Sony a6000 for for bird in flight and wildlife..good choice?

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I have a one year old NEX6..have been happy with shots taken with Kit and I also bought a portrait lens later.Recently tried bird photography(in flight) and realized I need a telephoto lens with zoom.

The store I went suggested me to upgrade to Sonya6000 and buy a sony Lens for birding.I have read about the 11fps and AF tracking of the a6000. I can sell my NEX6 for around 500$.

My question is will a6000 be a good body for BIF and wildlife photography ?

If I use Canon or Nikor lenses on Sony a6000..with adapter..would there be a performance loss?

Thanks

Sunny
 
My question is will a6000 be a good body for BIF and wildlife photography ?

If I use Canon or Nikor lenses on Sony a6000..with adapter..would there be a performance loss?

Thanks

Sunny
Wrong board, there is a E-mount specific board:

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/1042

But to answer your question...No. The A600 isn't optimized for BIF photography. Your best bet is a A6000 + LA-EA2 + Sigma 50-500 OS HSM but your better off getting a A77ii at that point.

Your not going to get fast AF with Nikon/Canon lenses so if your OK with BIF with MF than that is also always an option.

If you go down the LA-EA2 roand than you might as well keep the Nex-6 unless you need more MP for cropping.
 
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My question is will a6000 be a good body for BIF and wildlife photography ?

If I use Canon or Nikor lenses on Sony a6000..with adapter..would there be a performance loss?

Thanks

Sunny
Wrong board, there is a E-mount specific board:

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/1042

But to answer your question...No. The A600 isn't optimized for BIF photography. Your best bet is a A6000 + LA-EA2 + Sigma 50-500 OS HSM but your better off getting a A77ii at that point.
The A6000 is *very* good for BIF, expect for the lens limitations. There is a guy that has been posting BIF photos using an 55-210 lens with a 1.7x tele converter on top of it (not one that sits in between the lens and body, but one that sits at the end of the lens, which means no light loss). Focusing is *very* good. Pretty much instant, finds and tracks objects beautifully, and it can see everywhere in the frame.

I agree of course that this post is in the wrong forum, but to slap a little something at the end giving the impression that the A6000 isn't good for BIF is just not true. Lens wise, yes, that gets frustrating. About 350mm is as far as you can go using that converter. But for AF? No problemo !
 
The A6000 is *very* good for BIF, expect for the lens limitations. There is a guy that has been posting BIF photos using an 55-210 lens with a 1.7x tele converter on top of it (not one that sits in between the lens and body, but one that sits at the end of the lens, which means no light loss). Focusing is *very* good. Pretty much instant, finds and tracks objects beautifully, and it can see everywhere in the frame.
That's your opinion, not mine. I'll agree to disagree.
 
The store I went suggested me to upgrade to Sonya6000 and buy a sony Lens for birding.I have read about the 11fps and AF tracking of the a6000. I can sell my NEX6 for around 500$.

My question is will a6000 be a good body for BIF and wildlife photography ?
First answer is: Yes. The A6000 body, and all its developments in focus ability, is an excellent tool for wildlife and birding - the focus is immensely fast, very accurate, it has very good controls with excellent customization, and it's one of the first mirrorless cameras with a large sensor that can legitimately focus continuously on a moving subject as well as a DSLR.

Second answer is: No. Why? Well if you need a good diversity of lenses that fully autofocus, or are stabilized, the e-mount system currently does not go past 210mm. So the reach is not very good for most birding needs for most people. There are ways to extend that reach with extenders and adapters, however this might only work in certain locations where light is abundant.

DSLR lenses can be used on the e-mount cameras, via adapters - some of these adapters would allow use of Alpha lenses at the same general speed and functionality of Sony's SLT models, since they actually use an SLT mirror and PDAF array right in the adapter...other adapters would have slower autofocus, or none at all.

Third answer is: It Depends. Why? There's a mighty big difference between birding and wildlife shooting in northern Minnesota, South Florida, and the fens of England. How close can you get to the wildlife? How is the light and weather where you are? Will you be shooting lots of moving wildlife and birds, or more still ones? The limitations of the A6000 are purely in the lens department - for ME, I can use an A6000 to very good effect, because I live in S. Florida. Slower lenses don't worry me because I have oodles of light down here. 200mm limitations don't matter as much for me because I can get within a few feet of birds and animals. Adapters can extend my lens reach to 350-400mm, which works OK down here with slow aperture lenses. If you live in grey,overcast places with lower, poorer light, or are trying to photograph animals that won't let you get within a football field's length of them, then it won't be your best system for this type of photography.

If I use Canon or Nikor lenses on Sony a6000..with adapter..would there be a performance loss?
Yes - no autofocus, or with expensive adapters, very slow autofocus. You'd want to stick to primarily e-mount Sony lenses, or Sony Alpha lenses with the LA-EA2 adapter as your only reasonable choices for any moving or fleeting birds or wildlife.

I use a DSLR and an A6000 for birding - both are excellent. But my caveat on the A6000 is that you would need to live in a similar place as I, where you can get closer to wildlife and won't have as much of a concern over lack of long-reach lenses.
 
My question is will a6000 be a good body for BIF and wildlife photography ?

If I use Canon or Nikor lenses on Sony a6000..with adapter..would there be a performance loss?

Thanks

Sunny
Wrong board, there is a E-mount specific board:

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/1042

But to answer your question...No. The A600 isn't optimized for BIF photography. Your best bet is a A6000 + LA-EA2 + Sigma 50-500 OS HSM but your better off getting a A77ii at that point.

Your not going to get fast AF with Nikon/Canon lenses so if your OK with BIF with MF than that is also always an option.

If you go down the LA-EA2 roand than you might as well keep the Nex-6 unless you need more MP for cropping.
This focusing demo on the A77m2 is wicked!
 
The A6000 is *very* good for BIF, expect for the lens limitations. There is a guy that has been posting BIF photos using an 55-210 lens with a 1.7x tele converter on top of it (not one that sits in between the lens and body, but one that sits at the end of the lens, which means no light loss). Focusing is *very* good. Pretty much instant, finds and tracks objects beautifully, and it can see everywhere in the frame.
That's your opinion, not mine. I'll agree to disagree.
I'm stating a fact, not an opinion. It isn't something that you can "disagree" with.
 
My question is will a6000 be a good body for BIF and wildlife photography ?

If I use Canon or Nikor lenses on Sony a6000..with adapter..would there be a performance loss?

Thanks

Sunny
Wrong board, there is a E-mount specific board:

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/1042

But to answer your question...No. The A600 isn't optimized for BIF photography. Your best bet is a A6000 + LA-EA2 + Sigma 50-500 OS HSM but your better off getting a A77ii at that point.

Your not going to get fast AF with Nikon/Canon lenses so if your OK with BIF with MF than that is also always an option.

If you go down the LA-EA2 roand than you might as well keep the Nex-6 unless you need more MP for cropping.
This focusing demo on the A77m2 is wicked!
That's looks very impressive.

This one is impressive also:

A6K pitted right up against the D4S.
 
The store I went suggested me to upgrade to Sonya6000 and buy a sony Lens for birding.I have read about the 11fps and AF tracking of the a6000. I can sell my NEX6 for around 500$.

My question is will a6000 be a good body for BIF and wildlife photography ?
First answer is: Yes. The A6000 body, and all its developments in focus ability, is an excellent tool for wildlife and birding - the focus is immensely fast, very accurate, it has very good controls with excellent customization, and it's one of the first mirrorless cameras with a large sensor that can legitimately focus continuously on a moving subject as well as a DSLR.

Second answer is: No. Why? Well if you need a good diversity of lenses that fully autofocus, or are stabilized, the e-mount system currently does not go past 210mm. So the reach is not very good for most birding needs for most people. There are ways to extend that reach with extenders and adapters, however this might only work in certain locations where light is abundant.

DSLR lenses can be used on the e-mount cameras, via adapters - some of these adapters would allow use of Alpha lenses at the same general speed and functionality of Sony's SLT models, since they actually use an SLT mirror and PDAF array right in the adapter...other adapters would have slower autofocus, or none at all.

Third answer is: It Depends. Why? There's a mighty big difference between birding and wildlife shooting in northern Minnesota, South Florida, and the fens of England. How close can you get to the wildlife? How is the light and weather where you are? Will you be shooting lots of moving wildlife and birds, or more still ones? The limitations of the A6000 are purely in the lens department - for ME, I can use an A6000 to very good effect, because I live in S. Florida. Slower lenses don't worry me because I have oodles of light down here. 200mm limitations don't matter as much for me because I can get within a few feet of birds and animals. Adapters can extend my lens reach to 350-400mm, which works OK down here with slow aperture lenses. If you live in grey,overcast places with lower, poorer light, or are trying to photograph animals that won't let you get within a football field's length of them, then it won't be your best system for this type of photography.
If I use Canon or Nikor lenses on Sony a6000..with adapter..would there be a performance loss?
Yes - no autofocus, or with expensive adapters, very slow autofocus. You'd want to stick to primarily e-mount Sony lenses, or Sony Alpha lenses with the LA-EA2 adapter as your only reasonable choices for any moving or fleeting birds or wildlife.

I use a DSLR and an A6000 for birding - both are excellent. But my caveat on the A6000 is that you would need to live in a similar place as I, where you can get closer to wildlife and won't have as much of a concern over lack of long-reach lenses.
I agree with everything you said. But you *can* slap on the Sony 1.7x tele converter lens, which gets you to about 350mm, with no significant light loss, and retaining the autofocus abilities. Someone in the E-mount forum has been doing that, and got good results with that.

Of course, an A77ii or A99 with 70-400 G lens would be more favorable. That lens is *awesome*.
 
I agree with everything you said. But you *can* slap on the Sony 1.7x tele converter lens, which gets you to about 350mm, with no significant light loss, and retaining the autofocus abilities. Someone in the E-mount forum has been doing that, and got good results with that.
The someone is ME! I use the 1758 on my 55-210mm and it does work beautifully. However, the 55-210mm is a slowish lens at 210mm, and someone living in terminally grey overcast places with shy wildlife would have a much harder time of it even with 357mm at F6.3 - needing 1/1000 or better for BIF will mean they'll be shooting at ISO1600 to 6400 all day long. I'm lucky in having very good sunlight, so I can get away with 1/1000 and ISO 100 to 400 and even stop down to F8 at times.
 
I agree with everything you said. But you *can* slap on the Sony 1.7x tele converter lens, which gets you to about 350mm, with no significant light loss, and retaining the autofocus abilities. Someone in the E-mount forum has been doing that, and got good results with that.
The someone is ME! I use the 1758 on my 55-210mm and it does work beautifully. However, the 55-210mm is a slowish lens at 210mm, and someone living in terminally grey overcast places with shy wildlife would have a much harder time of it even with 357mm at F6.3 - needing 1/1000 or better for BIF will mean they'll be shooting at ISO1600 to 6400 all day long. I'm lucky in having very good sunlight, so I can get away with 1/1000 and ISO 100 to 400 and even stop down to F8 at times
I had the feeling it was you! I understand that it's a major compromise. But on a budget, it is possible to get at least some fun out of it! I've been frustrated not being able to find a reasonably priced converter. The price went up because of what you've been posting - but that was revealed multiple times now ;-)

Alternatively, apparently Olympus has (had?) decent converters as well. It's probably safe to say the cheap Chinese Ebay 2x converters aren't totally pointless.

E-mount has the 70-200 f/4 G now. One could through that converter on that. Probably needs a step down ring, but this full frame lens is used on a crop, so probably ok. So there is another option.

It's *high* time we start seeing some longer E-mount lenses. An f/4 70-400 equivalent would be nice. And what's taking Tamron and Sigma so long...
 
Thanks a lot guys.

Since I live in Toronto and sunlight might not be ample for quite a few months..I am little worried now.

I am able to sell my NEX 6 with kit lens on craiglist(got few offers already).

In that case should I go for a DSLR and the lens choices it offers and leave Sony system altogether. I have a Sony portrait prime lens which I will need a way to sell.

Appreciate your valuable comments and suggestions.

Sunny
 
Thanks Zackiedawag

I am amazed at the detailed response you provided to a newbie.Highly appreciated.

I live in Toronto and am hoping to travel to other cities in Canada for photographing nature and wildlife.So for most part of the year lighting wont be excessive and I do like shooting flying birds so the challenged with lens option for a6000 will remain.

I am also toying with the idea to sell off everything Sony and get a DSLR system.I have a prime Sony portrait lens. Since it doesnt need AF I can use it with a lens adapter to Canon or Nokon body..if needed.

Which DSLR and lens combo would you suggest if I start afresh.I can strech my budget to 1500$...ish.

Thanks again.

Sunny
 
Mike I picked up a 1.7 on Amazon and a 55-210 for less than 400 bucks for both I have had success in good light like Justin explains , Sux in the Shade but the 6000 has the ISO MFNR Feature and that helps for Static shots in lower light but obviously no comparable to the Big bodies because of Lens Limitations, I have been using the 50-500 OS Sigma with the Laea2 Adapter and it does well on the 6000 but not better than a 77 but a Marked improvement over the Nex 6 or 7 in my opinion , Justin has a Genuine Knack for the 55-210 + 1.7 , I am still working on it .

Here is a couple with the 55-210 + 1.7 and one with the Bigma (last)

The Light was not Great on the Owlet the MFNR helped with detail ISO 1000 and a Clic or 2 of + EV But you can see under Scrutiny loss of detail.

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You can see how the focus was centralized just on his head.

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Good light on these Osprey young un's

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Good light on the Anhinga

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Bigma at 500 mm Laea 2 + a 6000

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Any will do - be it Sony's SLT Alpha models, or any entry to mid Nikon, Canon, or Pentax. That's not really too important, as they're all quite good and capable. The key for you I think is going to be spending a bit of money on the lens - that's where the difference will be made. If you end up with a DSLR, and you're using a 70-300mm F6.3 lens, that's going to put you in the exact same boat as with the A6000 - too slow of a lens for mixed light wildlife shooting. I'm not saying it can't be done - it can - but you'll always be pushing ISO very high even in broad daylight if it's overcast, in order to get the shutter speeds you need. I can see the difference down here - when the sun dips behind a cloud, I'll be shooting F6.3 and 1/1000 and my auto ISO cranks up 1-2 stops...as soon as the sun comes out, back to 100. When I shoot with my A580 and 300mm f4 lens, that extra aperture brings in more light and I can stay under ISO400.

So what you need to be looking at is an F4 or better lens for your BIF work - if you really want to take it seriously and be able to keep getting good results even in bad light. Unfortunately, that's pricey! E-mount doesn't offer a longer lens at F4 or better, but most DSLRs do...but the entry fee is usually in the $900-1000 arena for a 300mm+ at F4 with most manufacturers, or more. An F5.6 zoom, like the Sony 70-400mm is a decent choice as well - it's a little faster at the longest end compared to the 55-210mm F6.3 of the e-mount, plus double the focal length. Nikon has a similar lens range too. I'm not sure if there's a Canon equivalent, but I think they have somewhat similar 100-400mm lenses. Pentax might be a little more limited in that longer range - but may have some used lenses to find.

Let me confirm I'm definitely not pushing you away from the e-mount line, but just injecting a little warning - because there aren't as many faster lenses, and no real long lens options, if birding is something you'll really really be getting into, and wanting to shoot a lot of BIF, a Sony SLT model or any DSLR model will give you more lens choices, and the same focus ability out of the box. If light is good, and the birds closer, the A6000 is actually a killer birding cam - very light, portable, and focus is incredible including tracking. But not everyone can get by on a maximum 210mm lens at F6.3 as the fastest aperture like I can down here in sunny Florida where the birds will let you pet them!
 
Thanks Justin once again.

I would like to keep budget for DSLR plus good lens at 1800$.

Any recommendations.

Thanks

Sunny
If birding is a big thing, than consider sinking more into the lens than the camera. How about:

Used A57 $300 (body only, skip the kit lens)

Used Tamron 17-50 f/2.8 for about the house and as a walk around, $200

Used Sony 70-400 G lens, $1500

That's all fairly aggressive low, and you'll have look a bit to attain those prices.
You could pick an A77 used, for probably about $300 more... But the end results aren't going to be a heck of a whole lot better. Although... that A77 *does* have that micro-focus adjust feature..

What'd be totally awesome is a used A77 + Sony 16-50 f/2.8 combo, *maybe* for around $900 these days, with A-mount prices having tanked a bit recently... That'd leave $900 for a serious birding lens...
Wait...... Tamron has this insane 200-500 lens... that's looking about $800 to $900 used. That could be it!

Sony A77 + 16-50 f/2.8 $900 (probably more like $1000)
Tamron 200-500 $800

Alternatively, on a *tight* budget:

$650 A6000 new $650
55-210 used $200
Tele extender 1.7 (Sony one, nothing else) $150

You'd be limited to about 350mm, and it's not as good as that 200-500 lens...
 
My question is will a6000 be a good body for BIF and wildlife photography ?

If I use Canon or Nikor lenses on Sony a6000..with adapter..would there be a performance loss?

Thanks

Sunny
Wrong board, there is a E-mount specific board:

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/1042

But to answer your question...No. The A600 isn't optimized for BIF photography. Your best bet is a A6000 + LA-EA2 + Sigma 50-500 OS HSM but your better off getting a A77ii at that point.
There is a guy that has been posting BIF photos using an 55-210 lens with a 1.7x tele converter on top of it (not one that sits in between the lens and body, but one that sits at the end of the lens, which means no light loss).
Sorry 123Mike that has to be wrong the effective focal length is changed by the teleconverter the PHYSICAL aperture size is not there has to be light loss.
 
My question is will a6000 be a good body for BIF and wildlife photography ?

If I use Canon or Nikor lenses on Sony a6000..with adapter..would there be a performance loss?

Thanks

Sunny
Wrong board, there is a E-mount specific board:

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/1042

But to answer your question...No. The A600 isn't optimized for BIF photography. Your best bet is a A6000 + LA-EA2 + Sigma 50-500 OS HSM but your better off getting a A77ii at that point.
There is a guy that has been posting BIF photos using an 55-210 lens with a 1.7x tele converter on top of it (not one that sits in between the lens and body, but one that sits at the end of the lens, which means no light loss).
Sorry 123Mike that has to be wrong the effective focal length is changed by the teleconverter the PHYSICAL aperture size is not there has to be light loss.
Actually, technically I was using the wrong term.


I guess the incorrect general lingo used, makes it all get lumped into one, and requires explaining each time.

"alters the width of the entering beam of light without affecting the divergence of the beam, so they can change the effective focal length 1 to 3 times without increasing focal ratio."
 
Thanks Justin once again.

I would like to keep budget for DSLR plus good lens at 1800$.

Any recommendations.

Thanks

Sunny
if action is what you are looking for A77m2 is it. Then get a sony 55-300mm while you save of something longer and bigger.
 

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