CG-5 Tracker

just Tony

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A couple of years ago I shifted my hobby investments more towards photography and somewhat away from astronomy to better match where I was spending my time. One of the items I stepped away from was an extremely capable German equatorial mount which wasn't being fully utilized in part because of its 110 pound weight and the long-ish setup time. However I still wanted a tracking mount for wide field photos. "Wide Field" meaning what I get from any of my camera lenses that range from 16 to 300mm. The question was, what to choose?

a. New German equatorials seemed to end up running about $1000 once I selected a satisfactory one.

b. Air-travel portability wasn't a consideration. Being transportable via car was good enough. I'd consider the pricey AstroTrac if I was headed to Australia for a weekend.

c. I could easily get by without a Declination axis.

I ended up purchasing a used Celestron CG-5 over at AstroMart for $200, complete with polar alignment scope and steel tripod. The aluminum tripod has a poor reputation but the wood version seems to be about as well liked as the steel one. The tripod setup is a bit clumsy but it can be transported without folding the legs in hatchbacks, wagons, SUVs and minivans.

I wasn't going to use the Declination axis so I unbolted it (2 screws). That saves a fair amount of weight due to both the axis assembly itself and the counterweight.





The bare aluminum "hockey puck" you see above is a custom bit I had locally machined for $35 that serves as a mounting point for the Really Right Stuff lever clamp.

Dovetail clamps are my standard mounting technique for terrestrial shooting and they are doubly useful when working in the dark; triply useful when your fingers are cold. This enhancement is worth considering no matter what one uses for a tracking mount, but this one happens to be irrevocably commited to the job because I drilled out the center hole in order to free up the optical path of the polar alignment scope which lives inside the hollow Right Ascension axis. There is a happy coincidence with the clamp: an old polar scope reticle illuminator I have is a good fit in it.

Here is the mount supporting my biggest payload, a 300mm f/2.8:





Going from the bottom up starting at the RRS clamp there is:

A generic dovetail plate from Kirk Photo, with 3/8-16 thread.

RRS BH-55 ball head (or I could use any 2-axis head).


Wimberley Sidekick which strictly speaking is just a luxury. The added lever arm probably lengthens the damping time but that's still well within one second. When everything is locked down it all feels extremely solid.

The box connected to the camera is my own interval timer design which is based on a microcontroller. It's not unique other than being much easier to set than any of the commercial units I've seen and it uses a rechargeable lithium battery. The CG-5's C-cell battery box has been replaced with a lead-acid battery. A full night of operation will use less than 1/2 of the charges.

If you start a thread about equipment in this forum at this time of year it's probably traditional to show an example image of M42 that was made with it. I won't make any claims of accuracy on the colors because I did my shooting under a heavily light polluted suburban sky and had to work to coax the detail out while killing the sky glow. This image is heavily down-sampled from a substantial crop (30% of the area) out of the D800 frame. 6 layers aligned and averaged in CS6, 25 seconds each. In the original frames the four brightest members of the Trapezium are just barely resolved, but they merged in the downsampling, Curves, and Level treatment.





Summarizing this customized mount for use as a tracker:

a. The cost was relatively modest (vs a purchase of new commercial equipment), about $400 total when I lump in the modified RRS clamp. That's more than one would spend on a barn door mount but with superior operational qualities IMO.

b. The payload capability is much more than the heavy 300/2.8 pictured above.

c. Mechanical setup time is about a minute including basic polar alignment. The mount head includes geared adjustments for the azimuth and elevation axes.

d. Basic alignment has been adequate for lenses up to 105mm with exposure times up to 4 minutes.

e. With the 300mm and basic alignment I can go for a minute. For longer exposures I'd want to tweak the alignment via the drift method.

f. Dovetail mounting is a tremendous luxury and insurance, vs. fiddling with screws in the dark.

g. It's "portable enough" for my use model but it's not what I would consider to be a candidate for international air travel.

h. The steel tripod is no lightweight but it could support a truck. The wooden leg option is probably lighter and just about as good. I have never heard anything good about the aluminum leg option so be wary about them.

i. It's easily converted back into a full 2-axis mount for a telescope via just a few screws.
 

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great post and excellent informative post - I have a CG5 and I use it for a C11, an 80mm f6 APO and camera and telephoto




great result, well done
 
just Tony wrote:
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Summarizing this customized mount for use as a tracker:

a. The cost was relatively modest (vs a purchase of new commercial equipment), about $400 total when I lump in the modified RRS clamp. That's more than one would spend on a barn door mount but with superior operational qualities IMO.
This is an excellent idea -- and an excellent M42.

For those who want to go cheaper still, an RA-only drive from an old Criterion or Edmund or similar would also work. Or an old CG4 with a single-axis drive.
f. Dovetail mounting is a tremendous luxury and insurance, vs. fiddling with screws in the dark.
Don't know the vintage of this CG5, but these days most "middleweight" GEMs use dovetails, either the Vixen style (1.75") or the Losmandy/CGE style (3"), either of which would easily hold a ballhead and would allow using a scope as well.

Agree about the portability issues. Not a carry-on solution, but handy enough to take out regularly.
 
Tony - do you have a link for the camera controller?

I've just started with the D800 and have been just going with manual and 30 seconds...using the time delay and starting in live view I can run off 9 shots without the mirror bouncing between shots.

However, after the nine the camera's live view is on...so some extra usage on the battery if I don't get to it right away and fire off another sequence.

Thanks for the heads up and any alternatives to eliminate mirror slap, get exposures over 30 seconds, and get more than 9 shots at a time.

Dan

:)
 
Dan wrote:

Tony - do you have a link for the camera controller?
There's a simpler alternative for this application. As a bonus you wouldn't have the umbilical cord:



(The original application I built it for lies dormant until my next eclipse: real time clock sequence timing with high absolute accuracy. I haven't seen that feature in commercial products.)



Thanks for the heads up and any alternatives to eliminate mirror slap, get exposures over 30 seconds, and get more than 9 shots at a time.
With the Vello I linked above, Bulb mode, and a mount stout enough to settle within 2 or 3 seconds to allow use of the in-camera delay feature you'd be good to go.
 
wfektar wrote:

For those who want to go cheaper still, an RA-only drive from an old Criterion or Edmund or similar would also work. Or an old CG4 with a single-axis drive.
Absolutely true. There are plenty of them around and it doesn't take very long to find a decent deal. Some of them will benefit from a gear mesh adjustment and possibly a cleaning, but there are many maintenance tips online.
 
just Tony wrote:
BillHinge wrote:

great post and excellent informative post -
Thanks for the kind words!
I have a CG5 and I use it for a C11
Did you have to buy an extra counter weight? :-) Impressive.



Yes, the mount and 3 weights came with the C11, in fact the mount was more or less free since I got the package at a sale price. I had to take the CG5 apart and tune it up, change dovetails etc but it is just about possible to use for planetary and lunar photography with a bit of effort. I have a nice 80mm APO triplet that is much easier to use on the CG5 though
 
Tony that looks like the ticket.

Got a few more experiments to run using the shutter delay and Nikon interval shooting...though the Vello looks like it would do everything needed.

Dan

:)
 

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