Tracking and panning with the A77

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Today I tested the A77 for tracking fast moving objects and for panning. My goal was to find out if EVF lag is a problem for action photography, and how reliable the autofocus is for tracking fast moving objects. For all photographs the camera was set to 8 frames per second, and short bursts was no limitation. I did not test the 12 fps mode, as I don't know if I will ever use this option.

For tracking my young and fast moving biker the camera was set to continious autofocus, shutter priority and central group autofocus points. With the A700 and A900 the 'shutter priority' setting is a mixed bag, so with these cameras I always used to set this menu option to 'autofocus priority' when photographing flying birds and other fast moving objects. If not, the result was too many out of focus shots.

The A77 autofocus seems to be much faster than with earlier Sony cameras - and more important - much more reliable than the A700 and A900 autofocus. Using the shutter priority option worked very well, with a lot of keepers. Actually, almost all of my images were well focused. And we tested for hours! For this kind of shots I did not even think about viewfinder lag.

So what about panning? To make this test as though for the EVF as possible, I used the lens at the longest end and found a spot for the camera so that the biker filled most of the frame. I have to use a well developed panning technique for this kind of shooting, since this is quite a challenge even with an optical viewfinder. After a few test shots I got used to the viewfinder. I had no problem following the biker, or to correct when the biker was off-center.

After today's testing I know that photographing birds in flight should not be a problem with the A77. This camera will for sure do better than previous Sony cameras, no matter OVF or EVF.

The lens used for all tests was my Sony G 70-400 mm f:4-5.6 set to the longest end. For tracking I used f:5.6 to minimize depth of focus, and for the panning shots I used 1/60 and 1/125 sec to get the blurred foreground and background.

Conclution:

Photographing action is no problem with the A77. Developing a good technique for action photography is much more important than the limitations of the electronic viewfinder. This is especially true for panning, which is more challenging than focus tracking fast moving objects. I am impressed with the A77 as an action camera!

Tracking 1: 400 mm, 1/1500 sec at f:5.6, ISO 800:



Tracking 2 downhill: 400 mm, 1/2000 sec at f:5.6, ISO 800:



Panning downhill:

 
I really feel sorry for her:
"And we tested for hours!"

It's really strange that you don't have any problems with panning as according to DPR "it makes panning with fast-moving subjects very hard indeed, since you never know where they are - only where they were."

I have also tried panning and I didn't have any problems either, must be a matter of technique or just getting used to.

I did however have problems tracking with cyclists coming toward me at short distance and under difficult light.

But I guess that would be difficult for most camera's, see http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1037&message=39660678&changemode=1

The a77 does feel much quicker than the a700 so I'll try tracking again tomorrow, but under better light this time.
 
I've had the same "nice" results. The only issue i've seen so far, and I'll test it out a bit more, is when i'm doing B.I.F. and it's just "the Bird and the Sky" with no other background, it (in wide focus) tends to underexpose a little more than the A700.

I'm going out tomorrow again and will try different focus areas to see if it's just a little more sensitive than the A700 was in this area. The A700 would ever-so-slightly underexpose in wide about 50% of the time, but the A77 seems more consistent (75 to 80%) but, again, I haven't done any in-depth type of testing, only a few shots in spot, which seemed to work well. If you get a chance, give it a try and see if you're coming up with the same results. I didn't use spot on the A700 due to OVERexposure, so I guess more testing is in order. But as far as focus and tracking a moving object, -- oh baby! I love this thing :)
Mike V.
 
I really feel sorry for her:
"And we tested for hours!"
She was the one who wanted to continue. "One more", "another one", she told me after looking at the recently taken bursts on the camera screen. I never push children if they don't want to play!
 
I've had the same "nice" results. The only issue i've seen so far, and I'll test it out a bit more, is when i'm doing B.I.F. and it's just "the Bird and the Sky" with no other background, it (in wide focus) tends to underexpose a little more than the A700.
I am always using manual exposure settings according to the light level, not to the reflected light from the object. This ensures good exposures, no matter the color or reflection of the object, nor the weight of the background.
 
Thanks very much for your assessment!

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For tracking my young and fast moving biker the camera was set to continious autofocus, shutter priority and central group autofocus points. With the A700 and A900 the 'shutter priority' setting is a mixed bag, so with these cameras I always used to set this menu option to 'autofocus priority' when photographing flying birds and other fast moving objects. If not, the result was too many out of focus shots.
By 'shutter priority' you mean 'release priority', right?

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Unlike so many posting on this forum, you are definitely backing up your claims and conclusions with really nice shots. Very good job and it sounds like the camera is working well. It does help renew my confidence in staying with Sony.
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Dave
 
Thanks for the test, and good to hear about the positive results! As you say rightly, it's probably more of a matter of getting used to, than anything else. Nice shots of a cute girl, too...!

qp
 
Unlike so many posting on this forum, you are definitely backing up your claims and conclusions with really nice shots. Very good job and it sounds like the camera is working well. It does help renew my confidence in staying with Sony.
Thank you! I think using this generation of cameras are more about adjusting your technique a bit than blaming the camera. Using the evf is a bit different from working with an ovf camera. I find the A77 very fun and user friendly, and image quality is very close to the A900. Actually, I can't think of any situation where this camera would not do the job.

It took me some time to get used with the A55, but using the A77 feels very close to an ovf camera. For most of the time I don't even think of the A77 as an evf camera. With the A55 this is a different story.

Sony is clearly moving in a new direction. I think they have proved that they can build as well functioning and reliable cameras as everybody else (read C/N). I would be surprised if this is not true for the SLT cameras too. Professional video producers and amateur video makers have relied on evf's for decades, so why not still photographers too?
 
Great images, great test, thanks.
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Have you tried with more erratic/ randomly moving subjects? I think that was the bigger concern about the evf. Straight line movements are more predictable, but i think most of us are concerned about framing/tracking erratic mvements while filling the frame. say small fast birds or football (any type) players. Or was the girl twisting and turning a lot during your tests?
 
this could have been taken with an a77, all I have heard is how bad it is on moving subjects due to the huge EVF lag ;)

Just kidding, love the last shot. I love my a77 as well.

Gene
 
Unlike so many posting on this forum, you are definitely backing up your claims and conclusions with really nice shots. Very good job and it sounds like the camera is working well.
A big +1 on that comment. Great shots. I especially enjoy the last one.
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I believe that DPR was referirng to the 12/sec. mode, which does not give you live view. At 8/sec (5/sec. with the A65) you have live view and no more trouble tracking than with an optical finder.
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Have you tried with more erratic/ randomly moving subjects?
Should not be a problem. I have used the A55 for fotball and other kinds of sports, and have never had serious problems with evf lag. It takes some testing to get used to the A55 viewfinder, but with the A77 you should get used to the viewfinder very quick. As said earlier, following moving objects are more about photographic technique than getting used to the A65/A77 evf.
 
this could have been taken with an a77, all I have heard is how bad it is on moving subjects due to the huge EVF lag ;)

Just kidding, love the last shot. I love my a77 as well.
The question is: Do I, as a photographer, respond as quick as needed? What about my psycological lag :-)
 
I really feel sorry for her:
"And we tested for hours!"

It's really strange that you don't have any problems with panning as according to DPR "it makes panning with fast-moving subjects very hard indeed, since you never know where they are - only where they were."
I believe that was in reference to the high speed burst mode where the image in the viewfinder is a bit behind the fast moving subject. I know with my A55 I have no problem at all while panning in single shot or 3fps burst mode.

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Tom

Look at the picture, not the pixels

http://www.flickr.com/photos/25301400@N00/
 
I've had the same "nice" results. The only issue i've seen so far, and I'll test it out a bit more, is when i'm doing B.I.F. and it's just "the Bird and the Sky" with no other background, it (in wide focus) tends to underexpose a little more than the A700.
The focus mode has nothing to do with exposure. Try different metering modes instead.

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Tom

Look at the picture, not the pixels

http://www.flickr.com/photos/25301400@N00/
 

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