D60 Replacement Rumours: It's too early!

[danks]

I have no idea how these rumours get started. People just make 'em up I think.

It's far too early for Canon to announce a replacement for the D60 because:

a/ The thing has been out less than a year. (Granted, it will be 13 months if the replacement were to be announced in February.) and . . .

b/ It is still a situation where demand is exceeding supply.

That's my take. I have been wrong before but remember this post when there is no D60 replacement announced at PMA. I pick up my second D60 tomorrow, BTW.

Now . . . that raggedy, old 1D, with the measly 4.3 MP has been around FOREVER! Badly needs upgrading ;> )
--
Terry Danks
Nature & Wildlife (Hummingbirds!) Photography
http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/n1dcmc78/home.htm

 

[hawkeye1]

where is the rumor "stated" that says the D60 is being replaced?

I have no idea how these rumours get started. People just make 'em
up I think.

It's far too early for Canon to announce a replacement for the D60
because:

a/ The thing has been out less than a year. (Granted, it will be 13
months if the replacement were to be announced in February.) and .
. .

b/ It is still a situation where demand is exceeding supply.

That's my take. I have been wrong before but remember this post
when there is no D60 replacement announced at PMA. I pick up my
second D60 tomorrow, BTW.

Now . . . that raggedy, old 1D, with the measly 4.3 MP has been
around FOREVER! Badly needs upgrading ;> )
--
Terry Danks
Nature & Wildlife (Hummingbirds!) Photography
http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/n1dcmc78/home.htm

--
photography is my passion.

 

[Jason Hutchinson]

I have no idea how these rumours get started. People just make 'em
up I think.

It's far too early for Canon to announce a replacement for the D60
because:

a/ The thing has been out less than a year. (Granted, it will be 13
months if the replacement were to be announced in February.) and .
. .

b/ It is still a situation where demand is exceeding supply.

That's my take. I have been wrong before but remember this post
when there is no D60 replacement announced at PMA. I pick up my
second D60 tomorrow, BTW.

Now . . . that raggedy, old 1D, with the measly 4.3 MP has been
around FOREVER! Badly needs upgrading ;> )
--
Terry Danks
Nature & Wildlife (Hummingbirds!) Photography
http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/n1dcmc78/home.htm

 

[danks]

Check the "1st and last 1Ds" thread . . .

where is the rumor "stated" that says the D60 is being replaced?

--
Terry Danks
Nature & Wildlife (Hummingbirds!) Photography
http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/n1dcmc78/home.htm

 

[Walter #37034]

The D30 replacement was a rumor until it happed 13 months after it was out!

I have no idea how these rumours get started. People just make 'em
up I think.

It's far too early for Canon to announce a replacement for the D60
because:

a/ The thing has been out less than a year. (Granted, it will be 13
months if the replacement were to be announced in February.) and .
. .

b/ It is still a situation where demand is exceeding supply.

That's my take. I have been wrong before but remember this post
when there is no D60 replacement announced at PMA. I pick up my
second D60 tomorrow, BTW.

Now . . . that raggedy, old 1D, with the measly 4.3 MP has been
around FOREVER! Badly needs upgrading ;> )
--
Terry Danks
Nature & Wildlife (Hummingbirds!) Photography
http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/n1dcmc78/home.htm

 

[Steve13285]

If you take a look at the timelines you will see that it's quite likely that Canon will announce a replacement in February for availability in either Spring or Fall.

The D30 was on the market for 18 months before D60 took over (availability Oct 2000 for D30, March 2002 for D60.) By next Spring the D60 will have been on the market a year (though in short supply) and by fall 18 months.

Also I think Canon had a great luxury with the D30, since there wasn't any competition in the market space they created. As a result the D30 price point was higher, keeping demand down. The D60 availability problem is strictly a result of the low price point - if the D30 had been introduced at this price you would have seen the same problem.

And with every other camera manufacturer jumping into the market Canon can no longer sit back and enjoy high margins. If they wish to maintain their market share and leadership in this category they will be forced to stay ahead of the competition, and this means shorter product life cycle and lower prices.
So no, it's not too early. Expect an announcement by Feb 2002 at latest.
Regards,
Steve

I have no idea how these rumours get started. People just make 'em
up I think.

It's far too early for Canon to announce a replacement for the D60
because:

a/ The thing has been out less than a year. (Granted, it will be 13
months if the replacement were to be announced in February.) and .
. .

b/ It is still a situation where demand is exceeding supply.

That's my take. I have been wrong before but remember this post
when there is no D60 replacement announced at PMA. I pick up my
second D60 tomorrow, BTW.

Now . . . that raggedy, old 1D, with the measly 4.3 MP has been
around FOREVER! Badly needs upgrading ;> )
--
Terry Danks
Nature & Wildlife (Hummingbirds!) Photography
http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/n1dcmc78/home.htm

 

[Jason Hutchinson]

If you take a look at the timelines you will see that it's quite
likely that Canon will announce a replacement in February for
availability in either Spring or Fall.

I'm looking at the timeline, and coming up with a different conclusion. The last 2 cameras, D60 and 1Ds weren't announced 6 months before availability. The D60 was about a month, and the 1Ds almost 3, but you've got to announce something like that at Photokina for effect, not a month after.

The D30 was on the market for 18 months before D60 took over
(availability Oct 2000 for D30, March 2002 for D60.) By next
Spring the D60 will have been on the market a year (though in short
supply) and by fall 18 months.

Yes, I think something may happen by Fall at earliest.

And with every other camera manufacturer jumping into the market
Canon can no longer sit back and enjoy high margins.

It probably looks like this is what they were doing from the outside. I get that in my electronics industry as well. On the contrary, I bet they were working as fast as they could to stay ahead. If they ever stopped working as fast as they could, I will expect Nikon to leap right past them.

Jason

 

[danks]

Er, the D30 was only out for 18 months?

Anyhow, I'm sticking with my story . . . no D60 replacement at PMA in Feb.

Consider this a "cyber bet." :> )

I have no idea how these rumours get started. People just make 'em
up I think.

It's far too early for Canon to announce a replacement for the D60
because:

a/ The thing has been out less than a year. (Granted, it will be 13
months if the replacement were to be announced in February.) and .
. .

b/ It is still a situation where demand is exceeding supply.

That's my take. I have been wrong before but remember this post
when there is no D60 replacement announced at PMA. I pick up my
second D60 tomorrow, BTW.

Now . . . that raggedy, old 1D, with the measly 4.3 MP has been
around FOREVER! Badly needs upgrading ;> )

--
Terry Danks
Nature & Wildlife (Hummingbirds!) Photography
http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/n1dcmc78/home.htm

 

[Jason Hutchinson]

.. if they're going to fill the EOS 3 (and perhaps a new 1d?) gap next year, they're not going to have a lot of extra time to whip out a new D60 quickly.

jason

If you take a look at the timelines you will see that it's quite
likely that Canon will announce a replacement in February for
availability in either Spring or Fall.

I'm looking at the timeline, and coming up with a different
conclusion. The last 2 cameras, D60 and 1Ds weren't announced 6
months before availability. The D60 was about a month, and the 1Ds
almost 3, but you've got to announce something like that at
Photokina for effect, not a month after.

The D30 was on the market for 18 months before D60 took over
(availability Oct 2000 for D30, March 2002 for D60.) By next
Spring the D60 will have been on the market a year (though in short
supply) and by fall 18 months.

Yes, I think something may happen by Fall at earliest.

And with every other camera manufacturer jumping into the market
Canon can no longer sit back and enjoy high margins.

It probably looks like this is what they were doing from the
outside. I get that in my electronics industry as well. On the
contrary, I bet they were working as fast as they could to stay
ahead. If they ever stopped working as fast as they could, I will
expect Nikon to leap right past them.

Jason

 

[mjbauer]

So no, it's not too early. Expect an announcement by Feb 2002 at
latest.
Regards,
Steve

While I don't know if there will be a D60 replacement soon or not, we also don't know what the competition is doing. Canon, currently in a leadership position, badly wants to maintain that lead and its higher profit margins. So, will a replacement be announced? Yes. When? Let the speculation continue, why not its harmless. A replacement doesn't necessarilty mean the exisitng generation is useless not does the capability decrease, the D60 and its earlier kin, the D30 are still excellent DSLR's.

Who would Canon rather have make one of its products obsolete, a competitor or itself?
--
Mike Bauer

 

[Peter Gregg]

The new rumors start the same way people start rumors that there is no new camera coming!!

You can place your bet only 2 ways - new camera or no new camera at the USA largest show. All eyes will for sure be on it.

Then there is always the EOS-3D. But would that be a replacement for the D60 or would the D60 eventually just become the Digital Rebel?

The D60 is already pretty low, how much lower could they go? The AF system is about the poorest of all the DSLRs. All they need to do is make no changes at all and in a year it becomes a Digital Rebel all by itself. Well actually they could take RAW and the connectivity out of it to dummy it down. Then surely it could be a DR.

Pete

I have no idea how these rumours get started. People just make 'em
up I think.

 

[mgkaplan #79249]

legitimate autofocus and a few other minor tweaks.

You can place your bet only 2 ways - new camera or no new camera at
the USA largest show. All eyes will for sure be on it.

Then there is always the EOS-3D. But would that be a replacement
for the D60 or would the D60 eventually just become the Digital
Rebel?

The D60 is already pretty low, how much lower could they go? The AF
system is about the poorest of all the DSLRs. All they need to do
is make no changes at all and in a year it becomes a Digital Rebel
all by itself. Well actually they could take RAW and the
connectivity out of it to dummy it down. Then surely it could be a
DR.

Pete

I have no idea how these rumours get started. People just make 'em
up I think.

--
Michael

http://www.mikekaplan.com

 

[Thomas Gardner]

If you take a look at the timelines you will see that it's quite
likely that Canon will announce a replacement in February for
availability in either Spring or Fall.

My two cents says that Canon will announce product improvements before they announce a replacement.

This will be based upon their sales. If they're selling the poo-tie out of the D-60, then they don't need to announce a new product but it would be to their advantage to announce improvements. It doesn't mean that they're not designing and developing a replacement, it just means that they can get a few more miles out of the current production line.

Apparently, Canon is working on their very own chip plant. This is a good thing for both the consumers and Canon. It gives Canon control over chip design, development (prototypes) and manufacturing. This translates over to better, avante garde image receptors, which is good for the consumer.

Repeating, Canon will get mileage out of the new improved D-60 and when the chip plant is up and running, then they'll put the new Prosumer product on the market, which, in my view, will be a full size D-90 CMOS image receptor.

Warning: All prognositication brought to you by the warped thinking of.....

 

[T B Gray]

A 6 or 9 mp CMOS 1D makes more sense to me than a new "D60"

I have no idea how these rumours get started. People just make 'em
up I think.

It's far too early for Canon to announce a replacement for the D60
because:

a/ The thing has been out less than a year. (Granted, it will be 13
months if the replacement were to be announced in February.) and .
. .

b/ It is still a situation where demand is exceeding supply.

That's my take. I have been wrong before but remember this post
when there is no D60 replacement announced at PMA. I pick up my
second D60 tomorrow, BTW.

Now . . . that raggedy, old 1D, with the measly 4.3 MP has been
around FOREVER! Badly needs upgrading ;> )
--
Terry Danks
Nature & Wildlife (Hummingbirds!) Photography
http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/n1dcmc78/home.htm

--
Comments, criticisms, advice appreciated

 

[Thomas Gardner]

A 6 or 9 mp CMOS 1D makes more sense to me than a new "D60"

And there's no reason that your excellent suggestion couldn't be applied to both model's

I think Canon's upgrading of the 1D will be more dependent on their ability to reasonably upgrade the processor. Why? Because if they increase the mega-pixels, it will directly affect the burst frame rate of eight per second, using the same processor. More mega-pixels, coupled with same processor would drop the frame rate. How much, I don't know as I'm not going to take the time to do the math but using round numbers, I'd say a six mega-pixel ccd would give you a five or six per second frame rate as opposed to eight frames a second. I think the 1D and 1Ds processors are designed to handle about thirty-two plus megapixels per second. I don't know how much freeboard is built into the processor design.

 

[Jack A. Zucker]

I agree. First of all, Canon can't even keep up with demand on the D60 yet. Secondly, canon's MO is for them to wait until demand and sales wane, then add an incentive rebate such as the 1Gb microdrive, then they will announce a replacement...

 

[Steve13285]

I'm not sure if Canon will do this anytime soon. If they release a new model with all the positive characteristics of the D60 but work out the bugs and give it the 1D (or at least high quality) AF, they'll be killing a large segment of both their low end (D60) and high end (1D, 1Ds) market.

I'm thinking they want to retain the low end market for the mom&dad crowd. These cameras are more than enough for SLR enthusiasts who just need a camera for family, vacations, etc. This line would always sit just between the high-end prosumer models with fixed lenses and the "pro" level cameras like the 1D/1Ds.

If Canon produces a $2K SLR with fast accurate AF and shooting speed I think they'll be putting a big dent 1D/1Ds sales.
Just an opinion,
Steve

You can place your bet only 2 ways - new camera or no new camera at
the USA largest show. All eyes will for sure be on it.

Then there is always the EOS-3D. But would that be a replacement
for the D60 or would the D60 eventually just become the Digital
Rebel?

The D60 is already pretty low, how much lower could they go? The AF
system is about the poorest of all the DSLRs. All they need to do
is make no changes at all and in a year it becomes a Digital Rebel
all by itself. Well actually they could take RAW and the
connectivity out of it to dummy it down. Then surely it could be a
DR.

Pete

I have no idea how these rumours get started. People just make 'em
up I think.

--
Michael

http://www.mikekaplan.com

 

[Horst Kretzschmar]

Sure a replacement would have no sense, because D60 is selling very well. But Canon actually is finishing a new factory for chips, so in future they perhaps will be able to deliver very much D60 cameras at very low price. Because they don't want to do this (in respect to actually owners, who bought a high priced D60) they perhaps will bring out a little "D60" with less features, but very cheap. On tehother hand a 3D, priced a little above actual D60 would be a nice upgrade for today D60 users. Therefore a collection with (in future)

D55 = reduced D60 with 6Mpix, very aggressiv cheap,
3D = 8-9 Mpix with fast AF as semipro
1D / 1Ds = high priced pro

would be nice for all and would strongen Canons position.

--
H. Kretzschmar, Germany

 

[OhioMike]

More than likely the D60 upgrade will be a bigger chip and perhaps a smaller FOV crop around 1.3 instead of 1.6. I can't see any major improvements to AF or any of the other features folks are wishing for. Canon's going to make you buy the expensive stuff for that IMO. I can't see Canon putting out a model that will take away sales from the 1DS. An intermediate between the D60 and 1DS would certainly do this.

I dont doubt that there will be an upgrade this year though. As with the point and shoots of old the new digital SLR's will start coming out at a fast pace. We probably will see a D60 upgrade and possibly something new at the PMI this February. Nobody really knows for sure though for whats coming out and its all conjecture. Its fun to speculate though.

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Mike
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[koalafarm]

I spoke to my dealer - I asked if he had any 1D in stock and he said "no, but we are getting some 1Ds' which is the replacement for the 1D"

I asked him where he heard this and he said from his distributor.

It is obviously not true since they are different target markets, but just shows how badly informed people are!

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Mike
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