23 & 56 too late?

[samhain]

The 56 shouvd've been in the initial release, not that 60. The fact that it's still not out yet... It's bs. When the xpro was announced, I said I wouldn't get one until there was a dedicated fast portrait lens. At this point, I've lost intrest in the Fuji system. I love what they are doing, more than any other camera company, but... I'm tired of waiting. The Sony a7 will get my money that was set aside for the xpro2.

Blimey, has the A7 got a super-fast portrait lens in its line-up then?

Nope. But my Pentax 77, zeiss 135/1.8 and my(soon to acquire Leica 90/2) should do the job.

 

[57LowRider]

The 56 shouvd've been in the initial release, not that 60. The fact that it's still not out yet... It's bs. When the xpro was announced, I said I wouldn't get one until there was a dedicated fast portrait lens. At this point, I've lost intrest in the Fuji system. I love what they are doing, more than any other camera company, but... I'm tired of waiting. The Sony a7 will get my money that was set aside for the xpro2.

Blimey, has the A7 got a super-fast portrait lens in its line-up then?

Nope. But my Pentax 77, zeiss 135/1.8 and my(soon to acquire Leica 90/2) should do the job.

I have the Summicron-R E55 90/2, does a nice job with a portrait with my X-E1.

 

[Chris G Hughes]

One of the main reasons APS-C isn't dead is the X Trans sensor.

one of the main reason? I think you'll find that Nikon, Sony and Canon sell more APS-C cameras than Fuji

And? I'm not sure that rebuts my point.

because I don't see how the X system is a main reason why APS-C isn't dead, Canon, Nikon, Pentax and Sony all had thriving APS-C systems long before the Fuji X system and all continue to.

Did I say THE main reason? Nope. I said ONE OF the main reasons. The X_Trans sensor speaks for itself. I'm not sure why you feel the need to go after this comment...

 

[itairom]

The 56 shouvd've been in the initial release, not that 60. The fact that it's still not out yet... It's bs. When the xpro was announced, I said I wouldn't get one until there was a dedicated fast portrait lens. At this point, I've lost intrest in the Fuji system. I love what they are doing, more than any other camera company, but... I'm tired of waiting. The Sony a7 will get my money that was set aside for the xpro2.

Blimey, has the A7 got a super-fast portrait lens in its line-up then?

Nope. But my Pentax 77, zeiss 135/1.8 and my(soon to acquire Leica 90/2) should do the job.

And those lenses are unusable as portrait lenses on a Fuji camera because...?

Fuji's 56mm will ship about two years after the X-Pro1 shipped. By camera company standards, that's pretty speedy. I think m4/3 had about as long a wait for the 45mm f/1.8, and same with NEX for their (too short for portraits IMO) 50mm.

 

[LWS2013]

The 56 shouvd've been in the initial release, not that 60. The fact that it's still not out yet... It's bs. When the xpro was announced, I said I wouldn't get one until there was a dedicated fast portrait lens. At this point, I've lost intrest in the Fuji system. I love what they are doing, more than any other camera company, but... I'm tired of waiting. The Sony a7 will get my money that was set aside for the xpro2.

Blimey, has the A7 got a super-fast portrait lens in its line-up then?

You could use the Canon 85 f1.2 with an adapter and still have AF if you wanted it, on a FF that will give you more shallow DoF than the Fuji 56, so in answer to your question yes it does

 

[Krich13]

The 56 shouvd've been in the initial release, not that 60. The fact that it's still not out yet... It's bs. When the xpro was announced, I said I wouldn't get one until there was a dedicated fast portrait lens. At this point, I've lost intrest in the Fuji system. I love what they are doing, more than any other camera company, but... I'm tired of waiting. The Sony a7 will get my money that was set aside for the xpro2.

Blimey, has the A7 got a super-fast portrait lens in its line-up then?

Yes, just ordered one. Pretty small and light too. Available now. About the same background blur and light gathering as 56/1.2 will be.

Canon FDn 85/1.8, $200, 340 grams. Will use on my Fuji meanwhile.

Manual focus though...

Oh, and speaking of 23/1.4, an FDn 35/2 (the newest version) with 10 elements and floating element design also costs around $200.

 

[LWS2013]

One of the main reasons APS-C isn't dead is the X Trans sensor.

one of the main reason? I think you'll find that Nikon, Sony and Canon sell more APS-C cameras than Fuji

And? I'm not sure that rebuts my point.

because I don't see how the X system is a main reason why APS-C isn't dead, Canon, Nikon, Pentax and Sony all had thriving APS-C systems long before the Fuji X system and all continue to.

Did I say THE main reason? Nope. I said ONE OF the main reasons. The X_Trans sensor speaks for itself. I'm not sure why you feel the need to go after this comment...

I also quoted your "one of the main reasons" in my original reply, I still fail to see the reason behind that comment, the success of APS-C is down to Canon and Nikon mainly, Fuji just copied them with regards to sensor size

 

[Chris G Hughes]

LWS2013 wrote:
I also quoted your "one of the main reasons" in my original reply, I still fail to see the reason behind that comment, the success of APS-C is down to Canon and Nikon mainly, Fuji just copied them with regards to sensor size

The reason for my comment is manifestly obvious. Fuji is doing a lot more innovation in the APS-C space that any of the other big players. They're making APS-C the central element of their strategy on both the consumer and the technical side. For Fuji the APS-C is an opportunity to innovate and attempt to provide true FF quality in a compact package via their proprietary x-trans technology. Meanwhile Canon and Nikon are using APS-C just as it was used in the chemical realm: as a way to make smaller cameras. Period. Full stop.

Now, which path do you suppose holds more promise of a lasting future for the format? The passive Canon and Nikon approach or the active Fuji approach?

 

[Asylum Photo]

The 56 shouvd've been in the initial release, not that 60. The fact that it's still not out yet... It's bs. When the xpro was announced, I said I wouldn't get one until there was a dedicated fast portrait lens. At this point, I've lost intrest in the Fuji system. I love what they are doing, more than any other camera company, but... I'm tired of waiting. The Sony a7 will get my money that was set aside for the xpro2.

Blimey, has the A7 got a super-fast portrait lens in its line-up then?

You could use the Canon 85 f1.2 with an adapter and still have AF if you wanted it, on a FF that will give you more shallow DoF than the Fuji 56, so in answer to your question yes it does

You are an amazing troll. Bravo sir. Have fun with your Sony adapted "auto focus" Canon portrait lens.
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[LWS2013]

The 56 shouvd've been in the initial release, not that 60. The fact that it's still not out yet... It's bs. When the xpro was announced, I said I wouldn't get one until there was a dedicated fast portrait lens. At this point, I've lost intrest in the Fuji system. I love what they are doing, more than any other camera company, but... I'm tired of waiting. The Sony a7 will get my money that was set aside for the xpro2.

Blimey, has the A7 got a super-fast portrait lens in its line-up then?

You could use the Canon 85 f1.2 with an adapter and still have AF if you wanted it, on a FF that will give you more shallow DoF than the Fuji 56, so in answer to your question yes it does

You are an amazing troll. Bravo sir. Have fun with your Sony adapted "auto focus" Canon portrait lens.
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I didn't say I was getting a Sony A7 and a Canon 85mm I just pointed out what the previous poster failed to see and that makes me a troll?

again another person trying to hijack this thread because they don't like the truth, you sir are the troll

 

[Beat Traveller]

The 56 shouvd've been in the initial release, not that 60. The fact that it's still not out yet... It's bs. When the xpro was announced, I said I wouldn't get one until there was a dedicated fast portrait lens. At this point, I've lost intrest in the Fuji system. I love what they are doing, more than any other camera company, but... I'm tired of waiting. The Sony a7 will get my money that was set aside for the xpro2.

Enjoy your Sony!

I will. Can't wait to shoot portraits with the Pentax 77 ltd & Leica 90/2.

Fuji r just posted the 56 'might' be announced as early as January 6th.

Enjoy your wait.

And how long will you have to wait for the FE mount to have adapters for both of those lenses?

 

[TangoMan]

The 56 shouvd've been in the initial release, not that 60. The fact that it's still not out yet... It's bs. When the xpro was announced, I said I wouldn't get one until there was a dedicated fast portrait lens. At this point, I've lost intrest in the Fuji system. I love what they are doing, more than any other camera company, but... I'm tired of waiting. The Sony a7 will get my money that was set aside for the xpro2.

Blimey, has the A7 got a super-fast portrait lens in its line-up then?

Nope. But my Pentax 77, zeiss 135/1.8 and my(soon to acquire Leica 90/2) should do the job.

I don't get it. If you are going to focus manually with that sony camera, because there is no dedicated lens available for it now, why didn't you get one of the amazing 50 1.2 or 85 1.4 available on the market and shoot with the x-pro at launch? I can understand your frustration, but not your "solution!"

 

[Krich13]

the Pentax 77 ltd & Leica 90/2.

Fuji r just posted the 56 'might' be announced as early as January 6th.

Enjoy your wait.

And how long will you have to wait for the FE mount to have adapters for both of those lenses?

Zero seconds.

Any NEX adapter will do.

 

[Stumblingfalk]

I am a bit worried by Fuji's price policy. They started from perfectly acceptable $600 tag and drifting to $900 which sounds not so attractive. I love 23XF FOV, but $900...

On the other hand A7 + metabones opens the gate to the bunch of affordable high quality fix lenses.

 

[Beat Traveller]

the Pentax 77 ltd & Leica 90/2.

Fuji r just posted the 56 'might' be announced as early as January 6th.

Enjoy your wait.

And how long will you have to wait for the FE mount to have adapters for both of those lenses?

Zero seconds.

Any NEX adapter will do.

So it's the same mount, despite the name change? Kewl.

 

[Krich13]

So it's the same mount, despite the name change? Kewl.

Yep.

 

[Asylum Photo]

Summary for folks who want to catch up:

Trolol(s): Fujifilm takes too long to release lenses! They are failing as a company!

Response: The X-mount lineup has been out for 20 months, and they've released 10 lenses. Have a little patience.

The 56mm probably doesn't even exist, it's vaporware and Fujifilm is going to die as a company!

Fujifilm has released every lens they've said they were going to release so far. Not sure why you are jumping to this conclusion.

But Fujifilm PROMISED all these lenses when the X-Pro1 came out!

No, they didn't. They released a roadmap. Roadmaps are optimistic plans, essentially. As time went by and they released lenses, or announced cameras, they have updated the roadmap with clearer dates. In fact, I think the first roadmap released AFTER the X-Pro1 looks much more like today's roadmap. But really, the fact is, sometimes plans change. Sometimes challenges need to be overcome and that delays things. Fuji didn't lie, and didn't break promises.

Sony and Olympus released a bunch of lenses really quickly! They did it right!

Sony and Olympus have released lenses at a slower rate than Fujifilm. Fujifilm's X-mount series has only been out for 20 months. Sony has about a year on that, and MicroFourThirds has been out for 5(!) years. Again, a little patience.

Ok ok, but Sony and Olympus can use portrait lenses from other companies, so they did it right!

So can Fuji, via the same adapters.

Hahaha, but Sony can use CANON lenses with Auto Focus! OMG!

Yeah, how well do those Canon lenses auto focus?

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Conclusion? People looking for things to complain about.

Sure, we've had to wait a little while for a new camera system to mature. But guess what, that same thing happens for all the camera companies out there. Have a little patience. We're not even two years into this thing yet, and people are crying out that Fuji has been slow. It's crazy that 5 bodies and 10 lenses, and consistent firmware update support is considered slow, to me.

Is there some concern about Fuji's longevity? Sure. But again, they aren't alone in this. The compact market is dying quickly. DSLR sales are stagnating. Camera makers are searching for ways to stay relevant and shore up profits. Many manufacturers seem to be optimistic about mirrorless. Olympus and Panasonic have carved out the more compact segment. Sony seems to have been frustrated with the way APS has gone, and considering their investment in Olympus, it makes sense for them to go more upscale, and they have with a Full Frame system (which, we'll see how many lenses pop for it over the course of two years). Fuji has carved out it's own niche, with unique sensor technologies (whether good or bad is subjective) and strong lenses.

There's other companies involved also, Samsung, Ricoh, Nikon, Canon. Will all of the mirrorless manufacturers survive? Will all of them continue to make mirrorless? Who knows. But to assume Fuji is the one who is failing because they've "only" put out a new lens every two months is kind of ridiculous. If anything, the amount of product they've been putting out combined with the continued firmware support, suggests to me that they are doing well enough with the X-mount series they'll be sticking around for at least a few years (considering that development to release time is at least two years).

This is my last post in this hilarious thread. Hopefully logical thoughts will prevail for once, heh.

 

[The Davinator]

....share some pictures of yours with us so we can evaluate your need for these lenses.

 

[liquid stereo]

....share some pictures of yours with us so we can evaluate your need for these lenses.

Please evaluate his need. Buy it for him as well.

 

[The Davinator]

....share some pictures of yours with us so we can evaluate your need for these lenses.

Please evaluate his need. Buy it for him as well.

So, because I proved you wrong on something, you're now going to stalk my posts?