan "B". Thanks for your comments everyone.
MoreorLess
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When it comes to Canon's weakness in low ISO DR I wouldn't say that a camera like the 7D mk2 would be that badly effected by it. The 7D mk1 on release you could argue was styled as more of an all rounder but it seems pretty clear to me that the 7D mk2 is aimed at sports/wildlife use where extreme lifting of shadows and indeed shooting at base ISO is less likely.
I wouldn't actually be surprised if this explains why Canon is releasing an action ASPC camera where as Nikon is releasing an all rounder FF camera in the D750, Better for Canon to focus on its strengths of action shooting until sensor tech aimed at high resolution shooting is ready.
I wouldn't actually be surprised if this explains why Canon is releasing an action ASPC camera where as Nikon is releasing an all rounder FF camera in the D750, Better for Canon to focus on its strengths of action shooting until sensor tech aimed at high resolution shooting is ready.
bhollis
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Assuming Canon really is working on new sensor tech with better low-ISO DR (and I have to believe they are), I never really expected to see it debuted in the 7D replacement. Far more likely we'll see it in a new 5D or 1D.
So here's hoping you're wrong.
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Not really a surprise, here. The 7D Mark II was always going to be a fast action crop camera with good build quality and excellent AF, just like the first 7D, not a platform for Canon's latest sensor technology from an image quality standpoint. If Canon ever do catch up with, surpass (not likely IMO) or approach Exmor, it will be in a 1D-style high-resolution body, if I had to guess. That's why I stopped waiting. I still enjoy my Canon gear, though.
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RyanBoston
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Exactly a good point. Hopefully Canon will improve the high iso quality as this is where the performance is needed.
I do not see them improving low iso read noise cause this camera is not aimed for these types of shooters, although it would be nice to have a complete package all in one as most of us were hoping for.
+1
from what i hear in these threads a majority of canon camera owners are satisfied with their cameras. for the very few who aren't, specifically with DR, they can embrace sony or nikon at any time, who make superb products ;-) i and many other owners of canon 5D3, 1Dx, 1Dmk4, and other cameras will happily stick with our gear, not to mention a wide fabulous lens collection. i personally, am waiting for a better focusing, noise controlling aps-c camera and hoping the new anticipating 7DII will be such a camera ;-)
cheerz.
I think tweaking has consequences based upon the pull-pull theory of results. One is able to improve on one aspect at the expense of another. If no one is looking at the negative aspect, the result is an improvement even though the benefits of the pushed tweak pulled negatively from somewhere else.
Ignore the OP. he's a troll.
bronxbombers4
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It doesn't sound like they have any plans to bother soon. Some supposed vague semi-insiders claim that they realize their bodies will fall way behind, but marketing feels that people are too entrenched in the system and their name is too big for people to care about DR so they don't feel like spending any money on new fabs any time soon.
Hopefully it's not true, but it sure seems more and more like it.
The 5D4 next spring will make it clear one way or the other.
I really hope I don't have to switch to Nikon.
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