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I just picked up this combo & the 5600 manual doesn't include compatibility information for using with the 7hi. I'm new to flash photography and a few quick tips from users with more experience than I would really be appreciated.

Thanks,

Matt
 
I just picked up this combo & the 5600 manual doesn't include
compatibility information for using with the 7hi. I'm new to flash
photography and a few quick tips from users with more experience
than I would really be appreciated.

Thanks,

Matt
I can't give you any tips on using the 5600HS(D) flash with the Minolta Dimage 7Hi camera, but here is a link to a discussion of the 3600HS(D) and 5600HS(D) features, which are compatible with the Dimage 5 and 7 series cameras:

http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/message?forumid=151930&messageid=1034339217

The D7Hi manual may indicate some features of the 3600HS(D) and/or 5600HS(D) flash are not available.

William
 
Hi Matt,
I just picked up this combo & the 5600 manual doesn't include
compatibility information for using with the 7hi. I'm new to flash
photography and a few quick tips from users with more experience
than I would really be appreciated.
I've got the DiMAGE 7Hi together with the 5600HSD.

The camera supprts the zoom of the flash, but it is important to know that the zoom value differs. You have to use the built-in diffuser (intended fo less than 24mm focal length) in order to get proper illumination for 28mm focal length with the camera. So the zoom value on the zoom ring and the zoom value on the flash will differ. There is a tiny note on one of the last pages in the D7Hi manual.

The camera supports wireless mode, but the built-in flash must be used. The built-in flash transmits the information AND fires together with the 5600. That can have negative impact on your images.
See: http://www.pbase.com/hjreggel/wireless_shadow

The camera does NOT use the AF assist lamp, but that is not really a drawback.

Be prepared to buy some accessories along with your flash, especially the off-camera cable (OC-1100). Then you don't have to care about double shadow as in wireless mode and you have better control over the shadow.

Right now I am waiting for the Bounce Reflector Set V -- was marked as 1-3 days, then it turned out it will be 4 weeks :-( -- and I think about buying an inflatable diffuser ball.

While some users might suggest using the 3600HSD you should know that the 3600 only supports tilt from -10° to 90°, bnut the 5600 also has swivel from -90° to 180°.

The manual for the 5600 reports 80-2800 flashes with one set of rechargeables. During my shootings it lasted for at least 1100 flashes, so don't worry about power consumption.

Oh, one last thing: The D7Hi uses pre-flash TTL metering. That means you will get lots of photos of people with (partially) closed eyes, because they twink because of the pre-flash.

Hans-Jürgen
 
Hans -

Thanks for your comments. At this stage, I'm not quite sure what the zoom flash even is or what it is good for. I didn't realize the built-in flash would fire along with the 5600 - I thought one of the advantages of the 5600 was that you could use it wireless & angle it to avoid red-eye/unwanted shadow etc. If the built-in is going to fire regardless, it seems there is no benefit at all. How does the off-camera cable work/help?

Thanks again.

Matt
I just picked up this combo & the 5600 manual doesn't include
compatibility information for using with the 7hi. I'm new to flash
photography and a few quick tips from users with more experience
than I would really be appreciated.
I've got the DiMAGE 7Hi together with the 5600HSD.

The camera supprts the zoom of the flash, but it is important to
know that the zoom value differs. You have to use the built-in
diffuser (intended fo less than 24mm focal length) in order to get
proper illumination for 28mm focal length with the camera. So the
zoom value on the zoom ring and the zoom value on the flash will
differ. There is a tiny note on one of the last pages in the D7Hi
manual.

The camera supports wireless mode, but the built-in flash must be
used. The built-in flash transmits the information AND fires
together with the 5600. That can have negative impact on your
images.
See: http://www.pbase.com/hjreggel/wireless_shadow

The camera does NOT use the AF assist lamp, but that is not really
a drawback.

Be prepared to buy some accessories along with your flash,
especially the off-camera cable (OC-1100). Then you don't have to
care about double shadow as in wireless mode and you have better
control over the shadow.
Right now I am waiting for the Bounce Reflector Set V -- was marked
as 1-3 days, then it turned out it will be 4 weeks :-( -- and I
think about buying an inflatable diffuser ball.

While some users might suggest using the 3600HSD you should know
that the 3600 only supports tilt from -10° to 90°, bnut the 5600
also has swivel from -90° to 180°.

The manual for the 5600 reports 80-2800 flashes with one set of
rechargeables. During my shootings it lasted for at least 1100
flashes, so don't worry about power consumption.

Oh, one last thing: The D7Hi uses pre-flash TTL metering. That
means you will get lots of photos of people with (partially) closed
eyes, because they twink because of the pre-flash.

Hans-Jürgen
 
Hans -
Thanks for your comments. At this stage, I'm not quite sure what
the zoom flash even is or what it is good for. I didn't realize the
built-in flash would fire along with the 5600 - I thought one of
the advantages of the 5600 was that you could use it wireless &
angle it to avoid red-eye/unwanted shadow etc. If the built-in is
going to fire regardless, it seems there is no benefit at all. How
does the off-camera cable work/help?

Thanks again.

Matt
When firing wireless the built in flash only fires to send information to the 5600 but it shuts down before the 5600 fires.

About the automatic zoom:

The zoom flash reads the angle of the lens and knows to concentrate the flash on the area the lens is seeing. Therefore it doesn't waste any light (or power). If you have the camera on a long focal length (telephoto) the flash automatically zooms in on that focal length and thereby is able to light up a longer distance.

If the flash had a fixed angle of light it would have to be the widest angle the lens is capable of. This would be wasteful.
--
kd
 
I just picked up this combo & the 5600 manual doesn't include
compatibility information for using with the 7hi. I'm new to flash
photography and a few quick tips from users with more experience
than I would really be appreciated.
I've got the DiMAGE 7Hi together with the 5600HSD.

The camera supprts the zoom of the flash, but it is important to
know that the zoom value differs. You have to use the built-in
diffuser (intended fo less than 24mm focal length) in order to get
proper illumination for 28mm focal length with the camera. So the
zoom value on the zoom ring and the zoom value on the flash will
differ. There is a tiny note on one of the last pages in the D7Hi
manual.

The camera supports wireless mode, but the built-in flash must be
used. The built-in flash transmits the information AND fires
together with the 5600. That can have negative impact on your
images.
See: http://www.pbase.com/hjreggel/wireless_shadow

The camera does NOT use the AF assist lamp, but that is not really
a drawback.

Be prepared to buy some accessories along with your flash,
especially the off-camera cable (OC-1100). Then you don't have to
care about double shadow as in wireless mode and you have better
control over the shadow.
Right now I am waiting for the Bounce Reflector Set V -- was marked
as 1-3 days, then it turned out it will be 4 weeks :-( -- and I
think about buying an inflatable diffuser ball.

While some users might suggest using the 3600HSD you should know
that the 3600 only supports tilt from -10° to 90°, bnut the 5600
also has swivel from -90° to 180°.

The manual for the 5600 reports 80-2800 flashes with one set of
rechargeables. During my shootings it lasted for at least 1100
flashes, so don't worry about power consumption.

Oh, one last thing: The D7Hi uses pre-flash TTL metering. That
means you will get lots of photos of people with (partially) closed
eyes, because they twink because of the pre-flash.

Hans-Jürgen
Can't you put tissue or something in front of the built-in flash to reduce it's output whilst stilll haveing enough to trigger the flash?
I can't experiment myself as I have the D7(UG)
Regards,
--
DaveMart
 
Can't you put tissue or something in front of the built-in flash to
reduce it's output whilst stilll haveing enough to trigger the
flash?
Take a bit of developed slide film that's opaque black and tape it over the built-in flash on the D7Hi; infrared light will get through and trip the wireless flash, but you won't get any visible light on the subject.

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SKS
 
When firing wireless the built in flash only fires to send
information to the 5600 but it shuts down before the 5600 fires.
That's absolutely right.

The pop-up flash DOES NOT fire when used in conjunction with the 5600 or 3600. However, it appears that it does. It's rather confusing. If you don't believe me, take a picture with the external flash pointed behind you. The on-board will appear to fire but you will get a totally black picture.

I bought the 5600 and the 7Hi only a week ago. I discoverd all of this last night when, for the first time, I decided to try the wireless/remote flash mode.

John
 
When firing wireless the built in flash only fires to send
information to the 5600 but it shuts down before the 5600 fires.
That's absolutely right.

The pop-up flash DOES NOT fire when used in conjunction with the
5600 or 3600. However, it appears that it does. It's rather
confusing. If you don't believe me, take a picture with the
external flash pointed behind you. The on-board will appear to fire
but you will get a totally black picture.

I bought the 5600 and the 7Hi only a week ago. I discoverd all of
this last night when, for the first time, I decided to try the
wireless/remote flash mode.
Well, mine does fire and I got prove, and I know of other poeple where it works like this. But I think there is no need to talk about this in greater detail.
 
When firing wireless the built in flash only fires to send
information to the 5600 but it shuts down before the 5600 fires.
That's absolutely right.

The pop-up flash DOES NOT fire when used in conjunction with the
5600 or 3600. However, it appears that it does. It's rather
confusing. If you don't believe me, take a picture with the
external flash pointed behind you. The on-board will appear to fire
but you will get a totally black picture.

I bought the 5600 and the 7Hi only a week ago. I discoverd all of
this last night when, for the first time, I decided to try the
wireless/remote flash mode.
Well, mine does fire and I got prove, and I know of other poeple
where it works like this. But I think there is no need to talk
about this in greater detail.
Why not? Sounds interesting. It's always possible there's variations between cameras, pr they've changed things on a later production run.
These things aren't entirely unknown
Regards,
--
DaveMart
 
Hans -
Thanks for your comments. At this stage, I'm not quite sure what
the zoom flash even is or what it is good for. I didn't realize the
built-in flash would fire along with the 5600 - I thought one of
the advantages of the 5600 was that you could use it wireless &
angle it to avoid red-eye/unwanted shadow etc. If the built-in is
going to fire regardless, it seems there is no benefit at all. How
does the off-camera cable work/help?

Thanks again.

Matt
Hi Matt,

when you have the flash on-camera and shoot in lanscape orientation everything is fine, the flash is above the lens. But when you shoot in portrait mode, you get a shadow to the left or right because the flash is to the right or left of the lens.

With the off-camera cable you can decide where to hold the flash, you can even put it on a tripod using the little stand (included with the flash) which has a tripod mount on its bottom. The other end of the cable goes into the cable socket of the flash, so there is no need for an off-camera shoe. The cable is a spiral cable which can be stretched to 3ft without worrying and 4ft if absolutely necessary. There are also extension cords available, but I would rather cut the cable and extend it myself rather than buying extension cords for every 3.3ft of lentgh. Minolta writes that 6m (approx. 20ft) would be the maximum for off-camera cable length.

Hans-Jürgen
 
Hans -
Thanks for your comments. At this stage, I'm not quite sure what
the zoom flash even is or what it is good for. I didn't realize the
built-in flash would fire along with the 5600 - I thought one of
the advantages of the 5600 was that you could use it wireless &
angle it to avoid red-eye/unwanted shadow etc. If the built-in is
going to fire regardless, it seems there is no benefit at all. How
does the off-camera cable work/help?

Thanks again.

Matt
Hi Matt,

when you have the flash on-camera and shoot in lanscape orientation
everything is fine, the flash is above the lens. But when you shoot
in portrait mode, you get a shadow to the left or right because the
flash is to the right or left of the lens.
That's certainly correct for the 3600. You can, however rotate the 5600 to shoot in portrait mode. Taht's not to say that using an off-camera cable wouldn't be better in a lot of situations.
With the off-camera cable you can decide where to hold the flash,
you can even put it on a tripod using the little stand (included
with the flash) which has a tripod mount on its bottom. The other
end of the cable goes into the cable socket of the flash, so there
is no need for an off-camera shoe. The cable is a spiral cable
which can be stretched to 3ft without worrying and 4ft if
absolutely necessary. There are also extension cords available, but
I would rather cut the cable and extend it myself rather than
buying extension cords for every 3.3ft of lentgh. Minolta writes
that 6m (approx. 20ft) would be the maximum for off-camera cable
length.

Hans-Jürgen
Regards,
--
DaveMart
 
Hi Dave

[...]
when you have the flash on-camera and shoot in lanscape orientation
everything is fine, the flash is above the lens. But when you shoot
in portrait mode, you get a shadow to the left or right because the
flash is to the right or left of the lens.
That's certainly correct for the 3600. You can, however rotate the
5600 to shoot in portrait mode. Taht's not to say that using an
off-camera cable wouldn't be better in a lot of situations.
[...]
I think you are referring to the tilt and swivel feature of the 5600.

It can be tilted -10° to 90° and rotated -90° and 180°. So you can use ceiling bounce mode in both, landscape and portrait mode.

But when there's no ceiling near, there's no way. That's why I put hope in the Bounce Reflector Set V. New delivery date: December 4th :-(

Hans-Jürgen
 
[...]
when you have the flash on-camera and shoot in lanscape orientation
everything is fine, the flash is above the lens. But when you shoot
in portrait mode, you get a shadow to the left or right because the
flash is to the right or left of the lens.
That's certainly correct for the 3600. You can, however rotate the
5600 to shoot in portrait mode. Taht's not to say that using an
off-camera cable wouldn't be better in a lot of situations.
[...]
I think you are referring to the tilt and swivel feature of the 5600.
It can be tilted -10° to 90° and rotated -90° and 180°. So you can
use ceiling bounce mode in both, landscape and portrait mode.
But when there's no ceiling near, there's no way. That's why I put
hope in the Bounce Reflector Set V. New delivery date: December 4th
:-(

Hans-Jürgen
Yeah, you're right. I didn't quite follow you at first.

Hope you like the Bounce Reflector Set - one of the guys who has it with the 5600 prefers the Sto-fen.
See:
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1024&message=3809539

Best of luck and let me know how you get on with it - if you like it I may consider getting one.
Best regards,
--
DaveMart
 
Hello all & thank you,

Minolta should bring you all on board to write their manuals. Seriously, this discussion has been great for me & I'm looking forward to testing this weekend. Please, keep your suggestions & experiences coming...

I might've missed something but doesn't the wireless function negate the need for cable release? I imagine the benefit of cable release is that it overrides the built-in flash but it sounds like the built-in doesn't (or isn't supposed to) fire along with the 5600.

I've also got 3 hotlights. Maybe I'll try a few different set-ups using these as well.

All of your comments are bringing this picture into focus. When I get to the test I'll report back on whether or not the built-in is actually firing or just sending the signal.

Thanks again,

Matt
 

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