S120, Initial Impressions from a former S95 Owner and novice photographer

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For me the new Digic 6 alone is worth the upgrade. It's a veritable SPEED demon compared to the S95. The touchscreen is also an awesome upgrade, and I already find myself using it to tap on areas I want to focus on using 1-point focus in P mode.

I'm amazed that in spite of all the changes, I still have to set the AE down -1/3 or -2/3s in P mode, exactly how I had it set on the S95 because of its tendency to blow out highlights. Although, the dynamic correction setting seems to do a better job of correcting this than the iContrast setting I used to try on the S95. This is my one gripe about auto mode, which I might use more often if it allowed us to adjust AE.

The My Colors settings also seem about the same in quality, and like how they organized and beefed up the different scene modes (though sad they removed color accents).

I can't make up my mind which suits me better, digital zoom or digital teleconverter, but test shots show the results to be about the same in quality (unless I max out the digital zoom, then the results are more distorted and grainy). The IQ here is also much better than the S95.

The vast improvement in focus speed means I can use this camera to take pictures of objects that actually move. YAY! :D


I'm also waiting for an opportunity to try out the built in neutral density filter (also new to me coming from the S95) and to play around with the noise reduction settings at high ISO. There's Low, Standard and High. On the S95 I would cap my ISO at 800 as anything higher was too noisy for my tastes, but it seems like I can easily go to 1600 here with the same results. I'll have to take a few shots for comparison and see what NR and Max ISO settings I ultimately prefer.
Does anyone have sample shots of noise reduction at different settings, and using the neutral density filter? I'm curious to see how they look in the meantime.

Finally, not sure why they removed Stitch Assist. This strikes me as a camera that could have performed very well taking panoramic shots, so this removal seemed wholly unnecessary. I use DoubleTake on my MacBook for stitching together shots, so I'm going to see how well I can still accomplish that without the benefit of Stitch Assist. Still, for those who are avid panorama shooters, this may not be the camera for you.

Overall though, I'm very happy with this upgrade, love that there's new night scene options to play with, the blazing speed of the camera functions and the focus, and the IQ of low light shots that still remains on par or better than the S95. I had been tempted by the IQ of Sony's RX100, but in the end I appreciate the convenience of being able to use the same batteries, accessories and the same Canon menu system I've always been familiar with, plus the smaller form factor (the RX100 is just a little too bulky for my tastes).
 
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P.S. My personal preference is to shoot largely in P Mode, with AE set to -1/3 or 2/3, My Colors set to Positive Film, or using Custom Colors where I boost the saturation and sharpness up a notch. I'm mostly a static shooter so I like to do shots with longer shutter speeds and smaller apertures using 1-point focus, although I typically try to pull these off handheld without resorting to a tripod.
 
Thank you for sharing your interesting hands-on experience with us.
For me the new Digic 6 alone is worth the upgrade. It's a veritable SPEED demon compared to the S95. The touchscreen is also an awesome upgrade, and I already find myself using it to tap on areas I want to focus on using 1-point focus in P mode.

I'm amazed that in spite of all the changes, I still have to set the AE down -1/3 or -2/3s in P mode, exactly how I had it set on the S95 because of its tendency to blow out highlights. Although, the dynamic correction setting seems to do a better job of correcting this than the iContrast setting I used to try on the S95. This is my one gripe about auto mode, which I might use more often if it allowed us to adjust AE.

The My Colors settings also seem about the same in quality, and like how they organized and beefed up the different scene modes (though sad they removed color accents).

I can't make up my mind which suits me better, digital zoom or digital teleconverter, but test shots show the results to be about the same in quality (unless I max out the digital zoom, then the results are more distorted and grainy). The IQ here is also much better than the S95.
A significant difference between the digital tele-converter and the normal digital zoom is that the later stars when the optical zoom has reached T end with F5.7 max while the DTC starts at the WA end with F1.8 max and gradually decreases to F5.7 when it reaches T end with a max FL of 180 mm or 240 mm, which is much more useful in low light as the larger aperture gives the option of a faster shutter speed or a reduced noise level, with near-optical-quality IQ. What's your experience with that?
The vast improvement in focus speed means I can use this camera to take pictures of objects that actually move. YAY! :D

I'm also waiting for an opportunity to try out the built in neutral density filter (also new to me coming from the S95) and to play around with the noise reduction settings at high ISO. There's Low, Standard and High. On the S95 I would cap my ISO at 800 as anything higher was too noisy for my tastes, but it seems like I can easily go to 1600 here with the same results. I'll have to take a few shots for comparison and see what NR and Max ISO settings I ultimately prefer.
When done, please share your findings.
Does anyone have sample shots of noise reduction at different settings, and using the neutral density filter? I'm curious to see how they look in the meantime.

Finally, not sure why they removed Stitch Assist. This strikes me as a camera that could have performed very well taking panoramic shots, so this removal seemed wholly unnecessary. I use DoubleTake on my MacBook for stitching together shots, so I'm going to see how well I can still accomplish that without the benefit of Stitch Assist. Still, for those who are avid panorama shooters, this may not be the camera for you.

Overall though, I'm very happy with this upgrade, love that there's new night scene options to play with, the blazing speed of the camera functions and the focus, and the IQ of low light shots that still remains on par or better than the S95. I had been tempted by the IQ of Sony's RX100, but in the end I appreciate the convenience of being able to use the same batteries, accessories and the same Canon menu system I've always been familiar with, plus the smaller form factor (the RX100 is just a little too bulky for my tastes).
 
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P.S. My personal preference is to shoot largely in P Mode, with AE set to -1/3 or 2/3, My Colors set to Positive Film,
Thanks for the review. Sounds like the S120 is a definite improvement speed-wise.

I prefer Positive Film mode on the G15 also.
 
Thanks for the digital teleconverter explanation, I'll definitely have to play around with it once I find some scenes to try it out on.

I had a chance to test the noise reduction for high ISO settings with all three settings at 3200 ISO:

1/30 shutter, f/4, 3200 ISO, 1/3 AE with noise reduction at high ISO set to LOW
1/30 shutter, f/4, 3200 ISO, 1/3 AE with noise reduction at high ISO set to LOW

1/30 shutter, f/4, 3200 ISO, -1/3 AE, with noise reduction at high ISO set to STANDARD
1/30 shutter, f/4, 3200 ISO, -1/3 AE, with noise reduction at high ISO set to STANDARD

1/30 shutter, f/4, 3200 ISO, -1/3 AE, with noise reduction at high ISO set to HIGH
1/30 shutter, f/4, 3200 ISO, -1/3 AE, with noise reduction at high ISO set to HIGH

Someone in another thread mentioned there was more loss of detail at higher ISOs for the S120 than for the S110, but I suspect this can be resolved by setting the NR to low. For me though the loss seems so minimal that I may become comfortable shooting with NR at standard and high.

Can't wait to try out the ND filter and digital zooms once I find some decent landscapes to shoot at. :D
 
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Shoot at f/1.8 and max wide angle. DPReview's sample and the one I tested were both very soft on the right edge of the frame at that setting, especially when compared directly to the left side of the frame at the same setting.

I'd like to get this camera, but I won't tolerate this decentering.
 
I'm pretty sure I shot this at max wide angle (f/1.8):



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How's it look?

Shoot at f/1.8 and max wide angle. DPReview's sample and the one I tested were both very soft on the right edge of the frame at that setting, especially when compared directly to the left side of the frame at the same setting.

I'd like to get this camera, but I won't tolerate this decentering.

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Lee Jay
 
Thanks for the digital teleconverter explanation, I'll definitely have to play around with it once I find some scenes to try it out on.

I had a chance to test the noise reduction for high ISO settings with all three settings at 3200 ISO:

Someone in another thread mentioned there was more loss of detail at higher ISOs for the S120 than for the S110, but I suspect this can be resolved by setting the NR to low. For me though the loss seems so minimal that I may become comfortable shooting with NR at standard and high.
Thanks. When viewed full screen I haven't seen much difference between Low/Standard/High, and I'm quite impressed by the overall IQ for ISO 3200 pictures... better than my current camera!!
Can't wait to try out the ND filter and digital zooms once I find some decent landscapes to shoot at. :D
 
I'm pretty sure I shot this at max wide angle (f/1.8):

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How's it look?
There's no detail to examine on either edge (the right could be the top or the bottom depending on how you were holding the camera).

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Lee Jay
 
I'm pretty sure I shot this at max wide angle (f/1.8):

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How's it look?
There's no detail to examine on either edge (the right could be the top or the bottom depending on how you were holding the camera).

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Lee Jay
Plus it seems to be 16:9, might be better to set it to 4:3 so it`s not cropped (part of the sensor top/bottom being cut-off).
 
You'll have to click on original because DPReview's in-line image posting is broken on purpose.



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Lee Jay
 
This is what I wrote to Leejay on his post:

Lee Jay

I ordered a S120 from B&H Thursday last. However, on my monitor (Sony Bravia 40" - perfectly tuned) I can see no difference in the two shots, they both look the same as far as IQ. I'm not being flippant, but maybe you're being a tad bit "nit-picky"?

But I will test mine when I get it!

Maybe I need new glasses or something, because I can't see what he's talking about!

Perhaps as time goes on with new owners of the S120 we will get proof that is much more definitive.
 
This is what I wrote to Leejay on his post:

Lee Jay

I ordered a S120 from B&H Thursday last. However, on my monitor (Sony Bravia 40" - perfectly tuned) I can see no difference in the two shots, they both look the same as far as IQ. I'm not being flippant, but maybe you're being a tad bit "nit-picky"?\
Are you kidding? Look at the "stripes" on the roof (and don't forget to look at the original size).
 
Actually it's 3:2, my preferred ratio for shooting. I'll try to take some more pictures tomorrow in 4:3 with more detail on the right edges to see if I can spot it.
 
My personal preference is to shoot largely in P Mode, with AE set to -1/3 or 2/3, My Colors set to Positive Film, or using Custom Colors where I boost the saturation and sharpness up a notch. I'm mostly a static shooter so I like to do shots with longer shutter speeds and smaller apertures using 1-point focus, although I typically try to pull these off handheld without resorting to a tripod.
Similar to my settings. I've always needed EC of -1/3 or -2/3 with any Canon I use. I've found normal Sharpness to be preferable with the S120, though I will post-sharpen some images. I pretty much always use single-point, center focus (smallest area) then re-compose if necessary. I've not tried the Positive Film color setting but will today.

I find the AF on the S120 particularly fast and good, even in low light (unlike my S100). I've achieved some very usable results with ISO of 2000-3200 in some cases, surprising for such a small camera. Very pleased with upgrade from S100, though the S120 may tend to show a bit more color fringing at 24 mm and f/1.8 to 2.8 than my S100 at f/2-2.8. No indications of lens de-centering as discussed by one owner.

I did add a FlipBac G2 grip, since I missed the small grip on my S100. Works well, and even can be removed and re-installed if it isn't aligned quite right the first time.

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Phil
 
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I used to go no higher than 800 ISO on my old S95, although I did occasionally get some usable 1600 ISO photos, but now it seems like I can go 3200 easily (and perhaps higher) with the NR set to standard or high. The slight loss of detail doesn't annoy me as much as the noise does, so I'm very pleased with the Digic 6's results here.

I'll need to try 1 point with the smaller frame size like you are and see if the make a difference in producing sharper images. I don't know why, it seems like no image prior to post processing is ever sharp enough for my tastes, but then this seems to be par for the course for compact cameras (I checked RX100 samples just to see if it was Canon in particular, but they're basically the same as well for sharpness.)
 
Here's a sample image I've tried with maximum angle and f/1.8 stop at 4:3 ratio:



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I took one more shot outside with the same settings:



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Yours looks just about right to me. Pretty solid performance for a small-sensor and an f/1.8 zoom lens.
 
Thank you, honestly, just to play it safe I'd buy the camera at a retail store with a good return policy and closely aspect for any signs of defect right off the bat, and if they exist return it and exchange it for another camera.

I'll be keeping this one though. :D
 

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