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Hi All

I am looking for some advice.

I have been asked to photograph an upcoming wedding later this year, for me photography is just a hobbie and have kindly said yes because it is for family.

What advice/tips or recommendations would anyone have for me?



What kind of external speedlite would you recommend?



I have only ever photographed two other weddings before (I was a guest at both of them and offered to take some snaps).

I appreciate any help.

The equipment that i have is below:


Canon 30D

Canon EF-S 17-85mm f/4-5.6 IS USM
Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8 L IS USM

Thanks

Matt
 
Hello

I've now done two weddings, but in both cases I was asked to do it as a second photographer with a pro wedding shooter taking the main shots. This was good as it reduced the pressure and expectations on me. The experience was very useful for me as it's taught me that wedding photography is very difficult. I'm still not sure I would do a wedding as the main photographer.

Just a few things you may want to consider:

1. Do you think you can meet their expections? Shooting for friends and family can strain relationships if what you hand over isn't up to the standard they were expecting. Make sure you know what they are wanting in terms of style, group shots etc. Have a list of 'must get shots'.

2. Although some may disagree, I think that shooting a wedding successfully requires a detailed knowledge of lighting using a mixture of flash and available light. If you don't already have extensive experience of using flash I think you may struggle here. It's not just a matter of putting a flash on a camera and pointing it, there is a huge amount to learn. Have a look at http://neilvn.com/tangents/ and http://www.strobist.com and make sure you are very good at bounceing your flash off walls/ceilings. Also practice gelling your flash to match ambient lighting colour.

3. Camera kit - your lenses cover the range you are likely to need and your 70-200 f/2.8 will be ideal. I would consider renting/borrowing/buying a faster wider zoom. The 30D isn't great at ISOs over 800 and you would benefit from f/2.8 throughout the zoom range. Also, try and get hold of a similar camera body to use in case yours unexpectedly dies on the day.

4. Make sure you have plenty of batteries for camera and flash and memory cards. Recharge all batteries before the day and reformat all memory cards. Don't reformat any memory cards once you start shooting until you get them all safely downloaded and backed up after the event.

5. How are your post processing skills? You will probably need to adjust most/all of your photos after to get the best out of them. If you can, shoot in raw or raw+jpg to let you get the most out of post processing.

6. In terms of which flash to get, since you have a Canon, I would strongly recommend you get a Canon 430EXII or better.

Hope that helps.
Hi All

I am looking for some advice.

I have been asked to photograph an upcoming wedding later this year, for me photography is just a hobbie and have kindly said yes because it is for family.

What advice/tips or recommendations would anyone have for me?



What kind of external speedlite would you recommend?



I have only ever photographed two other weddings before (I was a guest at both of them and offered to take some snaps).

I appreciate any help.

The equipment that i have is below:


Canon 30D

Canon EF-S 17-85mm f/4-5.6 IS USM
Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8 L IS USM

Thanks

Matt
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Adrian Jones
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tdr1/
 
Hi Matt,

I see you've cross posted this one in a few forums. So you will likely get a pretty wide range of replies from positive to negative....

I've shot a few weddings now so here is my 2c FWIW
Hi All

I am looking for some advice.

I have been asked to photograph an upcoming wedding later this year, for me photography is just a hobbie and have kindly said yes because it is for family.
Good opportunity to get some experience, but remember that because it is family doesn't make it any easier than if it isn't - it could even make it harder... ;-)
What advice/tips or recommendations would anyone have for me?


Practice. Look at wedding photos that you would like to emulate. Know your gear inside out. 2nd shoot at another wedding if you can (not just guest candids, but the whole thing from girls getting ready, to ceremony, to family to B&G pics). Read up on lighting techniques. Practice. Go to the place where the ceremony will be at the same time of day so you can see what the light is like. Hire some equipment if you think it will be better than what you have. Have backup gear incase it fails. Make backup copies of the files when you get home incase something goes wrong. Shoot RAW. Practice...I think you get the point ;-)

Of course all of the above may be overkill if it is only a civil cermony with 6 people - but you can decide what advice you want to take on board.
What kind of external speedlite would you recommend?


Depends - are you shooting outside (430EX should be fine) or bouncing off a high roof inside a church...(580EXII or multiples). Make sure you've played with it before the day and know how best to use it ETTL or M and when...
I have only ever photographed two other weddings before (I was a guest at both of them and offered to take some snaps).

I appreciate any help.
That is a good start. Look through all of the images from those 2 and figure out what worked and what didn't. If you are able to 2nd shoot a whole day it will give you more opportunity to learn. Just remember it is very different guest or even 2nd shooting to leading the photog, but everyone starts somewhere - so enjoy it :-)
The equipment that i have is below:


Canon 30D

Canon EF-S 17-85mm f/4-5.6 IS USM
Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8 L IS USM
This is very photographer specific - so what I say likely won't be what other people will suggest (and it is geared towards how I shoot)....so YMMV...

30D doesn't really cut the mustard at higher ISOs. Low ISOs and with some flash it should be fine. So is your wedding in the middle of summer outside or in the middle of winter inside....or somewhere in between. If you are concerned hire a better body for the day - just make sure you've tired it out throughly before hand (get your relos to pay for the hire!)

The 70-200 is fine. The 17-85 is not quick enough to use as a main shorter lens in my opinion. But if you want to shoot everything with flash at 5.6-8 (again personal choice) then it might be ok. I would get you B&G to show you photos that they like and you can figure out if this is what they're after.

FWIW the gear that I take to shoot a wedding (which is very very much personal choice again) is 2 x 5d2s, 17-40, 35L, 50 1.4, 85 1.8, 70-200 2.8 and 2x580EXIIs (plus a spare 70-200 f4 incase which stays in the bag). I could shoot with less for sure, so some is just because of how I like to shoot, while some is redundancy etc But I also prefer shooting with primes. Other people like to shoot with zooms and flash - personal preference.

Easiest way to upgrade your gear for the day is to hire. ;-)

Some photos at my signature if you want to look. Best of luck with it all.

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Cheers, Forbaz
http://www.flickr.com/photos/markforbes/sets/
 
You want my real opinion. Tell your family that you thought about it, you do not want to take a chance at possibly ruining a very important day. Advise them to hire a professional.

1. Many pros will not shoot for family or friends, even at their full rates. If the couple is not happy with the images it is a professional relationship that eventually goes away. With family it can last a lifetime.

2. Where is you backup equipment? What will you do if your 30D fails? What about if your new flash fails?

3. You don't have any flash experience yet. Anyone can take a snapshot but if you want to create photographs it takes time to learn about flash photography. I prepared for 6 months for my first by taking lighting courses, studying websites like this one etc. That 6 months was dedicated to this task. Flash photography is a whole new world and takes a little time to learn.

http://neilvn.com/tangents/flash-photography-techniques/

4. Are you prepared to quickly deal with various lighting situations which includes flash and make decisions? People are standing and waiting for you. Even if it is family people are impatient.

5. Weddings are demanding and exhausting. You will have little time for yourself to enjoy this day with family.

6. You don't get a second chance. If you did not get the a decent shot of the bride and groom walking down the isle you can't do a reshoot next week.

7. Will you know your gear and flash inside out and be able to quickly recover if something is not going right? I have read many stories about people making the smallest changes to settings inadvertently and then because they under pressure struggle to recover. You have zero time when shooting a wedding.

http://redtiephotography.blogspot.ca/2011/05/are-you-ready-to-become-wedding.html

I'm not saying you won't be able to do this. People do this all the time and like anything else in life there are good and bad experiences. You might be brilliant and a natural at this. Just wanted to makes sure if you asked yourself these questions and thought of everything.

http://digital-photography-school.com/wedding-photography-21-tips-for-for-amateur-wedding-photographers

http://www.dpchallenge.com/tutorial.php?TUTORIAL_ID=51

http://www.knotforlife.com/planning/checklists/photography-poses.shtml

http://www.wedpix.com/articles/002/working-with-on-camera-flash/

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Weaseling out of things is important to learn! It's what separates us from the animals. Except the weasel.

Homer Simpson
 
Just to ad make sure the expectations are clear between you and the couple. Tell them you will do the best you can but don't make any promises. Remind them you are not a pro and have no previous wedding experience.

If you decide to pursue this people here including myself would be glad to help you further.

--

Weaseling out of things is important to learn! It's what separates us from the animals. Except the weasel.

Homer Simpson
 
Especially Tangents!
 
I would encourage you and the wedding couple to check out the church well in advance (just go on a week night when nothing is going on at the church) and give it a trial run.

The couple will love the experience and you will not only get a feel for what focal lengths/camera settings/flash requirements will be needed, but you will also get a real world trial beforehand.

Finally, sit down with the couple and review the pictures. Give them a chance to see what you are capable of and if the results are acceptable to them.

Lest you get discouraged by all the doom and gloom you always read about here, the reality is that not everyone in the world puts as much importance on wedding pictures as the posters here would have you believe. If the couple is happy with some of the pictures you create at your trial-run, then go for it!

-Suntan
 
I just shot my first wedding for a friend, despite reading article after article about how much of a bad idea it was... it was scary but I would do it again.

Using a 7D (30D as backup) 17-55 2.8IS and 70-200 2.8. I would definitely recommend some faster glass at the wide end, not sure I would've managed very well without the 17-55 2.8. Having the 580EX really helped too. I think the key was managing their expectations and defining exactly what I was confident I could deliver, and being as well-prepared as I possibly could. I rented the 70-200 as I don't have a decent telephoto apart from a 300mm prime.

A few shots from the gallery can be found here:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1005&message=41132585

I have a few links at home which I'll dig out for you.
 
Others have offered fine professional advise. And while I don't wish to take away from their contribution, the problem with it is exactly that it is PROFESSIONAL advise... and you are NOT a professional. Furthermore, you're not going to transform yourself into a professional before doing this gig, no matter gear you buy, what posts you read, or what books you look at. As a couple of others have pointed out, becoming a professional (the competent kind, not just the one that gets paid) requires EXPERIENCE, which is something you admit you do not have.

So, what advise from me?

First, recognize that you are not a professional and won't be for this job. And then dedicate yourself towards getting the best SNAPSHOTS possible for this couple.

Forget about specialized gear. You have two nice lenses, so stick with them. That telezoom will allow you to shoot the ceremony in low light. It may also be helpful for portraits of the couple outside if you get the opportunity. Crank the ISO on your 30D and shoot away from different angles without flash. The 17-85? A very capable lens. It's good for everything else.

Backup gear? If you're a working pro, of course! I carry three full sets of gear and at least 4 or five bodies to every wedding. But that's part of the higher cost I get paid for. Again, you're not a pro, so don't bother. But DO be sure explain to the couple that hired and experienced professionals absolutely do have backup gear in the event of gear failure or unforeseen circumstances. The risk is THEIR OWN, not yours.

All you need now is a basic hotshoe flash. Because you'll just use ONE, you don't need a flagship model capable of controlling other off-camera units. But you do have the choice of using either ETTL automatic mode or non-ETTL. If you want fully automatic operation, go on ebay and find a used 420EX. It is fully tilt/swivel capable and was made for your 30D. Add a cheap Stofen-style diffuser for bouncing in small spaces. Crank you ISO to 400 for larger spaces for faster recycling and keep LOTS of charged batteries ready to go. (If I were doing your job with your gear, I'd have about 5 extra sets beyond the ones I start out with in the flash itself.)

That's about it when it comes to gear. Simple and sweet. And now you're free to shoot, shoot, shoot. But if you end up getting a lot of gear and trying to play this thing like a pro, you're going to end up missing shots, guaranteed. Weddings are fast-paced, and I've seen tons of inexperienced weddings shooters tank big time because they're fiddling with gear and settings, trying to duplicate the pros rather than trying to excel at what they are actually capable of. Be smart. Be the best amateur wedding photographer you can be, and don't worry about all the rest. The couple wants solid snapshots, and aren't interested in your trying -- and failing -- to be a pro.

Good luck
Hi All

I am looking for some advice.

I have been asked to photograph an upcoming wedding later this year, for me photography is just a hobbie and have kindly said yes because it is for family.

What advice/tips or recommendations would anyone have for me?



What kind of external speedlite would you recommend?



I have only ever photographed two other weddings before (I was a guest at both of them and offered to take some snaps).

I appreciate any help.

The equipment that i have is below:


Canon 30D

Canon EF-S 17-85mm f/4-5.6 IS USM
Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8 L IS USM

Thanks

Matt
 
I just shot my first wedding for a friend, despite reading article after article about how much of a bad idea it was... it was scary but I would do it again.

Using a 7D (30D as backup) 17-55 2.8IS and 70-200 2.8. I would definitely recommend some faster glass at the wide end, not sure I would've managed very well without the 17-55 2.8. Having the 580EX really helped too. I think the key was managing their expectations and defining exactly what I was confident I could deliver, and being as well-prepared as I possibly could. I rented the 70-200 as I don't have a decent telephoto apart from a 300mm prime.

A few shots from the gallery can be found here:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1005&message=41132585

I have a few links at home which I'll dig out for you.
I think the idea of reading article after article about it being a bad idea it is very healthy. You need to ask yourself a lot of questions heading into this. Helps you prepare for that event. Again you not shooting aunt May's prize winning chilli cook off win. Weddings are one of the most important days in a persons life.

About expectations. When I was taking a lighting course in preparation for my 1st there was women in our class. She had her first wedding in a few weeks (mine was not for months) and was panicking. A friends wedding and I asked how much was she paying her. $100. I asked what the bride expected for $100? She replied it was a family get together at a restaurant only, about 3 hours - "Just don't cut any heads off". She and her partner also had their suppers paid for. I asked "What are you worrying about?"

--

Weaseling out of things is important to learn! It's what separates us from the animals. Except the weasel.

Homer Simpson
 
Others have offered fine professional advise. And while I don't wish to take away from their contribution, the problem with it is exactly that it is PROFESSIONAL advise... and you are NOT a professional. Furthermore, you're not going to transform yourself into a professional before doing this gig, no matter gear you buy, what posts you read, or what books you look at. As a couple of others have pointed out, becoming a professional (the competent kind, not just the one that gets paid) requires EXPERIENCE, which is something you admit you do not have.

So, what advise from me?

First, recognize that you are not a professional and won't be for this job. And then dedicate yourself towards getting the best SNAPSHOTS possible for this couple.
Perfect advise. As long as the couple is OK with snapshots. Also if the 30D fails which it extremely unlikely, if the couple is OK with finishing the event off with a cell phone. Forgot to mention. Also is there a back up plan if the OP gets sick.
Forget about specialized gear. You have two nice lenses, so stick with them. That telezoom will allow you to shoot the ceremony in low light. It may also be helpful for portraits of the couple outside if you get the opportunity. Crank the ISO on your 30D and shoot away from different angles without flash. The 17-85? A very capable lens. It's good for everything else.

Backup gear? If you're a working pro, of course! I carry three full sets of gear and at least 4 or five bodies to every wedding. But that's part of the higher cost I get paid for. Again, you're not a pro, so don't bother. But DO be sure explain to the couple that hired and experienced professionals absolutely do have backup gear in the event of gear failure or unforeseen circumstances. The risk is THEIR OWN, not yours.

All you need now is a basic hotshoe flash. Because you'll just use ONE, you don't need a flagship model capable of controlling other off-camera units. But you do have the choice of using either ETTL automatic mode or non-ETTL. If you want fully automatic operation, go on ebay and find a used 420EX. It is fully tilt/swivel capable and was made for your 30D. Add a cheap Stofen-style diffuser for bouncing in small spaces. Crank you ISO to 400 for larger spaces for faster recycling and keep LOTS of charged batteries ready to go. (If I were doing your job with your gear, I'd have about 5 extra sets beyond the ones I start out with in the flash itself.)
Again excellent advise. First wedding and no previous flash experience. Stick to one flash.
That's about it when it comes to gear. Simple and sweet. And now you're free to shoot, shoot, shoot. But if you end up getting a lot of gear and trying to play this thing like a pro, you're going to end up missing shots, guaranteed. Weddings are fast-paced, and I've seen tons of inexperienced weddings shooters tank big time because they're fiddling with gear and settings, trying to duplicate the pros rather than trying to excel at what they are actually capable of. Be smart. Be the best amateur wedding photographer you can be, and don't worry about all the rest. The couple wants solid snapshots, and aren't interested in your trying -- and failing -- to be a pro.
Good luck
Hi All

I am looking for some advice.

I have been asked to photograph an upcoming wedding later this year, for me photography is just a hobbie and have kindly said yes because it is for family.

What advice/tips or recommendations would anyone have for me?



What kind of external speedlite would you recommend?



I have only ever photographed two other weddings before (I was a guest at both of them and offered to take some snaps).

I appreciate any help.

The equipment that i have is below:


Canon 30D

Canon EF-S 17-85mm f/4-5.6 IS USM
Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8 L IS USM

Thanks

Matt
--

Weaseling out of things is important to learn! It's what separates us from the animals. Except the weasel.

Homer Simpson
 
family reputation is at stake. Beg, borrow --but don't go into this without backup gear.

Not only family reputation - but how would the shooter feel if the 30d went out?
 
family reputation is at stake. Beg, borrow --but don't go into this without backup gear.

Not only family reputation - but how would the shooter feel if the 30d went out?
Either way it appears we may have scared the OP off.

--

Weaseling out of things is important to learn! It's what separates us from the animals. Except the weasel.

Homer Simpson
 
In the past, I advised every poster to do the same... get backup gear. Is it sound advise? Sure. Is it essential for the non-professional? I no longer think so.

I realized that I've been trying to impose professional standards upon amateur photographers. As a professional, I carry multiple complete sets -- including lenses, flashes, bodies, and batteries -- to any given wedding. But that's what I'm being paid to do.

There are many reasons to expect better results from an experienced and professional wedding photographer. One is -- duh -- he is experienced. He is not only an expert at photography but at weddings, too, which means he not only knows HOW to get the shot, but WHAT the shot is he actually needs to get in the first place. (Ever see a newbie try and photograph a wedding? They often do not even know what they are supposed to be looking for, much less how to capture it if they did.) The couple PAYS for that experience and expertise. Just as they pay for all the extra gear that photographer relies upon for any contingency.

The OP is a self-professed hobbyist with no experience as a wedding photographer. He just wants help getting the best shots possible. There's no indication that he's going to do this professional in this or at any future time. He doesn't need to put any money into this thing unnecessarily. The couple is taking their risks with him, but it is THEIR risk.

The most I could recommend to this OP about backup gear is that maybe he should ask the couple if they themselves have a cheap little point-and-shoot that he could hold onto "just in case". If that doesn't make the couple nervous, then I'd say they know what they're getting into. If it does, then they have time to consider paying someone to help insure better results.
family reputation is at stake. Beg, borrow --but don't go into this without backup gear.

Not only family reputation - but how would the shooter feel if the 30d went out?
 
I HIGHLY recommend a list of pictures that your family wants. It may sound strange, but once you get there you might get sucked into the crazy. Reference it at the wedding.
 
Michael,

suggest staying with your prior recommendation, the newest version doesn't sound kind enough. Always be kind. I'm sure Op's like this don't want to be disowned the rest of their lives...

so here is what I'd tell the op since I do this professionally -- and what I do:

1) I don't go with less than 3 bodies -- 1 in the car or I carry all three - or sometimes take 4. Note - I lost a shutter on one body once half way though and if I only had two bodies I'd be thinking I'm dead if I lose the last body I have during the rest of the shoot...

In fact -- I wonder about pros who only carry two -- are they really pros-- someday they'll lose two -- when the stars line up against them

2) I look at every lens and what would happen if I lost one lens - could I cover with other lenses.

3) Light indoors -- I go with three flash and off-camera flash -- but what happens if the flash you buy fails? The pop-up ain't going to cut it for a wedding

4) for major weddings, I take an experienced pro as my second shooter --who can shoot the entire wedding on their own -- we drive separate routes to avoid any kind of chance of a 3 hr traffic jam. If I get sick or in an accident - the wedding is covered

5) both primary and secondary shooters must have insurance and errors and exclusions and businesses.

6) We shoot long and short all day long with multiple bodies in case we lose a card, we have the long and short shots of the same scene. We use only sandisk and haven't lost a card yet ...

7) I take my cards and put them in think tank pocket rocket before leaving the venue in case we get robbed -- they can get the cameras -- but the cards are in our pockets

8) plenty of batteries so as to never lose energy

9) every couple has been happy.

so op - at least get back-up - a rebel with a 18-55 IS and a 50 f1.8. and at least carry two external flashes -- plenty of cards, plenty of batteries.

think fast enough shutter speed as your primary objective to avoid motion blur and handshake
outside in good light - you can shoot AV and get enough ss
inside - think manual and shooting at least ss 1/125 for pedestrain motion
if dancing -- go ss 1/160 or 1/200

ok -- you can get some snaps with this advice. Practice. Good luck!
In the past, I advised every poster to do the same... get backup gear. Is it sound advise? Sure. Is it essential for the non-professional? I no longer think so.

I realized that I've been trying to impose professional standards upon amateur photographers. As a professional, I carry multiple complete sets -- including lenses, flashes, bodies, and batteries -- to any given wedding. But that's what I'm being paid to do.

There are many reasons to expect better results from an experienced and professional wedding photographer. One is -- duh -- he is experienced. He is not only an expert at photography but at weddings, too, which means he not only knows HOW to get the shot, but WHAT the shot is he actually needs to get in the first place. (Ever see a newbie try and photograph a wedding? They often do not even know what they are supposed to be looking for, much less how to capture it if they did.) The couple PAYS for that experience and expertise. Just as they pay for all the extra gear that photographer relies upon for any contingency.

The OP is a self-professed hobbyist with no experience as a wedding photographer. He just wants help getting the best shots possible. There's no indication that he's going to do this professional in this or at any future time. He doesn't need to put any money into this thing unnecessarily. The couple is taking their risks with him, but it is THEIR risk.

The most I could recommend to this OP about backup gear is that maybe he should ask the couple if they themselves have a cheap little point-and-shoot that he could hold onto "just in case". If that doesn't make the couple nervous, then I'd say they know what they're getting into. If it does, then they have time to consider paying someone to help insure better results.
family reputation is at stake. Beg, borrow --but don't go into this without backup gear.

Not only family reputation - but how would the shooter feel if the 30d went out?
 
I've shot over a dozen weddings - my own family ones were the toughest.

You need a 18-55mm IS to be your main lens' backup. The 70-200mm is too long if your 18-75mm fails. It is dirt cheap to buy or easily borrowed.

I had two near brand new Canon bodies fail just before a ceremony (both under 3 months old) - luckily I had three other bodies.

The 600D is a great tool if you can rent one inexpensively. It is light to carry and has good high iso. Image quality is great.

A good ETTL flash is a must particularly on bright days when strong shadows are cast.

It will be needed at night for the reception, cake cutting etc The 430EX is fine.
 
I wasn't implying that reading about the dangers was a bad idea, and it certainly helped me work through what I needed to do to prepare. I quite enjoyed this exhaustive article - it covers alot of the basics that I would hope anyone shooting a wedding would be able to skip over, but there are some really useful bits of advice. If you can read past section one : )

http://www.rokkorfiles.com/Wedding101-page1.html

And I would recommend renting kit if it helps with your confidence, it certainly helped me. I got a few days either side of the wedding to play with the lovely 70-200 too : )
I think the idea of reading article after article about it being a bad idea it is very healthy. You need to ask yourself a lot of questions heading into this. Helps you prepare for that event. Again you not shooting aunt May's prize winning chilli cook off win. Weddings are one of the most important days in a persons life.

About expectations. When I was taking a lighting course in preparation for my 1st there was women in our class. She had her first wedding in a few weeks (mine was not for months) and was panicking. A friends wedding and I asked how much was she paying her. $100. I asked what the bride expected for $100? She replied it was a family get together at a restaurant only, about 3 hours - "Just don't cut any heads off". She and her partner also had their suppers paid for. I asked "What are you worrying about?"

--

Weaseling out of things is important to learn! It's what separates us from the animals. Except the weasel.

Homer Simpson
 

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