Another FX camera coming soon? Part Two

[brianric]

2) my prediction: d810 body with lower MP.

And you will cannibalize sales of the D810.

No doubt about it, but.....what is the goal of a company? To maximize sales of one product, or to maximize sales across the board?

I'd say that Nikon gross sales would be higher with both a D710 & D810.

Goal of the company is to maximize profit. If camera X brings in twice as much net profit as camera Y, you have to sell twice as many camera Y for each loss sale of camera X.

Agreed. And? Maybe Nikon should only sell D4s's. Wait, we don't know the profit of any of the cameras or the specific sales breakdown either.

True, but Nikon crippled the Df enough so as not to take sales away from D4/D4S. I doubt you'll see a D810 body with 24 MP.

 

[ralittle2]

2) my prediction: d810 body with lower MP.

And you will cannibalize sales of the D810.

No doubt about it, but.....what is the goal of a company? To maximize sales of one product, or to maximize sales across the board?

I'd say that Nikon gross sales would be higher with both a D710 & D810.

Goal of the company is to maximize profit. If camera X brings in twice as much net profit as camera Y, you have to sell twice as many camera Y for each loss sale of camera X.

Agreed. And? Maybe Nikon should only sell D4s's. Wait, we don't know the profit of any of the cameras or the specific sales breakdown either.

True, but Nikon crippled the Df enough so as not to take sales away from D4/D4S. I doubt you'll see a D810 body with 24 MP.

We are talking about market potential, but, to me, the Df is the ultimate niche camera. I'm not saying it's a bad camera.. just that it's market is limited to the nostalgia crowd. The idea probably sounded better than the reality.

To put a positive spin on it, since the Df will never sell in big numbers, Nikon would do better to sell something that actually would sell in much bigger numbers. There are a lot of folks who constantly complain (and I'm one of them) about not making a new camera to more closely replace the D700.

Nikon chose a different strategy when they decided to produce the D800, and it was obviously a good one, but why not expand your market further with a D710? To me, it's a win, win.

 

[oscarc]

2) my prediction: d810 body with lower MP.

From your lips to Nikons ears. I'm one of those who want the full magnesium D810 pro body and controls but don't need or want the 36MP capability. I had already talked my self into getting the D810 and just shooting at the lower resolution of FX: 5520 x 3680=20MP. Then I saw this thread so now I'm in a holding pattern.

I want a pro camera body with great ISO, descent frames per second, and has good image quality. I could care less about video, GPS, WiFi, Navigation, text or email capabilities or any other capabilities I don't need. I have dedicated tools for those other needs. I just want a solidly built body that will take good photographs, will be issue free, and will be fun to use.

I may be in the minority.

 

[Truman Prevatt]

2) my prediction: d810 body with lower MP.

And you will cannibalize sales of the D810.

No doubt about it, but.....what is the goal of a company? To maximize sales of one product, or to maximize sales across the board?

I'd say that Nikon gross sales would be higher with both a D710 & D810.

Goal of the company is to maximize profit. If camera X brings in twice as much net profit as camera Y, you have to sell twice as many camera Y for each loss sale of camera X.

There is another factor involved. The inventory of sensors they have on hand. Sensors are bought in large runs. Sensors that don't go into cameras make no revenue sitting on the shelf. If they sit too long the company ends up eating them.

I expect the Df used the surplus of the D4 sensors as the D4s was released. So the question becomes what sensors does Nikon have on the shelf that they need to move and what niche in the market can they meet with those sensors?

 

[ralittle2]

So the question becomes what sensors does Nikon have on the shelf that they need to move and what niche in the market can they meet with those sensors?

 

[chuxter]

We'll see in a few weeks (I hope) what they think we want.

I don't know. I think they know what we want. I think we will find out in a couple of weeks what they are willing to give us.

What I want is ALL Nikon dSLRs to have the flip-down AI tab of the Df. The old F3 had this, but after that, Nikon dropped that neat feature...until resurrecting it on the Df. Bring it back, I say!!!

I think the F4 had the flip-up meter coupling ridge, not sure about F5 and F6 though a quick internet scan suggests they don't have it. The original FE and FM did but the FE2 and FM2 did not.

I found this list of bodies w/ a folding AI tab:

Df, F4, F3, F2A, FM, FE, EL2, Nikkormat FT3

http://www.aiconversions.com/compatibilitytable.htm

I wonder if it's possible to modify the ring that the AI tab is attached to? I looks like a simple part. Or replace it with one w/ a folding AI tab?

Like can I buy the AI ring for the Df and put it on my D810? Yes, I know I will need to machine a small depression in the body to accept the tab when it's folded out of the way. That is not too difficult [I have a Bridgeport mill]. Passivating the Mg and painting would be the biggest issue, I think?

 

[Shotcents]

2) my prediction: d810 body with lower MP.

And you will cannibalize sales of the D810.

No doubt about it, but.....what is the goal of a company? To maximize sales of one product, or to maximize sales across the board?

I'd say that Nikon gross sales would be higher with both a D710 & D810.

Goal of the company is to maximize profit. If camera X brings in twice as much net profit as camera Y, you have to sell twice as many camera Y for each loss sale of camera X.

There is another factor involved. The inventory of sensors they have on hand. Sensors are bought in large runs. Sensors that don't go into cameras make no revenue sitting on the shelf. If they sit too long the company ends up eating them.

I expect the Df used the surplus of the D4 sensors as the D4s was released. So the question becomes what sensors does Nikon have on the shelf that they need to move and what niche in the market can they meet with those sensors?

 

[Shotcents]

2) my prediction: d810 body with lower MP.

And you will cannibalize sales of the D810.

No doubt about it, but.....what is the goal of a company? To maximize sales of one product, or to maximize sales across the board?

I'd say that Nikon gross sales would be higher with both a D710 & D810.

Goal of the company is to maximize profit. If camera X brings in twice as much net profit as camera Y, you have to sell twice as many camera Y for each loss sale of camera X.

Agreed. And? Maybe Nikon should only sell D4s's. Wait, we don't know the profit of any of the cameras or the specific sales breakdown either.

True, but Nikon crippled the Df enough so as not to take sales away from D4/D4S. I doubt you'll see a D810 body with 24 MP.

Most shooters I know bought the Df as a 2nd or 3rd body, myself included.

I have a feeling that this made up a LOT of Df sales. A D8XX and Df is a killer combo and a D8XX, D4s and Df is even better. Each of these cameras leads in some respect for their price range.

A new DSLR can change all of this!

Robert

 

[ralittle2]

Each of these cameras leads in some respect for their price range.

A new DSLR can change all of this!

Robert

Agreed, but a D710 would also lead in areas that no other Nikon, or Canon for that matter, lead in. A higher fps D710 would fit in nicely just as the D700 did.

 

[rayman 2]

I talked to a friend about it.. it must have been presented to a very few people more then a month ago and is a new.. new everything thing.. thats what he said.... has built in wifi... is

very far away from the current Nikon line......

 

[sandy b]

Wow, I didn't figure that for this year. That may get a bit of a buzz going around here. How techno? Ovf or EVF?

 

[Tom Ames]

A completly new designed FX camera with wifi and tilt screen would be nice. Nikon need to put in some modern stuff and also look at the size of their cameras. I guess that is what they have done now, if your source is right.

 

[Truman Prevatt]

2) my prediction: d810 body with lower MP.

And you will cannibalize sales of the D810.

No doubt about it, but.....what is the goal of a company? To maximize sales of one product, or to maximize sales across the board?

I'd say that Nikon gross sales would be higher with both a D710 & D810.

Goal of the company is to maximize profit. If camera X brings in twice as much net profit as camera Y, you have to sell twice as many camera Y for each loss sale of camera X.

There is another factor involved. The inventory of sensors they have on hand. Sensors are bought in large runs. Sensors that don't go into cameras make no revenue sitting on the shelf. If they sit too long the company ends up eating them.

I expect the Df used the surplus of the D4 sensors as the D4s was released. So the question becomes what sensors does Nikon have on the shelf that they need to move and what niche in the market can they meet with those sensors?

 

[ralittle2]

I talked to a friend about it.. it must have been presented to a very few people more then a month ago and is a new.. new everything thing.. thats what he said.... has built in wifi... is

very far away from the current Nikon line......

Wow, didn't see that one coming!

 

[Digetydog]

2) my prediction: d810 body with lower MP.

And you will cannibalize sales of the D810.

The key is to offer the right price/features that will get people to buy the "light" version who won't pay for a d810.

 

[brianric]

2) my prediction: d810 body with lower MP.

And you will cannibalize sales of the D810.

No doubt about it, but.....what is the goal of a company? To maximize sales of one product, or to maximize sales across the board?

I'd say that Nikon gross sales would be higher with both a D710 & D810.

Goal of the company is to maximize profit. If camera X brings in twice as much net profit as camera Y, you have to sell twice as many camera Y for each loss sale of camera X.

Agreed. And? Maybe Nikon should only sell D4s's. Wait, we don't know the profit of any of the cameras or the specific sales breakdown either.

True, but Nikon crippled the Df enough so as not to take sales away from D4/D4S. I doubt you'll see a D810 body with 24 MP.

We are talking about market potential, but, to me, the Df is the ultimate niche camera. I'm not saying it's a bad camera.. just that it's market is limited to the nostalgia crowd. The idea probably sounded better than the reality.

To put a positive spin on it, since the Df will never sell in big numbers, Nikon would do better to sell something that actually would sell in much bigger numbers. There are a lot of folks who constantly complain (and I'm one of them) about not making a new camera to more closely replace the D700.

Nikon chose a different strategy when they decided to produce the D800, and it was obviously a good one, but why not expand your market further with a D710? To me, it's a win, win.

What makes you think that everyone who bought the Df bought it for nostalgia. Quite a few Df owners, and I'm one of them, bought it for the Df sensor.

 

[ralittle2]

2) my prediction: d810 body with lower MP.

And you will cannibalize sales of the D810.

The key is to offer the right price/features that will get people to buy the "light" version who won't pay for a d810.

But it doesn't have to be a "D810-light." A camera more like the D700 than the D610 would offer features that aren't stripped down. Now, a D610 with a couple of gizmo's like GPS and Wifi would just be trumped up D610. Yes on the first, but no on the second.

 

[brianric]

2) my prediction: d810 body with lower MP.

From your lips to Nikons ears. I'm one of those who want the full magnesium D810 pro body and controls but don't need or want the 36MP capability. I had already talked my self into getting the D810 and just shooting at the lower resolution of FX: 5520 x 3680=20MP. Then I saw this thread so now I'm in a holding pattern.

I want a pro camera body with great ISO, descent frames per second, and has good image quality. I could care less about video, GPS, WiFi, Navigation, text or email capabilities or any other capabilities I don't need. I have dedicated tools for those other needs. I just want a solidly built body that will take good photographs, will be issue free, and will be fun to use.

I may be in the minority.

You're not. I wished I held off on my order for a D810 and just waited to see what pans out.

 

[PatrickP]

I talked to a friend about it.. it must have been presented to a very few people more then a month ago and is a new.. new everything thing.. thats what he said.... has built in wifi... is

very far away from the current Nikon line......

wow. that sound like

1) A new full frame mirrorless from Nikon , or,

2) The transitional model going from OVF/F-mount to EVF/hybrid

Looks more likely 2) than 1) at this point.

Technologically it is totally feasible to have a Nikon 1 full-frame version. Look at the A7 24mp sensor with PDAF built in...

My biggest fear is a new mount, or F-mount with new electrical contacts. Imagine a whole new line of gold ring lenses with STM support (AF-S only with the old mount) only enabled on the new line of camera...

 

[ralittle2]

What makes you think that everyone who bought the Df bought it for nostalgia. Quite a few Df owners, and I'm one of them, bought it for the Df sensor.

Fair enough. My bad. Perhaps I was swayed by Nikon's advertising to say that. What I really meant was that the look and feel of the Df is more akin to the Nikon film cameras, and might sway some of the folks who haven't delved into DSLR's into purchasing it. My father is one of those old-school types that I'm specifically speaking of except it didn't work on him. He first bought a Panasonic FZ-200, but found it lacking so he bought a Sony RX-10. He wanted to go light.

I want a FF DSLR with the body of the D810 and the speed of the D700. Give me that and my credit card is ready. My apologies on my presumption. I oversimplified and overlooked some important aspects of the Df.