How to create a new folder ? (Xp20)

[Joeintheuk]

I have a Fujifilm XP20 (the waterproof one).

How do I get the camera to create a new folder on the SD card? At the moment all my pics are in a folder called 101_Fuji. Is there an easy way to start taking pics in 102_Fuji, and so on? I'm guessing that the reformat command may do this, but I don't want to wipe the existing card.

I want to do this so that if I'm out and about I can segregate different sessions or days into a different folder.

 

[Conrad Birdie]

DO NOT REFORMAT. Reformatting will remove all photos on the card and any data on the card. I only reformat if I am going to use that card in a different camera.

What you are asking to do is to change the DIRECTORY of the stored files. The DIRECTORY is the first 3 digits. Example 101, 102.

The last 4 digits are the actual file number of the photo.

I am not sure you can change the directory number, but I am not positive about that either. I just did a quick search of your owners manual and I could not find instructions on how to change the directory number. Sorry. Perhaps someone who has that camera will know how too, and chime in for you.

Good Luck.

I have a Fujifilm XP20 (the waterproof one).

How do I get the camera to create a new folder on the SD card? At the moment all my pics are in a folder called 101_Fuji. Is there an easy way to start taking pics in 102_Fuji, and so on? I'm guessing that the reformat command may do this, but I don't want to wipe the existing card.

I want to do this so that if I'm out and about I can segregate different sessions or days into a different folder.

--
Conrad Birdie
"Aspire to Inspire before you Expire"

 

[Billx08]

I have a Fujifilm XP20 (the waterproof one).

How do I get the camera to create a new folder on the SD card? At the moment all my pics are in a folder called 101_Fuji. Is there an easy way to start taking pics in 102_Fuji, and so on? I'm guessing that the reformat command may do this, but I don't want to wipe the existing card.

I want to do this so that if I'm out and about I can segregate different sessions or days into a different folder.

If you create your own 102_Fuji folder (it must also live inside the DCIM folder) I'll bet that the XP20 will start using it. In general, it's best to copy your old photos to your computer. Most people then delete the photos on the card. If you take enough photos, cameras will eventually create new storage folders automatically. Some do it when the number of photos (or the photo number) reach a certain amount. Others do it by date. If you move the 101_Fuji folder to some other location out of the DCIM folder, the camera will also automatically create a new storage folder. When I've moved folders such as your "101_Fuji" to a new location, it's usually into a folder that I call "copied", and at the same time I rename it to the name of the folder that I've copied the photos to on the computer. So if I've copied photos to a "Fourth of July" folder on the computer, after renaming and moving the folder on the memory card, the old photos will now be in a folder on the memory card that looks like this :

M:\copied\Fourth of July\

When you do this though, the camera usually won't see the moved photos anymore because it only looks for photos that are located somewhere within the DCIM folder. lf you want to still be able to use the camera to view all of the old as well as the new photos, creating a new 102_Fuji folder and leaving the old 101_Fuji folder alone should do it.

 

[Billx08]

. . .
What you are asking to do is to change the DIRECTORY of the stored files.

Yes, that will work, but . . .

The DIRECTORY is the first 3 digits. Example 101, 102.

The last 4 digits are the actual file number of the photo.

No, that's incorrect. Directories are equivalent to folders, You've combined part of the folder name with part of the file name, and cameras don't do it that way. With Fuji cameras, you expect to see folder names like "100_FUJI", "101_FUJI", "102_FUJI", etc., just as the OP said, and the first three characters define the folder number as you've said. But the filenames of photos stored inside these folders look like "DSCF0191.JPG", "DSCF0192.JPG", etc, where the first four characters ("DSCF" in this case) partially identifies the type of photos. Bursts or bracketed photos may use some other 4 letter combinations other than "DSCF".

I am not sure you can change the directory number, but I am not positive about that either.

Yes, you can do it manually, with the card in a card reader, or by putting the card in another camera, which will then automatically create a new folder that changes the format of the folder name from "###_FUJI" to "###XXXXX", where the XXXXX part differs, depending on the camera manufacturer and the camera model.

I just did a quick search of your owners manual and I could not find instructions on how to change the directory number. Sorry. Perhaps someone who has that camera will know how too, and chime in for you.

It's easy to do it manually, and wise to use the next sequential 3 digit number. So if the last photo taken was saved in "104_FUJI", just create a "105_FUJI" folder. lf you instead create a "327_FUJI" folder, that should also work, but it will only add confusion, especially if the next folder manually created is "281_FUJI". It's best to keep things as simple as possible. At least that's what Occam told me a couple of days ago. I'd also like to have been able to say that a little birdie told me, but maybe I'll be able to say that the next time.

 

[Conrad Birdie]

. . .
What you are asking to do is to change the DIRECTORY of the stored files.

Yes, that will work, but . . .

The DIRECTORY is the first 3 digits. Example 101, 102.

The last 4 digits are the actual file number of the photo.

No, that's incorrect.

Call Fuji and tell them then. Not me.



--
Conrad Birdie
"Aspire to Inspire before you Expire"

 

[Conrad Birdie]

I have a Fujifilm XP20 (the waterproof one).

How do I get the camera to create a new folder on the SD card? At the moment all my pics are in a folder called 101_Fuji. Is there an easy way to start taking pics in 102_Fuji, and so on? I'm guessing that the reformat command may do this, but I don't want to wipe the existing card.

I want to do this so that if I'm out and about I can segregate different sessions or days into a different folder.

If you create your own 102_Fuji folder (it must also live inside the DCIM folder) I'll bet that the XP20 will start using it. In general, it's best to copy your old photos to your computer. Most people then delete the photos on the card. If you take enough photos, cameras will eventually create new storage folders automatically. Some do it when the number of photos (or the photo number) reach a certain amount. Others do it by date. If you move the 101_Fuji folder to some other location out of the DCIM folder, the camera will also automatically create a new storage folder. When I've moved folders such as your "101_Fuji" to a new location, it's usually into a folder that I call "copied", and at the same time I rename it to the name of the folder that I've copied the photos to on the computer. So if I've copied photos to a "Fourth of July" folder on the computer, after renaming and moving the folder on the memory card, the old photos will now be in a folder on the memory card that looks like this :

M:\copied\Fourth of July\

When you do this though, the camera usually won't see the moved photos anymore because it only looks for photos that are located somewhere within the DCIM folder. lf you want to still be able to use the camera to view all of the old as well as the new photos, creating a new 102_Fuji folder and leaving the old 101_Fuji folder alone should do it.

Which I am sure totally defeats what his intent is, and that is to keep the photos on the card.

His quote from his original post.

Quote:

I want to do this so that if I'm out and about I can segregate different sessions or days into a different folder.
Unquote:

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Conrad Birdie
"Aspire to Inspire before you Expire"

 

[Billx08]

. . .
What you are asking to do is to change the DIRECTORY of the stored files.

Yes, that will work, but . . .

The DIRECTORY is the first 3 digits. Example 101, 102.

The last 4 digits are the actual file number of the photo.

No, that's incorrect.

Call Fuji and tell them then. Not me.

Unnecessary. You apparently don't know the difference between a directory (aka, a folder) and a directory number. In any case, although you were only slightly wrong here, you were needlessly unhelpful in your explanation. The OP had a question about how to creat a new folder, and I correctly explained how to create one, how to name it, and also provided some acccurate information about Fuji's filename conventions. What you discussed is something completely different, and of much less use in helping the OP to understand what he's dealing with and how to solve his problem. You're talking about a number seen in the camera's LCD display that is NEVER seen on the memory card. It's a composite number, put together from bits of the folder name and bits of the file name, and you failed to make this clear or to say anything about it. Too late now to correct your mistake, but it does show that you're advice should usually be considered suspect.

Conrad Birdie
"Aspire to Inspire before you Expire"

Aspire to be correct before that day arrives.

 

[Billx08]

I have a Fujifilm XP20 (the waterproof one).

How do I get the camera to create a new folder on the SD card? At the moment all my pics are in a folder called 101_Fuji. Is there an easy way to start taking pics in 102_Fuji, and so on? I'm guessing that the reformat command may do this, but I don't want to wipe the existing card.

I want to do this so that if I'm out and about I can segregate different sessions or days into a different folder.

If you create your own 102_Fuji folder (it must also live inside the DCIM folder) I'll bet that the XP20 will start using it. In general, it's best to copy your old photos to your computer. Most people then delete the photos on the card. If you take enough photos, cameras will eventually create new storage folders automatically. Some do it when the number of photos (or the photo number) reach a certain amount. Others do it by date. If you move the 101_Fuji folder to some other location out of the DCIM folder, the camera will also automatically create a new storage folder. When I've moved folders such as your "101_Fuji" to a new location, it's usually into a folder that I call "copied", and at the same time I rename it to the name of the folder that I've copied the photos to on the computer. So if I've copied photos to a "Fourth of July" folder on the computer, after renaming and moving the folder on the memory card, the old photos will now be in a folder on the memory card that looks like this :

M:\copied\Fourth of July\

When you do this though, the camera usually won't see the moved photos anymore because it only looks for photos that are located somewhere within the DCIM folder. lf you want to still be able to use the camera to view all of the old as well as the new photos, creating a new 102_Fuji folder and leaving the old 101_Fuji folder alone should do it.

Which I am sure totally defeats what his intent is, and that is to keep the photos on the card.

His quote from his original post.

Quote:

I want to do this so that if I'm out and about I can segregate different sessions or days into a different folder.
Unquote:

And you're still wrong. If you name the folders appropriately, you can easily continue to segregate the photos by date, and by their naming and/or location, can control whether the camera is able to display them or not, and despite your "defeatist" assertion, all of the photos will remain on the card. Of course if they're made unviewable in the camera (this is easily controlled), they'll all still be able to be viewed and/or copied by placing the memory card into a card reader. I can do it. I've previously done it, many times in fact. Have you, ever?

What the OP should be aware of is that what he wants to do is a "feature" that cameras from other manufacturers have. They're able to sort photos in several ways, one being by date, without changing anything on the memory card. I'm not aware of any small Fuji cameras that can do this, but Fuji's S200EXR is at least one model that can display photos sorted by date. In fact, I can place memory cards into the S200EXR that have many photos shot on different dates, and whether they were taken from smaller Fujis that don't sort photos by date or from other brands such as several of Panasonic's models that do allow viewing photos by date (the DMC-ZS7 is one of these), the S200EXR is still able to display the photos in date order, if that's what the owner chooses to do.

 

[Conrad Birdie]

I had the decency to try to look up the information that the OP requested via the owners manual. I took the time to do just that. I posted FACTUAL INFORMATION as taken directly from the owners manual. I even posted a copy of the page for you. But you just HAVE to continue with your typical discrediting mannerisms. So typical of you.

Absolutely NOTHING I stated was incorrect. It was YOU who attempted to interject words that I simply never stated, or even suggested . That is what you do best, in continually trying to discredit people here in these forums. Your sickness is just that, a sickness that needs Professional help. I am not qualified to help in that regards, sorry.

What I am qualified to do is to offer up HELP to the members here, and I even went so far as to admitting in my first post, that I had no idea how to change the Directory numbers. You see Billx08, I am an HONEST person who does not feel the need to say something that is NOT true. I am also well versed at computer technology and information, so please don't try to use childish insults about elementary knowledge of the differences between Directories and Folders. Is it unbecoming of any rational human being to resort to silly insults which you continually do.

Now, I should have done this quite some time ago. I am placing you into my IGNORE list for the rest of your posting career here at Dpreview. I will notify the moderators of my decision to do just that. I will NEVER respond to you again, (of which I am sure you will be thankful, and frankly, I should have done that a few months ago). If you continue to STALK ME around the forums like you do Daniel Lowe and a few others, you will be reported until you are gone. Trust me, I am strong enough to IGNORE YOU, it will now be up to you to see if you are strong enough. I suggest you learn.

Good bye Bill. Have a great life.

P.S. I will indeed continue to report ALL of your rule violations, as I have done at least three times today with Daniel Lowe.

Conrad

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Conrad Birdie
"Aspire to Inspire before you Expire"

 

[Conrad Birdie]

I am so sorry your thread was hijacked by a member on a mission. I did sincerely try to help, and it was not my intent to be followed around by our resident stalker who likes to cause trouble.

I sincerely hope you get the information you requested. Sorry again for the interruptions.
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Conrad Birdie
"Aspire to Inspire before you Expire"

 

[Billx08]

I had the decency to try to look up the information that the OP requested via the owners manual. I took the time to do just that. I posted FACTUAL INFORMATION as taken directly from the owners manual. I even posted a copy of the page for you. But you just HAVE to continue with your typical discrediting mannerisms. So typical of you.

Yes, you took factual information, but then failed to accurately or correctly state what it showed.

Absolutely NOTHING I stated was incorrect. It was YOU who attempted to interject words that I simply never stated, or even suggested . That is what you do best, in continually trying to discredit people here in these forums. Your sickness is just that, a sickness that needs Professional help. I am not qualified to help in that regards, sorry.

Most other forum members that read your rants have a different opinion of who needs help, but what you stated is as wrong now as it was when you wrote it. A composite number displayed on the camera's LCD that shows part of a directory name and part of a filename is not a real object that anyone can find on the memory card. The partial image of the page that you eventually posted makes very clear what these two numbers are, but it's of almost no help in telling the camera owner how to create new folders, how to rename them in different ways to control the different ways that they can be viewed (or not viewed). What I wrote provided a lot more information about the inner workings of the camera's folder and filename conventions and how to modify them to do things that the camera doesn't necessarily allow.

What I am qualified to do is to offer up HELP to the members here, and I even went so far as to admitting in my first post, that I had no idea how to change the Directory numbers. You see Billx08, I am an HONEST person who does not feel the need to say something that is NOT true. I am also well versed at computer technology and information, so please don't try to use childish insults about elementary knowledge of the differences between Directories and Folders. Is it unbecoming of any rational human being to resort to silly insults which you continually do.

You're doing an excellent job of making yourself look childish and foolish so there's no need for me to even consider insulting you. In fact, even here you've got it backwards. I never said that there's any difference at all between a directory and a folder. I was trying to make clear that these are the same, but not the same as what Fuji calls a "Directory number". If you weren't so angry, driven by your vendetta (one of many that you have, and that you've publicly admitted to) you'd have been able to understand my points. Had anyone other than you written the same reply, I would have answered it in much the same manner. Everything isn't really about you , even if that's the way you see it.

Now, I should have done this quite some time ago. I am placing you into my IGNORE list for the rest of your posting career here at Dpreview. I will notify the moderators of my decision to do just that. I will NEVER respond to you again, (of which I am sure you will be thankful, and frankly, I should have done that a few months ago).

I agree, that's a good move that you should have made a long time ago. But I'm under no illusion that you won't break this vow since you've broken similar vows before. But at least it's a good start.

If you continue to STALK ME around the forums like you do Daniel Lowe and a few others, you will be reported until you are gone. Trust me, I am strong enough to IGNORE YOU, it will now be up to you to see if you are strong enough. I suggest you learn.

That "stalking" charge is silly and simply untrue. Can you show where I've followed you to different forums? All I know is that others have said that you posted frequently in what used to be the Retouching forum, one of the forums that I don't read or post to. I followed only what appeared to be a new thread in this forum, the one that I most often reply in, from someone that needed help, and since you rarely post in this forum, never expected to see a reply from you in this thread. If your reply to the OP was completely correct there would have been no reason to add mine. If your reply had simply omitted some other useful piece of information, I would probably have mentioned that in a reply to the OP, not in a reply to you. But I saw that your answer was not only wrong in part, it also left out much that could have provided a solution. Bigger men are able to accept that.

Good bye Bill. Have a great life.

P.S. I will indeed continue to report ALL of your rule violations, as I have done at least three times today with Daniel Lowe.

I suspect that the moderators don't jump for joy every time they see yet another incoming diatribe from Conrad Birdie. I think that they'd really appreciate it if you'd make a similar vow to them.

 

[Joeintheuk]

Thanks all, didn't even consider such a firestorm woudl result from a perfectly innocent question !!!!

Let me explain a bit more, I am very experienced with computers, so I have no issue creating folders on a card via a PC, not reformatting before backups, etc.

However, what was I was hoping to be able to do, but it seems isn't possible, was from the > > camera

On my Panasonics for example, that's easy to do, there is a command in the menu, and say you have a folder called PANA_100 where photos currently are being placed, a new folder will be created called PANA_101 and new photos will be placed in that. Its also easy to do on my little Canon P&S.

I was just hoping for a menu command in the Fuji to do the same, I had searched the manual, and my apologies for not saying so, but I had hoped I had missed or misunderstood something and the command was in there, but it appears not.

So, I currently have one folder which if memory serves is 100_FUJI, I expect at some point the Fuji will mysteriously create a 101_FUJI, and wanted some control over that process. Thanks guys.

... seconds out, round two ?

 

[Billx08]

. . .

Let me explain a bit more, I am very experienced with computers, so I have no issue creating folders on a card via a PC, not reformatting before backups, etc.

However, what was I was hoping to be able to do, but it seems isn't possible, was from the > > camera

On my Panasonics for example, that's easy to do, there is a command in the menu, and say you have a folder called PANA_100 where photos currently are being placed, a new folder will be created called PANA_101 and new photos will be placed in that. Its also easy to do on my little Canon P&S.

It's not easy phrasing questions that provide sufficient information to get the best possible answers. Some of us also have cameras that allow custom folders to be created, but if all possible alternatives were mentioned, comprehensive replies wouldn't fit within the 6,000 character message limit and would be gross overkill most of the time. Several of my cameras also allow the 3 character filename prefix (usually "DSC") to be changed.

It doesn't appear that you've overlooked anything, but what you can do to change folder numbers and filenames of subsequently shot photos when you want/need to do so is to prepare a memory card in advance and keep it in your camera bag for use when a computer isn't at hand. So if your last photo was saved in 101_FUJI and you want to start saving in 102_FUJI, you'd replace the memory card with the one in your bag that you'd previously created a "102_FUJI" folder inside the DCIM folder. Take a test photo, and then swap cards so that the original memory card is back in the camera. It should continue saving photos in the new "102_FUJI" folder that it will create automatically.

I just tested this with an F70EXR which had a card having 100_FUJI and 101FUJI folders. The last filename in 101FUJI was DSCF1149.JPG. When I put a test card in the camera having an empty DCIM\102_FUJI folder, the next shot taken was DSCF2001.JPG. When I put the original card back in the F70 that still only had the 100_FUJI and 101_FUJI folders, the next shot taken was, as expected, DSCF2002.JPG and it was placed in the just create 102_FUJI folder. If for some reason you wanted the next photo to start from DSCF2501, all you'd need to do would be to copy a JPG file into the 102_FUJI folder and rename it to DSCF2500.JPG before taking the next shot.

 

[Conrad Birdie]

Joe,

What you could do, which may seem kind of elementary, is to create a card that you would photograph at the end of each day/session, and photograph that card at days end. That way when you come across the photograph of the card, you would know the next session or day will follow.

Now, some camera's will sort by date also for viewing, but I did not look that one up in your manual to see if it will. Sorry.

You could also buy a small photo viewer to carry with you and upload your photos to it daily. I am sure they have folder capabilities.

Good Luck Joe.

I have a Fujifilm XP20 (the waterproof one).

How do I get the camera to create a new folder on the SD card? At the moment all my pics are in a folder called 101_Fuji. Is there an easy way to start taking pics in 102_Fuji, and so on? I'm guessing that the reformat command may do this, but I don't want to wipe the existing card.

I want to do this so that if I'm out and about I can segregate different sessions or days into a different folder.

--
Conrad Birdie
"Aspire to Inspire before you Expire"

 

[Billx08]

Joe,

What you could do, which may seem kind of elementary, is to create a card that you would photograph at the end of each day/session, and photograph that card at days end. That way when you come across the photograph of the card, you would know the next session or day will follow.

I assume that you mean a photo of a large card, not a memory card. But if all you're doing this for is to use it as a divider between sessions or days, you could even more easily just take a photo of a bare wall, side of a building or the sky. Why carry a card? This would only be moderately useful when viewing on the camera's LCD. On a computer it's extremely easy to find the break points since file browsers can sort by date/time, and Joe knows his way around computers.

 

[Ralph McKenzie]

The new generation of Fujis have this facility already on the new models.
The XP20 has it as does the HS20.
Its called Photobook assistant.
Take a couple hundred shots on day one and store them in a photobook 1.
Take a couple of hundred tomorrow and store them in photobook 2.
Each book can accommodate 300 images.
The limit depends upon the size of the memory card.

The HS20 comes with 6 Photobooks already allocated, so thats 1800 shots before it needs to create any more Photobooks.

Run the special movie if you want to see more about this . Its on the right hand side of the page under the Photobook Assist Logo

http://www.fujifilm.com/products/digital_cameras/xp/finepix_xp20/features/page_04.html

The photos are then uploaded to your computer via the My FinePix software which automatically notes what Photobooks you have and displays the files accordingly.

Then you just save the files to where you want them and edit as per normal. Easy Peezy really
No need for special folders as its done for you.

Love dat Fuji
http://akiwiretrospective.blogspot.com/
Fuji HS20EXR
Fuji HS10,
Pentax K1000, Pentax sf7, Pentax zx-50

 

[Billx08]

The new generation of Fujis have this facility already on the new models.
The XP20 has it as does the HS20.
Its called Photobook assistant.
Take a couple hundred shots on day one and store them in a photobook 1.
Take a couple of hundred tomorrow and store them in photobook 2.
Each book can accommodate 300 images.
The limit depends upon the size of the memory card.

The HS20 comes with 6 Photobooks already allocated, so thats 1800 shots before it needs to create any more Photobooks.

That looks like a clumsy way for the OP to do what he wants. All he'd need (I think) would be a camera that displays images, sorted by date, with no extra effort required by the photographer. From what I've read, to use Photobook Assistant, each photo has to be manually tagged before it's added to a "book". The main purpose of PA seems to be sharing photos, getting pre-selected prints made at a kiosk, and having real photo books made, for probably a pretty penny. If you use PA, is it well designed, allowing you to tag, search and view many photos quickly, or has most of the effort gone into transferring photos to some service?

 

[Ralph McKenzie]

The new generation of Fujis have this facility already on the new models.
The XP20 has it as does the HS20.
Its called Photobook assistant.
Take a couple hundred shots on day one and store them in a photobook 1.
Take a couple of hundred tomorrow and store them in photobook 2.
Each book can accommodate 300 images.
The limit depends upon the size of the memory card.

The HS20 comes with 6 Photobooks already allocated, so thats 1800 shots before it needs to create any more Photobooks.

That looks like a clumsy way for the OP to do what he wants. All he'd need (I think) would be a camera that displays images, sorted by date, with no extra effort required by the photographer. From what I've read, to use Photobook Assistant, each photo has to be manually tagged before it's added to a "book". The main purpose of PA seems to be sharing photos, getting pre-selected prints made at a kiosk, and having real photo books made, for probably a pretty penny. If you use PA, is it well designed, allowing you to tag, search and view many photos quickly, or has most of the effort gone into transferring photos to some service?

There are many ways to sort, by date is the one I prefer.

You can select multiple frames or singular if you wish. You could if you wanted to (but I dont) tag for printing or for Facebook.

It is I agree still a little clumsy so I'm hoping that Fuji will refine it as it has all the right ingredients. I've taken the time to get to know how to use it so in that respect its become second nature.

Where this is most handy is when you dont have access to a PC or Laptop to pre format the sd card with extra folders. Even if one did that with these cameras as you pointed out earlier its still going to make a base folder anyway, so making extra folders on a Fuji cam at the moment seems a little bit fruitless.
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Love dat Fuji
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Fuji HS20EXR
Fuji HS10,
Pentax K1000, Pentax sf7, Pentax zx-50

 

[Joeintheuk]

Thanks guys, looks like the bottom line is that it can't be done, I appreciate the photobook suggestion but thats far too much work (tagging each picture) for what was a very minor "nice to have" of just having a bunch of different folders,easily created whilst out and about.

Obviously the photos all have dates on them anyway, so I can organise them on my computer with those, I'd just got used with all my other cameras, having quite a few folders, makes it easy if I know that Pana_100 is all the pics I took at place X, and Pana_120 is at some other place,pr pana_xxx and xxx+1 are the two most recent sets of pictures, whereas it seems for Fuji I'm just going to have one folder with a large number of pics ?1,000? in each, until it creates a new folder when that is "full".

To put this into context, my "workflow", FWIW, is along the lines of;

If out and about, copy new photos at end of day onto iPad.
If card is full, put a new card in.
When home, copy card(s) onto external disk.
Import pictures from external disk into iPhoto.

External disk is automatically backed up locally every hour, and iPhoto locally every hour, and online every week.

Only after that, reformat card or delete pics. As you can see, I'm reasonably paranoid about not losing pics

What I'll see is once I reformat, if it creates a 10x_Fuji.

 

[dick52717]

Thanks all, didn't even consider such a firestorm woudl result from a perfectly innocent question !!!!

And all the BS could have been avoided if you had simply called Fuji first.

If you don't get a satisfactory answer from the first person, call again and hit the PRO prompt.
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