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I visited my local computer store last night and looked at the Canon 8200. Unfortunately, I couldn't print a sample from my own file, but the provided sample book photos were amazing. They really seemed superior to both the HP 900/1000 printers and the Epson 870/1270. Now, all of these printers can produce photographic results. But, being quite nearsighted, I can generally see incredible detail at very close range without glasses. Visible dots were virtually non-existent. On the HP, I see them clearly and they are smaller on the Epsons, but on this printer, they simply were NOT there.

Color was, as expected from Canon, excellent. Other characteristics were consistent with what we expect from printers today. Even though I refill my inks, I was impressed with the 6-color system that requires you to only replace (or refill) individual colors as they become empty. The driver, as depicted on the box, seems to be impressive at guaging contents.

Why is this printer so little talked about? I have NO experience with Canon printers. Is there something I don't know? They did not have an 8500 model. Is this a wide-format version?

Your input is appreciated

Dale
 
I visited my local computer store last night and looked at the Canon
8200. Unfortunately, I couldn't print a sample from my own file, but the
provided sample book photos were amazing. They really seemed superior to
both the HP 900/1000 printers and the Epson 870/1270. Now, all of these
printers can produce photographic results. But, being quite nearsighted,
I can generally see incredible detail at very close range without
glasses. Visible dots were virtually non-existent. On the HP, I see them
clearly and they are smaller on the Epsons, but on this printer, they
simply were NOT there.

Color was, as expected from Canon, excellent. Other characteristics were
consistent with what we expect from printers today. Even though I refill
my inks, I was impressed with the 6-color system that requires you to
only replace (or refill) individual colors as they become empty. The
driver, as depicted on the box, seems to be impressive at guaging
contents.

Why is this printer so little talked about? I have NO experience with
Canon printers. Is there something I don't know? They did not have an
8500 model. Is this a wide-format version?

Your input is appreciated
I've owned a 8200 for more than a month now and I agree with your observations. However, I'm supprised you can see dots in Epson 870/1270s. What type of paper are they printed on? I know all Canon samples are printed on its own Photo Paper Pro. If print on normal ink jet paper, the dots are equally visible. Also those cheap Epsons (740 etc) are not designed for photos and dots are very visible.

As to why so little talked about here, it seems like religious thing. One either subscribe to Epson tribe or HP tribe. Canons are minority.
 
Hi Dale,

I just picked up a brand new Canon BJC-8200 at Best Buy about one hour ago. I can't wait to start printing. I did a LOT of research on the forums on this and reviews from magazines.

I was initially going to order an Epson 1270 printer, but with all the hubbub about color shifting and such I just didn't want to take the chance.

So, I was able to make contact with a BJC-8200 owner who very graciously offered to print any picutre I wanted to send him at almost any size and on any number of papers he had in stock. I accepted the offer and the results were OUTSTANDING!!!!

Up until now I have been having my prints done by Ofoto.com. I thought the prints looked great. But, when compared to those of the 8200 I ddiscovered that the Ofoto print was a shade or mode darker than the Canon AND the skin tones in the Canon picture looked like skin tones. The Ofoto pics looked rather, er, pale and lifeless. Yuck.

I am a conert. Plus, having siz color tanks and being able to refill just the ones that empty is a dream.

You'll LOVE the printer, I am positive.
I visited my local computer store last night and looked at the Canon
8200. Unfortunately, I couldn't print a sample from my own file, but the
provided sample book photos were amazing. They really seemed superior to
both the HP 900/1000 printers and the Epson 870/1270. Now, all of these
printers can produce photographic results. But, being quite nearsighted,
I can generally see incredible detail at very close range without
glasses. Visible dots were virtually non-existent. On the HP, I see them
clearly and they are smaller on the Epsons, but on this printer, they
simply were NOT there.

Color was, as expected from Canon, excellent. Other characteristics were
consistent with what we expect from printers today. Even though I refill
my inks, I was impressed with the 6-color system that requires you to
only replace (or refill) individual colors as they become empty. The
driver, as depicted on the box, seems to be impressive at guaging
contents.

Why is this printer so little talked about? I have NO experience with
Canon printers. Is there something I don't know? They did not have an
8500 model. Is this a wide-format version?

Your input is appreciated

Dale
 
Dale,

For what it's worth....I've been using a Canon 6000 for almost a year and have printed hundreds of pictures with no problems. I usually print 4x6's, but a few were 8x10. I too saw the 8500 at Best Buy and their sample prints in a folder. I was hoping to see a print being printed, but that option was not available.

I have been trying another brand of ink cartridges which cost half of the Canons and I can't see any difference in print quality.

I too have wondered why Canon printers aren't mentioned much in these forums. Maybe it's because they cost less than Epson and HP????
Roln
 
My experience with aftermarket inks has not been the most fortunate.

I started using them with my bjc-6000, and soon after the heads clogged. I went back to Canon's supplies and I've had no more problems since.

My prints started getting a magenta cast (lack of yellow), and I noticed
that the yellow ink had become rather dark, in fact almost magent.
Somehow, the head clogged and the magenta ink was being absorbed into
the yellow ink tank!

Hope you're luckier than me.

Jorge

FYI, I was using http://www.cartridgesfoless.com inks.
 
I was initially going to order an Epson 1270 printer, but with all the
hubbub about color shifting and such I just didn't want to take the
chance.
I have a 1270 which I was hoping to be able to print B&W's with on glossy paper for commercial clients. The color shift problem has caused me to send it back to Epson for a refund and I am looking for a replacement. I am tring to find out the longevity of the Canon Pr opaper on the 8200 and has anyone tried making B&W prints with the 8200 and getting good results.

Seth
 
Hi Seth,

Last night I got my Canon BJC-8200 at Best Buy and made my first two prints on the included Canon Photo Paper Pro. The results were OUTSTANDING!

I have not taken any Black & White pictures yet, but, I suppose I could convert one of my color ones to B&W and try printing one out.

So far I highly recomment this printer. By the way, the same e-mail friend who send me test prints from the printer also recommends getting refill ink for this printer from a place calld http://www.theinkplace.com .

There you can buy a complete six-color refill set for $50.00 that wil refill all your tanks twelve times!!! He says he has been using this ink with no problems at all.
I was initially going to order an Epson 1270 printer, but with all the
hubbub about color shifting and such I just didn't want to take the
chance.
I have a 1270 which I was hoping to be able to print B&W's with on
glossy paper for commercial clients. The color shift problem has caused
me to send it back to Epson for a refund and I am looking for a
replacement. I am tring to find out the longevity of the Canon Pr
opaper on the 8200 and has anyone tried making B&W prints with the 8200
and getting good results.

Seth
 
I visited my local computer store last night and looked at the Canon
8200. Unfortunately, I couldn't print a sample from my own file, but the
provided sample book photos were amazing. They really seemed superior to
both the HP 900/1000 printers and the Epson 870/1270. Now, all of these
printers can produce photographic results. But, being quite nearsighted,
I can generally see incredible detail at very close range without
glasses. Visible dots were virtually non-existent. On the HP, I see them
clearly and they are smaller on the Epsons, but on this printer, they
simply were NOT there.

Color was, as expected from Canon, excellent. Other characteristics were
consistent with what we expect from printers today. Even though I refill
my inks, I was impressed with the 6-color system that requires you to
only replace (or refill) individual colors as they become empty. The
driver, as depicted on the box, seems to be impressive at guaging
contents.

Why is this printer so little talked about? I have NO experience with
Canon printers. Is there something I don't know? They did not have an
8500 model. Is this a wide-format version?

Your input is appreciated

Dale
Hi Dale.

I had an interesting experience when I was shopping for a wide format printer several months ago. I took a nice close-up picture of a Peace rose in the back yard, copied it onto a floppy disk and made the rounds to the local computer stores here in Northern Virginia to see if I could get them to make comparison prints of my picture on the HP 1220 and the Epson 1270.

Most of the places wouldn't even try. They had their demos set up to print something that had been loaded on by HP or Epson and they didn't seem to want to fool with me. A couple of places didn't even have the drivers loaded on the printers they had set out for you to look at.

I did find a salesman at MicroCenter who was very accomodating. He went to the back and got the CD and loaded the drivers on one machine and hooked up several others to the computer we had loaded my picture onto. I came away with 8x10 prints from the Epson 1270, the HP 1220, and on his recommendation, the Canon 8200. I also printed the same shot on the printers I had at home, an Epson 740, an HP 720 and an HP 895. I still have the collection of prints.

I must say the 8200 surprised me the most. He used a high gloss HP paper (because it happened to be handy) and the picture clarity was at least as good, and perhaps a little better than the 1220 or the 1270 ( which were printed on HP and Epson papers.) The yellow of the rose is a little softer n the 8200 than I see on my monitor, but that is really nit-picking. By any objective standard it is beautiful. As I spread them out, it is the one that jumps out at me.

In the end I got a 1270, primarily because I wanted a wide format printer. But I still think about those refillable cartridges every time I shell out the $$ for an Epson cartridge (which is all too often, I must say.)

Enjoy your printer. I think its a great choice.

Dave
 
I am also looking for a good photo printer, and am considering the Canon 8200. However, one thing that I need is a printer that is good at both color photos and normal text printing. I can't find any spec on the number of pages per minute the 8200 can do on normal black text. I suspect it is pretty slow, or this number would be readily available. Anyone know?

Thanks,

Ark
I visited my local computer store last night and looked at the Canon
8200. Unfortunately, I couldn't print a sample from my own file, but the
provided sample book photos were amazing. They really seemed superior to
both the HP 900/1000 printers and the Epson 870/1270. Now, all of these
printers can produce photographic results. But, being quite nearsighted,
I can generally see incredible detail at very close range without
glasses. Visible dots were virtually non-existent. On the HP, I see them
clearly and they are smaller on the Epsons, but on this printer, they
simply were NOT there.

Color was, as expected from Canon, excellent. Other characteristics were
consistent with what we expect from printers today. Even though I refill
my inks, I was impressed with the 6-color system that requires you to
only replace (or refill) individual colors as they become empty. The
driver, as depicted on the box, seems to be impressive at guaging
contents.

Why is this printer so little talked about? I have NO experience with
Canon printers. Is there something I don't know? They did not have an
8500 model. Is this a wide-format version?

Your input is appreciated

Dale
 
Last night I got my Canon BJC-8200 at Best Buy and made my first two
prints on the included Canon Photo Paper Pro. The results were
OUTSTANDING!
How long does it a take to print an 8x10 at the printers highest res? Since you just printed your first prints you won't have first hand knowledge, but have you heard how many 8x's you can get out of a set of carts?

Seth
 
Thanks to all those who replied. Clearly, this printer deserves more attention than it is given. Strangely, Canon is a true photographic company but Epson is acclaimed for their support of photographers.

Being a pro photographer who would like to be able to supply my own final prints to customers, I have several things to consider. The first is image quality. In my own limited observations, is appears the Canon will deilver -- easily. Their own Pro Photo Paper can deliver, based on samples, images rivaling Cibachrome prints.

My concerns are:

1 - What is the longevity? If it were just for me, I wouldn't care. In 5 years, if the image quality degraded, I'd just reprint from the digital file. When dealing with clients, however, this issue is paramount. For example, prints from the Epson 2000 might be offered with a "lifetime" warranty.

2 - What papers are available. I tend to see fewer choices in the Canon line than either the HP or Epson. Epson is doing a wonderful job in this respect, with large variety and options, including rolls, large format, weights, and textures. And unlike HP, most of their papers are pretty good. The Epson premium glossy paper is far more attractive than HPs. Canon's Pro Photo is the best of all of them, but what else is available? Stores don't seem to offer many choices.

3 - Is a wide format offered? Seems odd that Canon would not support print sizes beyond 8x10.

I'd love to marry the image quality of Epson with the reliability of HP and the support and range of Epson.

Dale
I visited my local computer store last night and looked at the Canon
8200. Unfortunately, I couldn't print a sample from my own file, but the
provided sample book photos were amazing. They really seemed superior to
both the HP 900/1000 printers and the Epson 870/1270. Now, all of these
printers can produce photographic results. But, being quite nearsighted,
I can generally see incredible detail at very close range without
glasses. Visible dots were virtually non-existent. On the HP, I see them
clearly and they are smaller on the Epsons, but on this printer, they
simply were NOT there.

Color was, as expected from Canon, excellent. Other characteristics were
consistent with what we expect from printers today. Even though I refill
my inks, I was impressed with the 6-color system that requires you to
only replace (or refill) individual colors as they become empty. The
driver, as depicted on the box, seems to be impressive at guaging
contents.

Why is this printer so little talked about? I have NO experience with
Canon printers. Is there something I don't know? They did not have an
8500 model. Is this a wide-format version?

Your input is appreciated
I've owned a 8200 for more than a month now and I agree with your
observations. However, I'm supprised you can see dots in Epson
870/1270s. What type of paper are they printed on? I know all Canon
samples are printed on its own Photo Paper Pro. If print on normal ink
jet paper, the dots are equally visible. Also those cheap Epsons (740
etc) are not designed for photos and dots are very visible.

As to why so little talked about here, it seems like religious thing.
One either subscribe to Epson tribe or HP tribe. Canons are minority.
 
Last night I got my Canon BJC-8200 at Best Buy and made my first two
prints on the included Canon Photo Paper Pro. The results were
OUTSTANDING!
How long does it a take to print an 8x10 at the printers highest res?
Since you just printed your first prints you won't have first hand
knowledge, but have you heard how many 8x's you can get out of a set of
carts?

Seth
Since Canon claims 3 pages per minute in B/W (C-Net tests say 1.6) and 1 page per minute in color, one can only wonder what the actual time would be at the highest possible resolution.

FWIW

Dave
 
Last night I got my Canon BJC-8200 at Best Buy and made my first two
prints on the included Canon Photo Paper Pro. The results were
OUTSTANDING!
How long does it a take to print an 8x10 at the printers highest res?
Since you just printed your first prints you won't have first hand
knowledge, but have you heard how many 8x's you can get out of a set of
carts?

Seth
Since Canon claims 3 pages per minute in B/W (C-Net tests say 1.6) and 1
page per minute in color, one can only wonder what the actual time would
be at the highest possible resolution.

FWIW

Dave
Around 3 minutes in highest resolution for 8x10. I've printed over two dozens of 8x10s and ink is still going strong.

Foxbat
 
According to wilhelm labs, the 8200 prints last less than 6 months for before noticable fading occurs.
Dale,

For what it's worth....I've been using a Canon 6000 for almost a year
and have printed hundreds of pictures with no problems. I usually
print 4x6's, but a few were 8x10. I too saw the 8500 at Best Buy and
their sample prints in a folder. I was hoping to see a print being
printed, but that option was not available.
I have been trying another brand of ink cartridges which cost half of
the Canons and I can't see any difference in print quality.
I too have wondered why Canon printers aren't mentioned much in these
forums. Maybe it's because they cost less than Epson and HP????
Roln
 
Can you tell me somethiing about this ageing problem. What were the conditions of conservating etc? These conditions have a mayor impact on ageing so please tell me how this research was done. (temperature, light, humidity paper etc.)
I just picked up a brand new Canon BJC-8200 at Best Buy about one hour
ago. I can't wait to start printing. I did a LOT of research on the
forums on this and reviews from magazines.
 
http://www.wilhelm-research.com/

take a look at page 3

http://www.wilhelm-research.com/pdf/wir_permanence_06_20_00.pdf

It also does not mention the fact that the Epson 870/1270 printers have a color shift problem in certain areas of the country depending on air quality. If you have this problem, the prints will shift orange in as little has hours.

I'm still searching for a good printer.....

Here's an interesting thing.

http://www.inksupply.com/index.cfm?source=html/cobra.html
Can you tell me somethiing about this ageing problem. What were the
conditions of conservating etc? These conditions have a mayor impact on
ageing so please tell me how this research was done. (temperature,
light, humidity paper etc.)
 
I was initially going to order an Epson 1270 printer, but with all the
hubbub about color shifting and such I just didn't want to take the
chance.
I have a 1270 which I was hoping to be able to print B&W's with on
glossy paper for commercial clients. The color shift problem has caused
me to send it back to Epson for a refund and I am looking for a
replacement. I am tring to find out the longevity of the Canon Pr
opaper on the 8200 and has anyone tried making B&W prints with the 8200
and getting good results.

Seth
From what I read, you might want to get an Epson printer that will uport the quadtone (or sixtone) inks from http://www.inksupply.com .

http://www.inksupply.com/index.cfm?source=html/quadtone.html
 
Dale,

I have both the HP1000 and the Canon 8200. I bought the 8200 specifcally to replace the HP.

I had mixed results with the alignment on the HP, and wasn't thrilled with the tonal gradation of many shots I printed with it. The alignment problem was actually difficulties with the cartridges themselves. About half of the cartridges would make very fine lines in the prints. I got tired of exchanging 'defective' cartridges.

I looked hard at the Epson 870/1270 printers. There seemed to be a severe color shifting problem in this area, so I decided to pass them by at this point. That was when I bought the HP1000. When that didn't work out well, I looked around once again.

The Canon 8200 had the best output of any of the low-cost inkjet printers. The only drawback I had with it was that it seemed to require the use of glossy paper, and I like to use matte paper (always have, even in the darkroom). I did like the individual ink tank design, where I didn't have to change the printhead all the time. Plus, I can change out only the color that's low. Nice.

Well, I bought it a month ago. Heck, it was only $300, so it's really not that much lost if it doesn't work out. Well, I've been really pleased with it. It seems to run forever on one ink load (50+ 8x10's at the max quality - the only way I print with it). At least when compared to the HP.

I also found that it works well with Ilford Semi-Matte Inkjet Paper - just set the printer up like it was using the Canon Pro Glossy paper. No problem at all. It doesn't work so well with the leftover HP Matte paper I have. Oh, well. I gave the HP printer and supplies to my wife to use with her Olympus D620L!

Only time will tell about the print longevity of the 8200. Personally, I'm not concerned about the idea that I'll have to replace the prints in 6 months. No problem. I still have the digital image stored safely away. Perhaps there will be a different ink formulation from someone that will allow the prints to last longer.

I think that this will be an issue with any inkjet printer, anyway. If I were wanting a print that lasted many years, I'd be printing on a Kodak 8670 Dye Sub with the transparent overlay. The Canon is really just an interim step until I get a dye sub, anyway. You know that the market will explode in that direction sooner or later (and I'm betting on sooner).

I may still pick up an Epson of some sort, though. There are six color B+W printing systems that are based on an Epson. I still like to do B+W, and the idea of a specific B+W printing system is appealing to me.

Stan
I visited my local computer store last night and looked at the Canon
8200. Unfortunately, I couldn't print a sample from my own file, but the
provided sample book photos were amazing. They really seemed superior to
both the HP 900/1000 printers and the Epson 870/1270. Now, all of these
printers can produce photographic results. But, being quite nearsighted,
I can generally see incredible detail at very close range without
glasses. Visible dots were virtually non-existent. On the HP, I see them
clearly and they are smaller on the Epsons, but on this printer, they
simply were NOT there.

Color was, as expected from Canon, excellent. Other characteristics were
consistent with what we expect from printers today. Even though I refill
my inks, I was impressed with the 6-color system that requires you to
only replace (or refill) individual colors as they become empty. The
driver, as depicted on the box, seems to be impressive at guaging
contents.

Why is this printer so little talked about? I have NO experience with
Canon printers. Is there something I don't know? They did not have an
8500 model. Is this a wide-format version?

Your input is appreciated

Dale
 
It took maybe 3 minutes to print out my
color 8x10 at highest resolution/quality.

Loving this printer BIG TIME!
Last night I got my Canon BJC-8200
at Best Buy and made my first two
prints on the included Canon Photo
Paper Pro. The results were
OUTSTANDING!
How long does it a take to print an
8x10 at the printers highest res?
Since you just printed your first
prints you won't have first hand
knowledge, but have you heard how
many 8x's you can get out of a set of
carts?

Seth
 

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