EM10 video unusable - a6000 quality?

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so after putting together a snippit from some footage i had...i realized while u can watch the output of the em10, I also got nauseous watching. It does the trick to archive it, but i cant really have others watch. how is the a6000 quality? I've seen some samples on YouTube, but not knowing any more than just seeing the footage, i wanted to get any first hand knowledge...
 
so after putting together a snippit from some footage i had...i realized while u can watch the output of the em10, I also got nauseous watching. It does the trick to archive it, but i cant really have others watch. how is the a6000 quality? I've seen some samples on YouTube, but not knowing any more than just seeing the footage, i wanted to get any first hand knowledge...
Don't have an A6000 but I think the video quality is good.

Philip Bloom (one of the leading video bloggers).

http://philipbloom.net/

His earlier short review, well he likes it.

He has used it in place of the A7s (that was not available) for his latest effort on the site (paid by Sony but he is not a Sony fanboy)
 
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Thanks great example. I mean i'm not a pro, but the em10 feels so jerky. that looked utterly smooth...might have had a tripod or other rigging though. but very high quality.

for stills - have been torn given the touch AF of the em10 vs the CAF. but the video might be nudging me out.

would have to sell a few m43 lenses and the em10 - to make the move.
 
so after putting together a snippit from some footage i had...i realized while u can watch the output of the em10, I also got nauseous watching.
the footage was bouncing around? that's operator error while holding the camera, not an issue with picture quality.
 
Video quality means a great deal to me. It made me switch from Canon to a Sony A33 way back when, because it provided continuous focusing while the Canon did not, making the Canon 100% pointless to me for video. Since then, I've discovered that it's more like Minolta 2.0, with top notch IQ for photos, and extras for video. The video contribution is Sony I feel, because they've been really good at it for pro equipment.

Then after than I switched to the A57, because the stabilization worked much better on it, plus 60 fps video, making it smooth. 60 fps is smooth. Anything below, is not. Don't belief for a split second, anyone claiming otherwise.

But then I got annoyed with the graininess of the A57 video is even moderate low light. I tried an A3000 as a second camera for the wife mainly, and there already, it showed that E-mount was so much better than A-mount for video. Smooth silent quick auto focusing, and better in low light. Then got excited over the A6000, and to me, it had "major milestone" written all over it. And it turned out it is. For the price, look what you get, it's pretty much *the* best deal there is, period. Image quality is very good, low light is good, resolution is good, tons of auto focusing features, it's *fast*, and video is great on it!

I think that for video it does full sensor readout - which is a biggie, because it means very good quality in low light. Sharpness wise, it doesn't cheat. What I mean by that, is that it doesn't apply a sharpening algorithm to make it look better than what it really is. Samsung does that for instance. But who are they fooling? Not me! Sharpened video is more difficult to compress and causes much more artifacts! If you want sharpest playback, it's WAY better to sharpen during playback. For that, I use mplayer. That's on Linux, but there mplayer based players for the other platforms as well. It can sharpen in real time, at playback. The end result can be just as crisp as Samsung video, except, then, without the artifacts.

You need a good lens for video. My favorite is the 18-105 f/4 G lens. It is f/4 constant across the range. It's nice and sharp. Much higher quality than an 18-200 lens. It has power zoom and also manual zoom. The stabilization which is always lens based with E-mount, is very good!

I think that the *only* camera that does video better would have to be the GH4, but the cost is absurd on that one.

Get the A6000, I highly doubt you'd be disappointed! If size is ok, skip the kit lens, and fast forward straight for the 18-105 lens! It's definitely a bit of cash, but it's nice, and it's good!
 
not sure of that...slow pan and you can just see this. I just watched again. it was at dusk with the 25mm olympus lens. the camera was constantly refocusing in/out. a simple pan looking out over the ocean. the wife took the same video with her iphone and seems fine to me. not to say i'm not prone to operator error lol

- this is a good example of what i'm seeing. the 30fps. maybe it's me with my video.
 
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The a6000 will focus better I think but the jerkiness will probably be similar. I don't think you should buy the a6000 just to avoid jerkiness (it won't be a big difference).

If you are seeing a lot of jerkiness, you should try using a lens with image stabilization or a camera that has it built-in and make sure it is turned on. You should also try using a "fast" lens (ie. low F-number) if you can.

Finally, see if changing the frame rate (24fps vs 30fps vs 60fps or whatever is supported) makes a difference.

Oh, one more thing, it is also possible your computer or whatever you are using to view is too slow. Try playing it back on a different machine and see.
 
first off, the differences seen in that youtube video are 100% operator error, because the guy who uploaded the 30i example on the left side did not deinterlace it correctly.

see the "ghosting" example in the screen shot below... if the left side had been deinterlaced correctly, both sides would look the same.

if you shoot the em10 video in 30p/60p mode, you'll never have to worry about deinterlacing.

the refocusing you are seeing is because the video is being shot with autofocus turned on all the time... pro video shooters never use autofocus, because they use parfocal lenses, that stay in focus throughout the zoom range.

even cheap camcorders have semi-parfocal lenses, unlike most all dslr/slr lenses.



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The em10 only has 30fps. Maybe it's operator error. But kept the camera as still as possible and did a slow pan across the ocean/beach...maybe a devoted video camera would be easier lol.
 
The em10 only has 30fps. Maybe it's operator error. But kept the camera as still as possible and did a slow pan across the ocean/beach...maybe a devoted video camera would be easier lol.
I don't know, I have looked at lots and lots of em10 videos from youtube to vimeo, and they all exhibit the same issue you are describing. I am going to go out on a limb and say they can't all be user error.

To me, it appears that the em10 cannot record at a solid 30fps. It feels more like footage that was telecined up to 30fps, resulting in telecine judder.
 
so after putting together a snippit from some footage i had...i realized while u can watch the output of the em10, I also got nauseous watching. It does the trick to archive it, but i cant really have others watch. how is the a6000 quality? I've seen some samples on YouTube, but not knowing any more than just seeing the footage, i wanted to get any first hand knowledge...
show up your video, if possible ?
 

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