Photosmith on iPad: anybody with some experience to share?

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After reading the great article about iPad workflow I was going to purchase Photosmith App, but I found several negative reviews at the App Store. Many bugs, sudden crashes, iPad gallery destroied or modified, too slow, etc..

I would like to collect the comments from real users of this App among dpreview members, as I feel a lot of whining often comes from superficial use of the tools.

Any comment from Photosmith users is welcome!
 
Crashes are now a thing of the past. I've used it from early days and have seen it get radically better - faster, better UI - so I am overall happy I bought it.

Sophie
 
I am using Photosmith in perhaps the most difficult configuration. A camera/eye-fi/jpeg/ipad/LR/RAW workflow. Like the previous poster mentioned the App has improved enormously over the last few months but I still run into problems of the App occasionally freezing or crashing. Part of the problem is that the eye-fi connection I feel is inherently a bit flakey. It is also a bugger to set up the first time if you intend to use Photosmith with an eye-fi card.

Having said all that the App itself is fantastic and I use it several times a week. It saves me a lot of time. Wifi syncing of metadata from jpegs to RAW via wifi from ipad to LR is very fast now at around 3 to 4 photos a second. So as long as you are prepared to put in a little effort to get it up and running it is very worthwhile.
 
I am using Photosmith in perhaps the most difficult configuration. A camera/eye-fi/jpeg/ipad/LR/RAW workflow.
What version of the Eye-Fi card do you use? I just got an Eye-Fi Mobi. I tried to follow Photosmith's instructions but the Mobi doesn't work with the desktop configuration program EyeFi Connect.

I stopped using Photosmith 2.x du to instability. I tried 3.0 and it was significantly more stable. I haven't been able to settle into a workflow that works for me yet. I blame most of that on Apple's proprietary nature. Apple's photo management bites and Apple won't open access to the hardware for apps like Photosmith to access a card reader directly. So, I am trying to use an Eye-Fi card to bring Jpegs straight to Photosmith and later sync with RAW's in Lightroom.

Can I use the Mobi this way or do I need to move up to the X2?

Keywords: Eye-Fi Mobi Photosmith Lightroom, iPad
 
Apple sells two different hardwired dongles (Lightning Camera USB and SD card reader). If you can’t figure out how to use one of the several Wi-Fi transfer solutions (an app and a Wi-Fi network, a Wi-Fi card, or a wireless hub like iUSBPort, Kingston MobileLite Wireless, or SanDisk Connect Multimedia device, etc.) or don’t want to, those hardwired options are always there.

As far as interfacing a tablet with a PC/Mac, just plug the Lightning USB cable (that came with your iDevice) from your iDevice into a USB port on the PC/Mac. Then upload images into whatever application you like (Lightroom, Aperture, etc.). No need for iTunes but that option is still there.

From the matrix (see link below) it appears that a restriction with the Mobi is moving files directly from the Mobi to a PC/Mac.


Just to clarify, you can use the Mobi to get JPEG images from a camera to a tablet/smart phone. After that, getting images from a tablet/smart phone to a PC/Mac can be done several ways (an app or two using HTTP, WebDAV, FTP, Bluetooth, etc., hardwired using your iDevice USB cable, using a wireless hub, or using the web and Dropbox, etc.).
 
Apple sells two different hardwired dongles (Lightning Camera USB and SD card reader). If you can’t figure out how to use one of the several Wi-Fi transfer solutions (an app and a Wi-Fi network, a Wi-Fi card, or a wireless hub like iUSBPort, Kingston MobileLite Wireless, or SanDisk Connect Multimedia device, etc.) or don’t want to, those hardwired options are always there.

As far as interfacing a tablet with a PC/Mac, just plug the Lightning USB cable (that came with your iDevice) from your iDevice into a USB port on the PC/Mac. Then upload images into whatever application you like (Lightroom, Aperture, etc.). No need for iTunes but that option is still there.

From the matrix (see link below) it appears that a restriction with the Mobi is moving files directly from the Mobi to a PC/Mac.

http://www.eye.fi/products

Just to clarify, you can use the Mobi to get JPEG images from a camera to a tablet/smart phone. After that, getting images from a tablet/smart phone to a PC/Mac can be done several ways (an app or two using HTTP, WebDAV, FTP, Bluetooth, etc., hardwired using your iDevice USB cable, using a wireless hub, or using the web and Dropbox, etc.).
That response was as uninformative and shallow as a marketing glossy and it didn't appear to actually answer any question.

Where to start.
How about with a disclaimer. I am a programmer. I am not a fanboy of any particular OS but most of my experience is with Windows and Android. I believe that computers should serve me and do things the way I want, not the other way around.

I bought an iPad Retina because:

1) My wife had one and I knew I would have to be her tech support, so I better get familiar with it.

2) It had what I considered to be the best screen around at the time.

3) I wanted to try the Apple experience.

4) Photosmith is iPad only.

I wanted to shoot on a short trip, start tagging on the flight home, sync the photos and tags with Lightroom, and not carry a laptop with me. A travel laptop and base desktop with Lightroom is a pain because Adobe can't figure out how to easily sync them.

Photosmith promised to meet my needs but at version 2.x , it sucked. It was not ready for pro, semi pro, or avid amateur use, but you had to be hard core of some kind to use it. You had to be willing to tolerate frequent crashes and restarts and never knowing if your database was quite right. However it was the only game in town to tag photos in a Lightroom compatible way.

A lot of the problems came from the iPad and Apple. From a programmer's point of view, Apple's photo handling should be scraped and restarted from scratch by somebody who actually wants people to use it. It's buggy as hell and worse, it's locked down so unless you want to provide your own photo file handling from scratch, you have to deal with it.

The Photosmith Devs got fed up enough to right their own and released it with 3.0. That's part of why 3.0 took so long to release. It was worth the wait. 3.0 is much more stable and bypasses many of the problems induced by Apple.

Photosmith has always natively supported Eye-Fi. Not having an Eye-Fi, I could never get a workflow that really worked for me. Native Eye-Fi support means PSmith doesn't have to go thru Apple's photo roll or Eye-Fi's app and the numerous problems associated the combination.

I bit the bullet and bought an Eye-Fi Mobi. Based on what I could read from the marketing material (ahem), it seemed to do the things that I needed and the x2 version seemed a little over complicated for me.

At this point I have bought an iPad and an Eye-Fi card to support PSmith. All that to support mobile tagging for Lightroom. How screwed up are my priorities?

I bought the iPad lighting USB dongle expecting to plug any USB thumb drive or USB to SD/CF/etc reader. I captured to CF and SD at the time and I thought one dongle better than 2. Well, the USB dongle is fussy and won't read most thumb drives and adapters. Apple knows what's good for me. I might run with scissors or something. But guess what. I can plug a US$2 USB dumb hub into the dongle and then my CF reader into that and Apple's fat, dumb, and happy. Not only does it impose unreasonable restrictions, it doesn't even enforce them very well. At lease the SD dongle does seem to work.

Back to the Mobi. It is a dumbed down version for people who can't configure a wireless network. Worthy market. But the Mobi appears to require you to use their app with of course uses the Apple photo roll which screws up a number of things making Psmith/Lightroom tag-syncing a pain.

I love Psmith but until I get my workflow right, It's just a toy. I think once I get the right Eye-Fi card, things will improve a lot. Why not another wireless solution that was mentioned? Because Psmith doesn't natively support it. You have to go through the Apple interface and that makes a difference.

Bart1969, I like Psmith and recommend it but I think you need an Eye-fi to go with it. The workflows without it are not worth the hassles.

Apologies for the rant.
 
After a previous rant, I feel the need to start clean.

All statements are "my opinion". I am not a pro. I am not afraid of being wrong. Caveat reader.

I shoot RAW+JPEG. RAW for me to play with. JPEG for my wife who doesn't want to wait for my results.

If you are using Ps standalone, and not with Lightroom (LR for short), you have other goals than I do so the rest my not matter to you.

I use LR for image management and processing. I have many complaints about LR but it is still the best tool around.

Integrating Ps into a useful Lightroom workflow requires an Eye-Fi card or maybe something similar. I don't know enough about other Wi-Fi card solutions to know whether or not they work with Ps or not. Other workflows just perpetuate the problems you are trying to solve with Ps in the first place. I say that because I went for a long time with just LR and Ps and without an Eye-Fi.

I just bought an Eye-Fi Mobi. After an initial false start that was likely my fault, it appears that that the Mobi will do basically what I want it to do. I am running into other problems that, so far, I blame on Apple.

The preferred workflow requires a dual card camera with the ability to shove RAW into one card and JPEG into the other. Setup the camera and card so that JPEG's go to the Eye-Fi. Configure Ps to suck off the JPEG's. Tag in Ps. Back home, load the RAW's into LR. Sync Ps and LR (still working the details there). Clear photos out of Ps in prep for the next shoot.

If anyone has specific questions I will try to answer them.
 

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