OM-D E-M5 + Tokina 500mm Mirror Lens

highwave

Senior Member
Messages
1,298
Reaction score
311
Location
Upstate, NY, US
The OM-D is more or less my first ever interchangeable lens camera and I've been thoroughly introduced to the fun of having an interchangeable lens system (as well as the big whole in the pocket).

I honestly wanted to try everything I could get into. It's something hardly there for fixed lens cameras. And you sort of do have the choice of what you want to try out and how much you want to pay for it.

The mirror lens was a prime example of photographic exploration. I was really intrigued by the novelty of a lens using mirrors like a Newton telescope. I planned to get one even before I bought the OM-D. I knew all about their shortcomings which made me even more interested in getting one.

And soon enough I landed a deal on a Tokina 500mm f8 for less than 50$. It's a lovely relatively small mirror lens with acceptable performance when talking in terms of mirror lenses. Not as good as the Tamron but nowhere near as expensive either. Plus it looks great on the OM-D.





I have to admit, the lens was terrible. Contrast, not there. Speed, forget about it. Sharpness, what? It's so terrible that even when I use my 14-150mm and crop it to fit the same size as the 500mm Tokina (that's about a 1/3 crop) the 14-150mm cropped image is still much sharper, contrasty, and colorful than the Tokina down to the pixel level. And I don't believe I got a bad copy either. I looked at what's available on the web and it seems to be what to expect of it.

But having said all that. I have to say, I HAD LOADS OF FUN. It's so easy to use a lens with autofocus or a simple normal lens. But when you use a 1000mm equivalent lens which is only as fast as f11 realistically and has razor sharp depth of field, the challenge is on. I'd say about 5% are keepers. The rest are just for laughs. But when you nail it, you get that sensation of achievement that really justify having the lens.





It's all for the fun and I have no complaints about it that way. I even try my best to get that donut bokeh a lot of people hate. Really not as easy as I thought.

I sure wish that EVF stabilization worked on legacy lenses. When you use it on native lenses it's downright spooky how well it works. I was anticipating this kind of aid when using the 500mm lens but sadly nothing but shaky previews (I never ever use a tripod).

But for the spirit of fun I have to admit being new to system cameras, I will never look back again on fixed lens cameras in the same way.
 
My what a boring photo. It's just a sparrow.

--- Looks closely ---

Hey, wait a minute!!! Nice shot!!!
 
Hi Highwave,

Even though I use a FF DSLR I have to agree with you that the fun you can have mounting a multitude of legacy lenses on the OM-Dis immense and for that reason (and others) it will be my next camera purchase. However I do wish Olympus would make the HG and SHG lenses available in the native MFT mount.

Best regards, Howard
 
I have the Vivitar 500mm Mirror lens and it also produces soft/no contrast photos, but you can get some intesting results if you use them as a base and combine them with art filters, I have also seen blurry photos plublished in magazines taken with regular lenses for special effects, the mirror lenses are good for that.
 
I just got my E-M5 last night and have been going through the settings. I think you can get the camera to use IS when you are manually focusing legacy lenses. See the DPReview guide to setting up the E-5M.

From the article --- "If you want to retain this stabilized view, even when you're manually focusing legacy lenses, there's another setting you'll need to change. 'LV Close Up Mode' on the second page of section D of the Custom menu defines whether half-pressing the shutter cancels live view magnification. Changing this setting to 'Mode 2' allows you to combine the camera's magnified live view with its image stabilization."

I have a bag full of legacy Olympus lens including the 350 mm f2.8 and a Sigma 600 mm mirror which I'm looking forward to trying out on the E-5M.

****
 
As far as mirros go, I have never been impressed with the Tokina 500mm f8.

Best to go with the Zuiko 500/8, or Tamron 350/5.6 for best results... although you won't get one for $50. Even a Sigma 400/5.6 or 600/8 are improvements to the Tokina. If you want a light weight and ver small mirror, the Kalimar 300/5.6 is also pretty good if you can find one. I have been fortunate to own quite a few mirror lenses and they work quite nice on the 4/3 and m4/3, and they weigh so much less when you want to travel more lightly and want that long range just in case.

Here's a shot of the plane that VP Biden came in on in St Croix during our Christmas/New Year vacation last year using my Fujifilm X10.



But I also had my E-PL2 handy with the Zuiko 500mm F8 with a Vivitar 2x OM teleconverter lens (1000mm and handheld). So when Biden came out...





 
I sure wish that EVF stabilization worked on legacy lenses. When you use it on native lenses it's downright spooky how well it works. I was anticipating this kind of aid when using the 500mm lens but sadly nothing but shaky previews (I never ever use a tripod).
EVF stablilization works on legacy lenses, you just have to set correct focal length.

i'm using legacy lenses all the time and you can see EVF stabilization for stills when half pressing the shutter button

--
my gear:
E-M5+45mm/1.8
E-520+12-60+14-42+70-300+Sigma 105 + FL-50R+EC20
and good amount of legacy lenses (list in profile)
 
Hi Highwave,

Even though I use a FF DSLR I have to agree with you that the fun you can have mounting a multitude of legacy lenses on the OM-Dis immense and for that reason (and others) it will be my next camera purchase. However I do wish Olympus would make the HG and SHG lenses available in the native MFT mount.

Best regards, Howard
You won't regret it. Being able to mount practically any lens in existence is one thing. But being able to image stabilize all of them and have a sensor that works great in high ISO is just a whole different dimension.

I really can't praise the IBIS enough. Especially for long focal lengths. It's just as good as any modern lens based IS but you get to have it on all lenses.

And oh boy is it fun to buy a lens for 14.99$ and get tack sharp images with fantastic bokeh. There are fantastic lenses out there that became orphaned because their system died. But the good ones are on the rise in price.
 
I sure wish that EVF stabilization worked on legacy lenses. When you use it on native lenses it's downright spooky how well it works. I was anticipating this kind of aid when using the 500mm lens but sadly nothing but shaky previews (I never ever use a tripod).

But for the spirit of fun I have to admit being new to system cameras, I will never look back again on fixed lens cameras in the same way.
That a great catch with the bird and the bug, like he's contemplating dinner.

Having fun with equipment is what it's all about. For 50 bucks you have a cool artistic tool when the opportunity arises.

I'm waiting for my local shop to get the M-5 in stock so I can handle it and decide whether to buy it. I was assuming though was that the EVF image would be stabilized with ANY lens. I can't see why it shouldn't be...unless Olympus intentionally disabled it. I've got a nice cache of Nikon MF legacy lenses that I'm anxious to put on the M-5 with it's IBIS. I use them now on a GF1, but it's almost impossible to focus longer focal length because of the jitters and low resolution screen.
 
As far as mirros go, I have never been impressed with the Tokina 500mm f8.
Yeah I sort of knew about that before buying it but I wanted to test the waters before buying an expensive mirror lens. And I have to say, the waters are good. I think I like mirror lenses.
Best to go with the Zuiko 500/8, or Tamron 350/5.6 for best results... although you won't get one for $50. Even a Sigma 400/5.6 or 600/8 are improvements to the Tokina. If you want a light weight and ver small mirror, the Kalimar 300/5.6 is also pretty good if you can find one.
I had a look at a lot of those mirror lenses you mention. It seems that whenever a mirror lens is very good, the price skyrockets. The Tamron 500mm for instance is well over 200$. What this tells me is that the market for mirror lenses is pretty good. It's just that good mirror lenses are lacking. Hence the reason for inflated prices on some of them. I really think manufacturers should reconsider mirror lenses and make modern high quality products for reasonable prices.

Also, some of those mirror lenses are actually giants. Pictures don't show it but if you see them mounted on a camera a lot of them even dwarf FF SLRs.
I have been fortunate to own quite a few mirror lenses and they work quite nice on the 4/3 and m4/3, and they weigh so much less when you want to travel more lightly and want that long range just in case.
This is exactly why I was looking at mirror lenses. I saw how gigantic glass tele lenses are and there is simply no way I'll be using something that large personally. I like compact systems hence my investment in m43. I think mirror lenses are a great addition to m43. I also happen to like the bokeh effect.
Here's a shot of the plane that VP Biden came in on in St Croix during our Christmas/New Year vacation last year using my Fujifilm X10.
Yep the power of mirror lenses. There is also the stealth factor. No one ever expect you to be shooting them when you're practically on the other side of the planet holding a dinky little camera with an unassumingly small lens. As a matter of fact, the stealth factor is so great, my colleague at work calls my mirror lens the pervert lens.

Unfortunately no matter how powerful the magnification is I quickly learned that the limiting factor when grabbing things from a distance is the quality of the air. Haze, moisture, heat fluctuation, practically anything will degrade the image rapidly. At such a small viewing angle, that's just one huge column of air between you and the far away subject. It doesn't stop one from trying though :)
But I also had my E-PL2 handy with the Zuiko 500mm F8 with a Vivitar 2x OM teleconverter lens (1000mm and handheld). So when Biden came out...
I looked at those 2X converters but I'm pretty surprised they're not cheap at all. I was planning on getting one but for the price tag they ask for them I don't think I will. I even didn't find one native to m43 either.

Right now what I'm looking at is the Tokina 300mm f6.3 native to m43.

It looks great on the OM-D. Small, cute and stealthy.

http://www.cscrumors.com/2012/06/29/unboxing-of-the-kenko-tokina-300mm-f6-3-mirror-lens/

and image quality is very good if this site is to be believed:

http://www.cscrumors.com/2012/06/20/comparing-the-kenko-tokina-300mm-f6-3-mirror-lens-for-micro-four-thirds-with-other-tele-lens-available-in-market/

with an IQ this good, and then using the 2X crop factor of m43 and using the highly praised DTC function of the OM-D for an effective view of 1200mm and I'm all set.

I'm just going to wait for the Tokina to go down to a reasonable price rather than the humorous asking price of 500$ running on ebay right now.
 
I'm waiting for my local shop to get the M-5 in stock so I can handle it and decide whether to buy it. I was assuming though was that the EVF image would be stabilized with ANY lens. I can't see why it shouldn't be...unless Olympus intentionally disabled it. I've got a nice cache of Nikon MF legacy lenses that I'm anxious to put on the M-5 with it's IBIS. I use them now on a GF1, but it's almost impossible to focus longer focal length because of the jitters and low resolution screen.
Sorry my bad,

the others are right, you can use EVF stabilization on legacy lenses. I just tried and it worked.

Sorry for causing the confusion. If you're using legacy tele lenses then just go for it. You'll be amazed at how well it works.
 
From the article --- "If you want to retain this stabilized view, even when you're manually focusing legacy lenses, there's another setting you'll need to change. 'LV Close Up Mode' on the second page of section D of the Custom menu defines whether half-pressing the shutter cancels live view magnification. Changing this setting to 'Mode 2' allows you to combine the camera's magnified live view with its image stabilization."

****
Well what do you know, It actually worked!

No thanks for the riddle like menus of Olympus. If I spend a decade I would have never figured that one out by myself.

@Domagoj Batinic

Thanks for the heads up on the focal length adjustment. At first it didn't work. But then I fixed the focal length and it worked great. You can even hear the IBIS working hard to keep things steady. Amazing considering the 1000mm equivalent focal length.

Qudos to the OM-D (except the menus)
 
Dont blame the Tokina when.... your picture is out of focus.

At this magnification reflex lenses have a very thin depth of field.....(focus is on the
back of the bird)
and they need very much care when focusing.
The Tokina was a just a good lens as the Tamron was..... I am old enough to
have all the tests that where made back then archived..

They were not as good as the Zeiss reflex or the Nikon or the canon but not very far off....
I made a test with a 2000 mm Celestron on a V1 series 1 Nikon..
thats an equivalent of 5400 mm on FF......

http://nikonrumors.com/2012/01/21/nikon-v1-ft1-adapter-celestron-reflex-2000mm-f10-5400mm.aspx/

Peter
 
I agree, the $500 price being asked for the Tokina 300mm F6.3 mirror is quite a bit more than it would be worth to most people. I started my mirror collection back before so many people started driving up these prices on ebay. My Zuiko 500/8s (I have two) cost me about $300 each and were a bargain by today's prices.

Good luck with your wait... it would be nice of the price would drop about $200 and the lens would come in black, eh?
 
highwave wrote:

with an IQ this good, and then using the 2X crop factor of m43 and using the highly praised DTC function of the OM-D for an effective view of 1200mm and I'm all set.

I'm just going to wait for the Tokina to go down to a reasonable price rather than the humorous asking price of 500$ running on ebay right now.
You may think its expensive but don't forget that its a Catadioptric Lens design or Cat Lens. So look on eBay for Catadioptric mirror lenses and you'll see that old Legacy ones are selling for four or five hundred used. That might put things in perspective
 
Yea i wish someone would come up with a way to put a focus conformation chip on the MF lenses and adapters
 

Keyboard shortcuts

Back
Top