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Sony, it is time to upgrade your jpg engine.

It is obvious to find out the subtle color differences and the dynamic range using the photos taken with Nokia N8 and PureView 808 with CZ lenses, like this one
http://www.flickr.com/photos/erlyenm/6727605197/

comparing the photos taken with Sony camera, like this one.

http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/reviewsamples/photos/2010653/dsc01191?inalbum=sony-rx100-preview-samples

Looking at the Sony’s photos, I can not find the enjoying and comfortable feelings as looking at those photos taken with Nokia cellphones.

It is about the out of camera photo processing.
 
Nothing in that nokia picture indicates that it is straight OOC with no post processing done. In fact the watermark suggests quite the opposite. Nice try but try again.

Speaking of PP, the sony has RAW.
 
Not sure about your example but I do agree about the Sony JPEG engine. Canon and Fuji have made great strides with their JPEG engine over the past year. Sony needs to do the same while also providing control over JPEG NR.

Fortunately the RX100 finally provides RAW to a Sony compact.
 
Maybe it is not a good example.

It is better for yourselves to dig into the flickr.com to check the photos taken with N8 or PureView 808. As cellphone user generally do not do the post processing.

Take a look of this one taken with PureView 808,
http://www.flickr.com/photos/54786564@N04/7118154023/

It is easy for Nokia to have such photos out of camera with the similar quality. Not from Sony, I will I am luck if I find a similar color quality photo from Sony.

I do not own any of the Nokia’s so I do not speak for Nokia. After careful comparing the Nokia photos with other brand name cameras, I conclude myself that for the beautiful color photos, if excluding Leica X1, Nokia does the best.
 
I agree that Sony's jpeg engine needs improving. At the very least they should give the user a wider range of image parameters to tweak or to turn off altogether. I find the noise reduction in some of their cameras to be a little too aggressive for instance. Yes, there is RAW on the new RX100, but some of the modes on the camera (such as HDR, Sweep Panorama, Hand-held Twilight, etc.) appear to be jpeg only, as on most of their other models.
 
Never satisfied LOL :D
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Alan.
 
seeing like that I agree that second image is missing the WOW effect.
changing the saturation in camera can compromise IQ?
 
RX-100 looks pretty poor in jpeg esp at higher ISO awful in fact. I'm sure the sensor is very capable. Let's be blunt Sony have never really nailed the jpegs on any of their cameras compact or Alpha range.

I used to be scared to shoot at ISO 400 in jpeg on my Sony DSLR..really the jpegs were poor.
 
benalys said:
MaRcIu said:
seeing like that I agree that second image is missing the WOW effect.
changing the saturation in camera can compromise IQ?
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Yes, plus adjusting the highlight and show,

See this brilliant flower+sky from Nokia N8
http://www.flickr.com/photos/whim/7345428496/in/photostream/

comparing with this from Sony rx100

http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/reviewsamples/albums/sony-rx100-preview-samples/slideshow?start=33
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Sorry, comparing images of different subjects, taken at different times, proves/shows nothing. Show me two images of the same subject taken at the same time and we can talk.
 
Danel said:
Sorry, comparing images of different subjects, taken at different times, proves/shows nothing. Show me two images of the same subject taken at the same time and we can talk.
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Danel, if you speak for Sony, please show me the out of camera jpgs from Sony which looks as punchy and brilliant as those from Nokia.

I do not mind if they are of the same subject or taken at the time or not.

I am ready to talk for any conditions.

If you win, I am ready and happen to buy one from Sony, and I am waiting so long for it.

The problem is, I think I still have to wait.
 
benalys said:
Danel said:
Sorry, comparing images of different subjects, taken at different times, proves/shows nothing. Show me two images of the same subject taken at the same time and we can talk.
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Danel, if you speak for Sony, please show me the out of camera jpgs from Sony which looks as punchy and brilliant as those from Nokia.

I do not mind if they are of the same subject or taken at the time or not.

I am ready to talk for any conditions.

If you win, I am ready and happen to buy one from Sony, and I am waiting so long for it.
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I don't speak for anyone other than myself, obviously. And I can't do the comparison you ask for because I would need both cameras so that I could shoot the same photo at the same time. My point is you can't take a photo of subject A on one day, and a photo of subject B somewhere else a week later, than use those photos as a basis to compare cameras. The settings are different, the lighting is different, the subject is different, etc. Thus, no legitimate comparison can be made. I would think that would be an easy concept to understand.
benalys said:
The problem is, I think I still have to wait.
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benalys said:
please show me the out of camera jpgs from Sony which looks as punchy and brilliant as those from Nokia.
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If you want punchy and brilliant from the RX100, all you need to do is use the Picture Effects filter "Pop," and voila! You'll have JPEGS like the Nokia.
 
Thats nice :D
trekkeruss said:
benalys said:
please show me the out of camera jpgs from Sony which looks as punchy and brilliant as those from Nokia.
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If you want punchy and brilliant from the RX100, all you need to do is use the Picture Effects filter "Pop," and voila! You'll have JPEGS like the Nokia.
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Alan.
 
Danel said:
benalys said:
Danel said:
Sorry, comparing images of different subjects, taken at different times, proves/shows nothing. Show me two images of the same subject taken at the same time and we can talk.
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Danel, if you speak for Sony, please show me the out of camera jpgs from Sony which looks as punchy and brilliant as those from Nokia.

I do not mind if they are of the same subject or taken at the time or not.

I am ready to talk for any conditions.

If you win, I am ready and happen to buy one from Sony, and I am waiting so long for it.
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I don't speak for anyone other than myself, obviously. And I can't do the comparison you ask for because I would need both cameras so that I could shoot the same photo at the same time. My point is you can't take a photo of subject A on one day, and a photo of subject B somewhere else a week later, than use those photos as a basis to compare cameras. The settings are different, the lighting is different, the subject is different, etc. Thus, no legitimate comparison can be made. I would think that would be an easy concept to understand.
Danel said:
The problem is, I think I still have to wait.
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Danel,

If you are not familiar with the either side of the photo characteristics, yes, your request is reasonable and necessary.

However, after seen so many photos from Sony (myself own a Sony DC with CZ lenses), I think anyone who have seen many Sony photos would naturally get the similar conclusion.

Human intuition sometimes is superior than the science analyses, isn’t it? Do you really think that the “scientific” way is a better way than human eyes when telling what kind photos are better? Don’t you think that the photos eventually are used to "please" ours eyes instead of the “scientific” measurement?
 
trekkeruss said:
benalys said:
please show me the out of camera jpgs from Sony which looks as punchy and brilliant as those from Nokia.
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If you want punchy and brilliant from the RX100, all you need to do is use the Picture Effects filter "Pop," and voila! You'll have JPEGS like the Nokia.
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Then this will lose the meaning of DC.

I have a DSLR, and I have to process the raw photos to get the best of it.

Now since I am buying a DC, I am hoping I can skip this step and use the out of the camera JPGs right away.

Unfortunately, after so many waiting and searching, I found that only Nokia’s photo quality is just good enough. Again unfortunately, Nokia’s products are cell phones, not the digital cameras.
 
Well benalys, you might be on to something.

While I don't find Sony's color to be objectionable, I can't wait to get my grubby little hands on the Nokia Pureview 808!! That's going to be a game changer!
I heard we'll be able to get it in August or September (2-3 months).
benalys said:
Sony, it is time to upgrade your jpg engine.

It is obvious to find out the subtle color differences and the dynamic range using the photos taken with Nokia N8 and PureView 808 with CZ lenses, like this one
http://www.flickr.com/photos/erlyenm/6727605197/

comparing the photos taken with Sony camera, like this one.

http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/reviewsamples/photos/2010653/dsc01191?inalbum=sony-rx100-preview-samples

Looking at the Sony’s photos, I can not find the enjoying and comfortable feelings as looking at those photos taken with Nokia cellphones.

It is about the out of camera photo processing.
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If you take the time just once when you buy a new camera, you can set up a raw profile, get the settings exactly how you like it, and then every time you import your raws, automatically apply it the same way. It is a matter of just a few clicks.

If that is still too much work for you, Olympus and Fuji both produce some very nice, vibrant and pleasing JPEGS right out of the camera, you can look there. That said, most photos even from the best JPEG engines need some tweaking to look their best.
 
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