Samyang 8mm f/2.8 Fisheye as a first lens: big mistake or fun way to start?

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i bought the NEX F-3 with kit lens 18-55mm last year and i instantly fell in love, it being my first camera that wasn't a point and shoot.

a year later, i am now thinking about buying a new lens. basically i'm leaning towards the Samyang 8mm f/2.8 Fisheye lens, but if the cons outweigh the pros i would get the Sony SEL 35mm f/1.8

i am aware that you can't really compare a fisheye lens to others lenses, and that much of the decision to buy a fisheye will depend on whether you like the perspective it brings, but i'm still trying to weigh the pros and cons, and those two lenses are the ones that fit my budget - given the UK's import tax, the best i could find was the Samyang for £220 ($340) and the SEL35F18 for £330 ($513).

from reading a few reviews and user comments, this is what i have found so far:

Samyang pros: very well built, great depth of field, good quality pictures, sharp and great contrast, and its pretty cheap, so its great value for money + it looks kind of 'retro' ;)

Samyang cons: nothing really, except that you eventually get tired of the fisheye perspective

SEL35F18 pros: very good low-light performance helped by OSS for long exposure shots, smooth bokeh, fast and accurate autofocus, great sharpness

SEL35F18 cons: at wide open, vignetting and chromatic aberrations not well controlled, more expensive

my use would primarily be for street photography and landscapes, day as well as night - i personally find the fisheye effect interesting, but i also enjoy shooting with focus on closer subjects and getting nice bokehs. i don't take that many portraits, so the fisheye wouldn't be that crippling.

would the 8mm f/2.8 Fisheye be able to do bokehs? and do you think getting a fisheye lens as a first step is a mistake, and that people usually get tired of the effect very fast? is autofocus and the move from f/2.8 to f/1.8 worth the $170 bump in price?

i read that it's fun to use, and i thought that being manual, it would also introduce me to setting the aperture right for the snaps i want to take...

any thoughts?

yann.
 
My NEX is also my first camera upgrade from a P&S and I am a learner now. If I were you and have that budget of around $500 I would go for 35/1.8 and learn more with such a nice prime lens and it's possibilities as a good walk around prime. I will consider fish eye only second or third option as it will be not used regulary and cannot compared to the usability, versatility and learning experience of a good prime though I too like the fish eye photos and it's perspective.
 
i bought the NEX F-3 with kit lens 18-55mm last year and i instantly fell in love, it being my first camera that wasn't a point and shoot.

a year later, i am now thinking about buying a new lens. basically i'm leaning towards the Samyang 8mm f/2.8 Fisheye lens, but if the cons outweigh the pros i would get the Sony SEL 35mm f/1.8

i am aware that you can't really compare a fisheye lens to others lenses, and that much of the decision to buy a fisheye will depend on whether you like the perspective it brings, but i'm still trying to weigh the pros and cons, and those two lenses are the ones that fit my budget - given the UK's import tax, the best i could find was the Samyang for £220 ($340) and the SEL35F18 for £330 ($513).

from reading a few reviews and user comments, this is what i have found so far:

Samyang pros: very well built, great depth of field, good quality pictures, sharp and great contrast, and its pretty cheap, so its great value for money + it looks kind of 'retro' ;)

Samyang cons: nothing really, except that you eventually get tired of the fisheye perspective

SEL35F18 pros: very good low-light performance helped by OSS for long exposure shots, smooth bokeh, fast and accurate autofocus, great sharpness

SEL35F18 cons: at wide open, vignetting and chromatic aberrations not well controlled, more expensive

my use would primarily be for street photography and landscapes, day as well as night - i personally find the fisheye effect interesting, but i also enjoy shooting with focus on closer subjects and getting nice bokehs. i don't take that many portraits, so the fisheye wouldn't be that crippling.

would the 8mm f/2.8 Fisheye be able to do bokehs? and do you think getting a fisheye lens as a first step is a mistake, and that people usually get tired of the effect very fast? is autofocus and the move from f/2.8 to f/1.8 worth the $170 bump in price?

i read that it's fun to use, and i thought that being manual, it would also introduce me to setting the aperture right for the snaps i want to take...

any thoughts?

yann.
The Samyang 8mm fisheye is a great lens but i find it fairly challenging/difficult for shooting.
The only use for the 8mm is for extremely tight scenes, e.g. indoors, cathedrals, outdoor close ups of buildings etc. Of course, it can be great fun to experiment with a fisheye but in my opinion it is not the first choice when it comes to street street photography.

I don't have the SEL35mm but from what I have seen, the famous and cheaper SEL50mm has a superb bokeh, definitely superior compared with the 35mm.

This is certainly a matter of personal preference, but my very personal favourite lens for street and landscape photography is the Sigma 19mm. Very sharp, very nice contrasts and afocal length that perfectly suits my way of doing photography.
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Yann33 wrote:

i bought the NEX F-3 with kit lens 18-55mm last year and i instantly fell in love, it being my first camera that wasn't a point and shoot.

a year later, i am now thinking about buying a new lens. basically i'm leaning towards the Samyang 8mm f/2.8 Fisheye lens, but if the cons outweigh the pros i would get the Sony SEL 35mm f/1.8

i am aware that you can't really compare a fisheye lens to others lenses, and that much of the decision to buy a fisheye will depend on whether you like the perspective it brings, but i'm still trying to weigh the pros and cons, and those two lenses are the ones that fit my budget - given the UK's import tax, the best i could find was the Samyang for £220 ($340) and the SEL35F18 for £330 ($513).

from reading a few reviews and user comments, this is what i have found so far:

Samyang pros: very well built, great depth of field, good quality pictures, sharp and great contrast, and its pretty cheap, so its great value for money + it looks kind of 'retro' ;)

Samyang cons: nothing really, except that you eventually get tired of the fisheye perspective
And that will most probably happen rather soon.
SEL35F18 pros: very good low-light performance helped by OSS for long exposure shots, smooth bokeh, fast and accurate autofocus, great sharpness

SEL35F18 cons: at wide open, vignetting and chromatic aberrations not well controlled, more expensive
Non corrected aberations wide open are good for this type of lens. They help define lens character, and you usually don't need sharp corners wide open, but SEL 3518 doesn't have much uncorrected aberrations in fact.
my use would primarily be for street photography and landscapes, day as well as night - i personally find the fisheye effect interesting, but i also enjoy shooting with focus on closer subjects and getting nice bokehs. i don't take that many portraits, so the fisheye wouldn't be that crippling.
Samyang 8mm f2.8 is really good lens and you will surely enjoy it. But it is the last lens that I would use for street and just occasionally for landscape.

SEL 3518 has larger usabillity, and will serve you well in most situations. On the other hand, you can go with Samyang and add some cheap legacy 50 f/1.7-f/2 if you want to play with a shellow DOF.

For street, your kit lens is just fine. For landscape too in fact. If you want sharper corners and better contrast, consider Sigma 19. It's very good landscape lens for NEX.
would the 8mm f/2.8 Fisheye be able to do bokehs? and do you think getting a fisheye lens as a first step is a mistake, and that people usually get tired of the effect very fast? is autofocus and the move from f/2.8 to f/1.8 worth the $170 bump in price?

i read that it's fun to use, and i thought that being manual, it would also introduce me to setting the aperture right for the snaps i want to take...

any thoughts?

yann.
 
I do think you'd get bored with the fisheye perspective eventually, but if you really like it, go for it.

For me, the next step after kit lenses are fast primes.

Each to their own, though.
 
ottonis wrote:

The only use for the 8mm is for extremely tight scenes, e.g. indoors, cathedrals, outdoor close ups of buildings etc. Of course, it can be great fun to experiment with a fisheye but in my opinion it is not the first choice when it comes to street street photography.


Please don't tell my Rok 8 that, it thinks it's a landscape lens too! ;-)

This works pretty well.

This works pretty well.

But, it's easy to do this if you aren't paying attention.

But, it's easy to do this if you aren't paying attention.

You are right though, it's not usually the first lens I reach for when shooting landscapes (street would be worse I think). I really wouldn't recommend it as a first lens for a new NEX user, especially one coming from a P&S.





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I've had the Samyang for a while. I just got the SEL35F18 recently. I love the fisheye...for very specific shots.

The 35, on the other hand, opens up a lot of opportunities that the kit lens doesn't offer. You can shoot in lower light and play with DOF. You'll start learning about adjusting to primes and thinking more about focal length in general. I feel like using the 35 is teaching me more about photography than the fisheye has.

I'd recommend the 35 now and the fisheye down the line.

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Jim,

Noting the obvious distinction between the two photos that you posted, is that a software correction or a difference in shooting technique?

Thanks in advance for the assistance.
 
The Samsung 8mm is a specialty lens, but a very good one.

If it was me Iwould get the 18-55mm or the 16-50 AND the Sigma 19mm and 30mm lens. (I really like the 16-50mm for its size and its wider angle).

The zoom covers most of the stuff I do, but the Sigmas lenses are very, very crisp, and you can see the difference !

Just a thought from someone who has all these lenses !

wll
 
Jim Parsons wrote:
Ira Chaplik wrote:

Jim,

Noting the obvious distinction between the two photos that you posted, is that a software correction or a difference in shooting technique?

Thanks in advance for the assistance.

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Ike
In the first shot the camera was (nearly) level, in the second shot it was tilted down. That's the beauty of a fisheye for landscapes- the world can be flat or round. Whatever you decide. :-D

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Jim Parsons
JIM!

Thanks SO much for that demonstration! I thought I would need the software correction to get an image like that top one - but now I see I need a bubble level - the leveling display in the EVF isn't THAT precise!

Here's why it's significant to me - I travel internationally with just an iPad 3. Now I know how to beat the fish look!

My Rokunar 8mm f2.8 arrives from Amazon tomorrow.

Mel
 
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Fisheye is good practice for composition, and rewarding when you get it right. I wouldn't recommend it as a first lens, but the Samyang definitely deserves a position in every NEX shooters' camera bag. Here's another one with the fisheye, no correction:



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Glad to help, but be aware that it will still bend the edges of the frame depending on the scene. You'll have fun with it, I'm sure. :-)
 
u try with your kit lens to only shoot at 18mm.

then on another day, u try to shoot only at 55mm.

Then you review your pictures and see what you love. I have the 8mm too. I really love the photos. But the problem is that the 8mm likes my dry box more then my camera. Anyway different people like to take different things. so it is up to their liking.

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Choose the 35/1.8 first. I DO have that 1 AND the Samyang 8mm: really, you will find much more use for the 35, the 8mm can be fun though and at times VERY usefull. (amd BOTH lenses are good quality!)
 
Kevin - a question - have you ever used it for a vertical? paying the same attention to leveling it? I shoot a lot of cathedral, synagogue and mosque interiors, and I was thinking that if I could get high (like in the women's balcony in an orthodox synagogue, it could make a amazing shot, ceiling to aisle.


kev777zero wrote:

Fisheye is good practice for composition, and rewarding when you get it right. I wouldn't recommend it as a first lens, but the Samyang definitely deserves a position in every NEX shooters' camera bag. Here's another one with the fisheye, no correction:



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Fabulous, thanks Jim.
 
I don't have any pictures I can think of on top of my head, but at long as you put the horizon of the image in the center of the image, whether in vertical or horizontal position, the image will look like a non-fisheye shot.
 

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