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Ralph McKenzie
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While a good idea in principle, its not really an option. Camera specific forums would certainly help centralize information pertaining to models of cameras, but where would it stop. Should we have HS10, HS20, F550, F600 forums as well. The whole thing would become rather unwieldy for the DPR IT boffins. As for the infighting... well its a big family here and there's bound to be a bit of hair pulling and dummy spitting from time to time.
Most inhabitants of this forum are passionate about their hobby/livelihood and like to express their views accordingly. Every so often the more voluble and raucous members need a quick boot in the bum to quieten things down
You just have to learn to tune out the noise and concentrate on the content you are interested in. And as someone here suggested, the ignore button can be handy to tune out the playground skirmishes. Personally I read every reply in these threads. Its often informative, sometimes chaotic, but its always an interesting read, one I never seem to get bored with
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David Clarke29
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So what you'r saying is that bullying, pointed, clueless and egotistical should be used instead of "idiotic, ignorant, psychotic and rude" or possibly in combination.
It's a matter of personal choice really I suppose, although it was aimed at the general uncalled for attacks that go on in these forums - some more than others. However if anybody thinks that a particular word is applied unfairly and upsets them please feel free to choose another, that in their opinion describes them, or get a friend to do it. so as not to be too subjective.
Dave. (UK)
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You're asking the wrong person for advice, Dave - because unlike you I don't call people names here. As a reminder, here are those comments:
But since you asked - yes, I believe there is a big difference in calling someone psychotic over clueless. That's a powerful accusation that only a doctor has the ability to make. As to the word 'ignorant' I think it's how the word is applied in context. People can make an ignorant opinion but that doesn't mean they are ignorant. As to rude, that's generally a way of getting back at someone who has corrected something the other person stated OR said something that the other person does not agree with. As to idiotic, again - the context used. I think the most offending word in your series is psychotic. ALL of the other words pale in comparison. I do not see why anyone would even use - much less even make mention of the word psychotic at a photography forum as you did. But you went a step further and accused people here of being such.
Definition of Psychotic: affected by psychosis: relating to, characteristic of, or affected by psychosis - a psychiatric disorder such as schizophrenia or mania that is marked by delusions, hallucinations, incoherence, and distorted perceptions of reality.
Why you would think that you're qualified to belch such a comment from your keyboard is perplexing - even if you were a qualified doctor in an online setting.
Now in this comment - we appear to be on the same page but on in the area regarding personal attacks. Odd thing about personal attacks. You attacked me because you assumed that I was attacking the OP which could not be further from the truth. You intensify the incident by resorting to name-calling. The fact that you're so aggressively pursuing this issue as well as setting up a defense as to support your comments is laughable. But then again, accusing others here of being mentally disturbed is NOT a laughing matter.It's a matter of personal choice really I suppose, although it was aimed at the general uncalled for attacks that go on in these forums - some more than others. However if anybody thinks that a particular word is applied unfairly and upsets them please feel free to choose another, that in their opinion describes them, or get a friend to do it. so as not to be too subjective.
My point to the OP was that these threads never come to good.
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David Clarke29
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Did I refere to you personally or unwarranted attackers? I still think that you are unaturally sensitive. Why should this be ? Please tell.You're asking the wrong person for advice, Dave - because unlike you I don't call people names here. As a reminder, here are those comments:
But since you asked - yes, I believe there is a big difference in calling someone psychotic over clueless. That's a powerful accusation that only a doctor has the ability to make. As to the word 'ignorant' I think it's how the word is applied in context. People can make an ignorant opinion but that doesn't mean they are ignorant. As to rude, that's generally a way of getting back at someone who has corrected something the other person stated OR said something that the other person does not agree with. As to idiotic, again - the context used. I think the most offending word in your series is psychotic. ALL of the other words pale in comparison. I do not see why anyone would even use - much less even make mention of the word psychotic at a photography forum as you did. But you went a step further and accused people here of being such.
Definition of Psychotic: affected by psychosis: relating to, characteristic of, or affected by psychosis - a psychiatric disorder such as schizophrenia or mania that is marked by delusions, hallucinations, incoherence, and distorted perceptions of reality.
Why you would think that you're qualified to belch such a comment from your keyboard is perplexing - even if you were a qualified doctor in an online setting.
Now in this comment - we appear to be on the same page but on in the area regarding personal attacks. Odd thing about personal attacks. You attacked me because you assumed that I was attacking the OP which could not be further from the truth. You intensify the incident by resorting to name-calling. The fact that you're so aggressively pursuing this issue as well as setting up a defense as to support your comments is laughable. But then again, accusing others here of being mentally disturbed is NOT a laughing matter.It's a matter of personal choice really I suppose, although it was aimed at the general uncalled for attacks that go on in these forums - some more than others. However if anybody thinks that a particular word is applied unfairly and upsets them please feel free to choose another, that in their opinion describes them, or get a friend to do it. so as not to be too subjective.
My point to the OP was that these threads never come to good.
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Dave. (UK)
Kim Letkeman
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You are correct ... there was a massive increase in polarization starting when the S100fs arrived. That has continued to today, although someone else carries the banner now.
Doesn't matter who or why ... but there is bitter history in here and the only defence is the ignore button, which people should use liberally. And I am well aware that I am one who will get ignored by plenty ... that's their loss
You are absolutely, 100% correct.
However ... you miss one important point. The people who get shot down in flames almost always:
1) Aggressively push their uninformed opinions, often couched in pseudo-technical information that is simply misleading BS
2) Take everything personally and shoot back real ad hominems, starting a war
3) Start threads ranting about others' behavior ... some few are polite as this one was, but the subject still irritates many, whether they are targeted or not
4) Are insane and rant and rant and rant without end
I have seen almost no attacks on people who just want to share images or ask questions.
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Kim Letkeman
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Ever since the S100fs came into the forum and the massive polarization began ... but you already know all about that ;-)
Yes, many.
The old "only an owner could possibly know" gambit ... one wonders how many stompings it takes to stop such silly logic from proliferating? The concept has been stomped so many times that it should have run away and hidden when you decided to trot it out for another go lolIn the case of the X10, those to avoid are those who don't actually use the camera
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Kim Letkeman
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Blanket ridicule of others' galleries is also very rude ... so it was with great relief that a quick trip through your own gallery proved that you know whereof you speak ...Thanks for that.
I always look at the galleries of the rude folk ; there's never much there
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rattymouse
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Brutal!Blanket ridicule of others' galleries is also very rude ... so it was with great relief that a quick trip through your own gallery proved that you know whereof you speak ...Thanks for that.
I always look at the galleries of the rude folk ; there's never much there
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tdkd13
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Thanks for the response Kim.You are correct ... there was a massive increase in polarization starting when the S100fs arrived. That has continued to today, although someone else carries the banner now.
Doesn't matter who or why ... but there is bitter history in here and the only defence is the ignore button, which people should use liberally. And I am well aware that I am one who will get ignored by plenty ... that's their loss
You are absolutely, 100% correct.
However ... you miss one important point. The people who get shot down in flames almost always:
1) Aggressively push their uninformed opinions, often couched in pseudo-technical information that is simply misleading BS
2) Take everything personally and shoot back real ad hominems, starting a war
3) Start threads ranting about others' behavior ... some few are polite as this one was, but the subject still irritates many, whether they are targeted or not
4) Are insane and rant and rant and rant without end
I have seen almost no attacks on people who just want to share images or ask questions.
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I'm sure, dependant on viewpoint or perspective, that it's arguable I missed numerous points in what I wrote here.
I don't actually remember the names of members or visitors to the forum from all those years ago, but I do recall yours actually. From memory, you always seemed a very knowlegdable contributor, and often appeared to offer help, advice or your experience to others who were looking for answers. I do clearly recall that I really liked your style, and thought you had some class about the way you conducted yourself here. This was some time back now, and I really don't know when that was. however, there was a Guy who often posted images from Hong Kong, who had an incredible eye for composition, and handled his F10 (I think) REALLY well. Do you know who that was.???.....I will remember the name once I hear it I'm sure.
On reading "some" of the posts more recently, I'd have to admit, that it "possibly" appears the years of posting here "might" have changed your style a little, whereby it's evolved a more cutting or acerbic edge to "some" of your posts. Personally, (and not that it makes a jot of difference to anyone) I think that's a bit of a shame, as in my eyes, it doesn't paint you in quite the same light as I remember. I can only speak for myself here, but to me, bright, intelligent and eloquent people win the attention and respect of more people when they are polite, understanding and generous in their attitude towards others (which you can be, no question). There is a definite air of class about exceptional people who choose not to be showy of that quality, but slip into the crowd, and yet still manage to stand out (If you know what I mean).
I do take on board your point about the ignore button, and yes, perhaps that would be the answer, especially when considering some of those who post here. I was not really that aware of it, and if I'm honest, wasn't too concerned about looking for it, as this forum is not the be all and end all for me. I can take it or leave it, because photography is not a massive deal in my life. As I've pointed out already, I just wanted to read more on what seemed to be an interesting camera (the X10), and that is why I'm here reading at all.
I hope what I've written is taken in the spirit it was intended, and that it doesn't offend. It is not meant to.
Fotonut
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Well said. Too many loose sight of basic manners, civility and (even if it's veined) respect.
Greets.
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I’d like to see live organ donation as a prerequisite for entry to any new fuji forum, the more vital the organ the more posting rights you get, that would quickly sort out who was serious about their photography.
For example; simply post in a spleen to dpreview with a certified dna sample as proof of original ownership, forum posting rights are then assigned for 12 months and off you go – a fully paid up annual member. No fuss, no quibble.
There would be a hell of a lot of pride in that, people would respect each other, the new forum would be a place that really meant something. Unfortunately I’d have to stay back here, amongst the bicker and rabble; we don’t get organs on my home planet. Arms up, jump and fly to you all!
For example; simply post in a spleen to dpreview with a certified dna sample as proof of original ownership, forum posting rights are then assigned for 12 months and off you go – a fully paid up annual member. No fuss, no quibble.
There would be a hell of a lot of pride in that, people would respect each other, the new forum would be a place that really meant something. Unfortunately I’d have to stay back here, amongst the bicker and rabble; we don’t get organs on my home planet. Arms up, jump and fly to you all!
Danielepaolo
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You can have my old decrepid Hammond B3.
BTW: You and Bill are getting along famously.
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Billx08
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He's getting along with the other Daniel rather infamously.
Danielepaolo
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What am I missing? I have not seen much of my little kiwi brother lately. I hope you are not boring him. You do have a way of drawing out his angry personality and I don't think it is only because of his dislike for Yanks. You would definitely be on Daniel's dart board and soon to be on Max's.
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Billx08
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Already on Max's, based on several recent snipes, including one that lavished Daniel with fulsome praise. Max probably isn't yet familiar with Daniel's hyperbolic fanboyish statements or his eagerness to start a ruckus. I suppose that another would have taken my place on his list if I was another of the X10's sympathizers/apologizers. Daniel is still posting, but not so much in threads that I'm interested in so I haven't seen too much of him lately. Maybe that's also why you haven't noticed his posts.
Kim Letkeman
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Hugo Poon ... best Hong Kong street photographer I have seen ...
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Actually, I've always had that ... I've actually tamed it a bit. What has changed is that a few people have made it their mission to remove me from the forum and have posted hundreds of direct personal attacks over the years. It has thus made me much less tolerant of same.
For example, the knee-jerk response to technical critique with sarcasm has become a constant in the forum. That disappoints me far more than old animosities surfacing now and again, because none of the people that use it so much have earned it with either tested and publish technical information or flawless images. It is just arrogance. By the way, here I am including mainly people who have arrived with the X10, not the people that have always been too direct, but at least accurate.
This all stems from lack of moderation. Too many posts filled with animosity directed at specific people are allowed to remain and fester. These lead to thread destruction and a further desensitizing of the members to the use of insult as a way to respond to a critique.
The F10 years were the best years ... no question. As for the light i am painted in ... you just have to watch the feeding frenzy around people like Conrad Birdy and contemplate how you would feel about that ...
I do. And if the forum had not adopted the arrogant rejection of simple technical critique as the fashion of the day, that would be an easy stance to take. I'm a Mennonite ... but it is the Amish that are good at turning the other cheek
It is fine by me ...
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Kim Letkeman
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That dart board is filled with people who are not blind. Those who see flaws in images and who suggest methods to fix them up front ... you know, to use the gear. Some people have never managed to grasp the fact that a gear forum is actually about the gear, not about images that clearly did not use the gear properly ...
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