600D 5K+ Shutter Actuations On "New" Purchased Camera - Advise Please

[FZ150GUY]

Hello,

I just purchased a 600D from a Business Trader on eBay UK. The item was described as@

Item condition: New other (see details)

“Item is as new in box with all accessories. Some units may have minor blemishes/scratches as this is ”

However when I put a new memory card in camera the photo count starts at: IMG_5155 - am I to assume this camera has done over 5k photos? BTW I did low level format card in camera 1st, same high numbers with another card.

Although I did get camera (600d/18-55 IS KIT) for a good price £329 in my opinion 5000 pics make it 2nd hand, seems rather a lot if if display model, what do you all think and what would you do about it?

Cheers

 

[karl mohr]

I'd be a little bit upset about it. Maybe you should contact the seller and see if he's willing to do anything for you. Maybe a partial refund, or maybe he'd send you a new one. Did the camera look like it was being unwrapped for the first time? You could always give him a negative rating if you can't come to an acceptable agreement. I think Magic Lantern could verify the current count as well.

 

[Digirame]

Well, if it was a display model for 100 days, that would be approximately 50 clicks a day (on average). Or if it was a display model for 50 days, then that would be approximately 100 clicks a day. That seems reasonable to me, if the store was popular and a lot of people were handling the camera. Normally a DSLR like the Canon 600D (T3i) with 5K clicks should have plenty of remaining life. I would think that you could get more than 50K clicks with it and with about 10K clicks a year, in 5 years it will probably be out-of-date compared to the next generation of cameras, so you'd be ready for another upgrade anyway.

I think it's all good...congratulations. I hope you enjoy your new camera.

 

[Binary Hulled Ion]

That's true, and as long as the camera doesn't have any other signs of wear and tear, it's still in absolutely good condition. However, it'd be a little upsetting to me to receive a product branded as "new" when it isn't, in fact, new. Especially when you're talking about an older-model camera.

I'd contact the seller and ask him about the shutter count. He may offer you some sort of discount, or at the very least, an apology. If he's curt, then negative feedback. If he doesn't respond at all, go through eBay's conflict resolution center. This is one of the reasons I don't spend any more than $50 on eBay (about £35 if my in-head conversions are working somewhat close to accurate). I've been fleeced more than once.

 

[hifly]

I wouldn't worry unduly. Test the camera to make sure it's not faulty and check the warranty is UK valid. Basically you've paid about £50 less than a genuine new UK model.

 

[Digirame]

On Ebay, I've been fleeced maybe 5% of the time. I agree with you, about keeping the purchase price low. I stretched it a couple of times with some old Olympus DSLR cameras that averaged in cost to me for about $160 (USD) each. One of them had an extremely high shutter count (from a pawn shop) and the other one had about 5K on it (from an individual). But to this day, all of them work fine. I was happy with the purchases overall...saved a lot of money that way in those days. But that was a long time ago. Now it's mostly Canon for me.

 

[Midwest]

Digirame wrote:

Normally a DSLR like the Canon 600D (T3i) with 5K clicks should have plenty of remaining life. I would think that you could get more than 50K clicks with it

Per Canon even the earlier Rebels were good for 100,000 shutter clicks.

 

[WilbaW]

Binary Hulled Ion wrote:

it'd be a little upsetting to me to receive a product branded as "new" when it isn't, in fact, new.

Yeah, but in this case it was described as "Item is as new". That means as good as new, but it probably has been taken out of the original packaging and may have had some light use, for instance as a demonstrator. I would assume, in the absence of further information, that the OP missed that subtlety. I wouldn't assume that the vendor was attempting to misrepresent the item, given what we know.

If you got a camera with 5K clicks on it for a good price, and it's otherwise as good as new (tight, clean, no scratches around the tripod mount, healthy battery...), you have nothing to complain about. It's a great camera, enjoy.

 

[DanCee]

andypandy1962 wrote:

Hello,

I just purchased a 600D from a Business Trader on eBay UK. The item was described as@

Item condition: New other (see details)

“Item is as new in box with all accessories. Some units may have minor blemishes/scratches as this is ”

However when I put a new memory card in camera the photo count starts at: IMG_5155 - am I to assume this camera has done over 5k photos? BTW I did low level format card in camera 1st, same high numbers with another card.

Although I did get camera (600d/18-55 IS KIT) for a good price £329 in my opinion 5000 pics make it 2nd hand, seems rather a lot if if display model, what do you all think and what would you do about it?

Cheers

It's Obvious it's been used. How many clicks? It can be 5155 or less. Why less, if it's coming from store where they use it for demonstration/test, they often use card from one camera to another. Click number is high because it's keep on going from one camera to another.. just a thought.

Anyway, Rebel can do 100k.. so it's still long way to go. To reset your counter see in the menu where you can reset the numbering.

--
Denny

 

[FZ150GUY]

DanCee wrote:

andypandy1962 wrote:

Hello,

I just purchased a 600D from a Business Trader on eBay UK. The item was described as@

Item condition: New other (see details)

“Item is as new in box with all accessories. Some units may have minor blemishes/scratches as this is ”

However when I put a new memory card in camera the photo count starts at: IMG_5155 - am I to assume this camera has done over 5k photos? BTW I did low level format card in camera 1st, same high numbers with another card.

Although I did get camera (600d/18-55 IS KIT) for a good price £329 in my opinion 5000 pics make it 2nd hand, seems rather a lot if if display model, what do you all think and what would you do about it?

Cheers

It's Obvious it's been used. How many clicks? It can be 5155 or less. Why less, if it's coming from store where they use it for demonstration/test, they often use card from one camera to another. Click number is high because it's keep on going from one camera to another.. just a thought.

Anyway, Rebel can do 100k.. so it's still long way to go. To reset your counter see in the menu where you can reset the numbering.

 

[AuroraProject08]

DanCee wrote:

andypandy1962 wrote:

Hello,

I just purchased a 600D from a Business Trader on eBay UK. The item was described as@

Item condition: New other (see details)

“Item is as new in box with all accessories. Some units may have minor blemishes/scratches as this is ”

However when I put a new memory card in camera the photo count starts at: IMG_5155 - am I to assume this camera has done over 5k photos? BTW I did low level format card in camera 1st, same high numbers with another card.

Although I did get camera (600d/18-55 IS KIT) for a good price £329 in my opinion 5000 pics make it 2nd hand, seems rather a lot if if display model, what do you all think and what would you do about it?

Cheers

It's Obvious it's been used. How many clicks? It can be 5155 or less. Why less, if it's coming from store where they use it for demonstration/test, they often use card from one camera to another. Click number is high because it's keep on going from one camera to another.. just a thought.

Anyway, Rebel can do 100k.. so it's still long way to go. To reset your counter see in the menu where you can reset the numbering.

 

[DanCee]

andypandy1962 wrote:

DanCee wrote:

andypandy1962 wrote:

Hello,

I just purchased a 600D from a Business Trader on eBay UK. The item was described as@

Item condition: New other (see details)

“Item is as new in box with all accessories. Some units may have minor blemishes/scratches as this is ”

However when I put a new memory card in camera the photo count starts at: IMG_5155 - am I to assume this camera has done over 5k photos? BTW I did low level format card in camera 1st, same high numbers with another card.

Although I did get camera (600d/18-55 IS KIT) for a good price £329 in my opinion 5000 pics make it 2nd hand, seems rather a lot if if display model, what do you all think and what would you do about it?

Cheers

It's Obvious it's been used. How many clicks? It can be 5155 or less. Why less, if it's coming from store where they use it for demonstration/test, they often use card from one camera to another. Click number is high because it's keep on going from one camera to another.. just a thought.

Anyway, Rebel can do 100k.. so it's still long way to go. To reset your counter see in the menu where you can reset the numbering.

--
Denny

So you are saying putting in a memory card from another camera it will transfer the count to the camera memory, so if I had put in a card with 10k pic on it it would push the camera count to that level thus putting in new fresh car it would carry on from there?

BTW does any one know when using Av mode is it supposed to do multiple shots rather than one, as this does?

Yes, if I recall correctly, I have experienced like that not long ago.. the counter jumps when I'm using other card (from other Canon). When I put the first card back, it just continues. So, that might happen to your case.. but you can't be sure. Just my theory.

No. Multiple shot happens when you set it to do multiple shot.. it doesnt matter which mode if it's on highspeed mode, then it will do multiple shot when you press too long.

If you're not going to ask the seller again regarding the number of click, I think it's best to reset to factory setting. So, you'll start fresh and standard. You can read the manual and change it when necessary.

--
Denny

 

[Binary Hulled Ion]

WilbaW wrote:

Binary Hulled Ion wrote:

it'd be a little upsetting to me to receive a product branded as "new" when it isn't, in fact, new.

Yeah, but in this case it was described as "Item is as new". That means as good as new, but it probably has been taken out of the original packaging and may have had some light use, for instance as a demonstrator.

Then it's not new. It's a floor model.

I can't check at the moment, but what's eBay's policy on what's new and what isn't? The few times I've sold, it's flashed warnings about selling an item as new. I believe the term is "in it's original, unopened condition." That could easily mean that the product might no longer be factory sealed, but should be in precisely the same state as one that is. 5k clicks is not that state. It's not a huge deal, but it's worth noting to the seller.

 

[Philip Kendall]

andypandy1962 wrote:

So you are saying putting in a memory card from another camera it will transfer the count to the camera memory, so if I had put in a card with 10k pic on it it would push the camera count to that level thus putting in new fresh car it would carry on from there?

Yes, precisely that. The first shots with my really truly genuinely new 550D were numbered around the 6K mark... because when I unboxed it, I grabbed the nearest memory card which was handy: the one from my Canon P&S. The 550D saw the folder structure on the card and just carried on with the numbering from there.

Or put another way: don't use filename as any indication of shutter count. If anybody's really trying to fleece you on that, they'll do a factory reset just before selling it.

If you really want to know the shutter count, you could install Magic Lantern.

BTW does any one know when using Av mode is it supposed to do multiple shots rather than one, as this does?

If you're getting multiple shutter actuations, you've almost certainly got exposure bracketing on. If you're getting one shutter actuation, but multiple images, that's white balance bracketing.

 

[WilbaW]

Binary Hulled Ion wrote:

WilbaW wrote:

Binary Hulled Ion wrote:

it'd be a little upsetting to me to receive a product branded as "new" when it isn't, in fact, new.

Yeah, but in this case it was described as "Item is as new". That means as good as new, but it probably has been taken out of the original packaging and may have had some light use, for instance as a demonstrator.

Then it's not new. It's a floor model.

Yep, it's not new, it's as new.

I can't check at the moment, but what's eBay's policy on what's new and what isn't? The few times I've sold, it's flashed warnings about selling an item as new. I believe the term is "in it's original, unopened condition." That could easily mean that the product might no longer be factory sealed, but should be in precisely the same state as one that is. 5k clicks is not that state. It's not a huge deal, but it's worth noting to the seller.

"Some units may have minor blemishes/scratches as this is..." clearly states that this camera has not just been taken out of the box and put straight back in.

 

[miked58]

There are several ways to get an accurate shutter count. Try google eosinfo or astrojargon..I think it read my 600D shutter count.

 

[dwalby]

andypandy1962 wrote:
So you are saying putting in a memory card from another camera it will transfer the count to the camera memory, so if I had put in a card with 10k pic on it it would push the camera count to that level thus putting in new fresh car it would carry on from there?

Yes, the number is based on the memory card, and the last shot number stored in the camera internal memory, not the actual shutter count.

There are 4 options that determine how it reads and carries on with image numbering.

1. In continuous numbering mode it will read the highest image number on the card, compare that to the number in the last shot memory, take the higher value and add one for the next shot number.

2. In continuous mode if you format the card and erase all images, it will do the same as #1, but since there's no image on the card, by default it will use the last shot number in the memory, and add one.

3. In auto reset numbering mode it will ignore the last shot in internal memory, and add one to the highest number it finds on the card. (use this mode and leave just one file on the card to set the counter to any value you want by editing the image number on a computer, take one shot, then switch to continuous numbering mode)

4. In auto reset mode if you format the card and erase all images it will reset to image number 1.

 

[Binary Hulled Ion]

We'll just agree to disagree. To me "new" and "as new" are synonymous.

 

[iancrowe]

Binary Hulled Ion wrote:

We'll just agree to disagree. To me "new" and "as new" are synonymous.



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- Burnnie
* Any opinions expressed may not reflect any common sense, logic, or reason.

It would probably be better if the OP used a utility like this to determine the true shutter count rather than rely on the "semi-random" number applied to his file names.

Ian

 

[Peter Bendheim]

Earlier poster is correct - camera will continue numbering from what was on the card put in - even if camera was never used. Lots of free software on the web for determining actual actuations. Your concerns, therefore, maybe completely unfounded.