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If the Q IQ can match this from an aging S90, albeit with a slightly larger sensor, I will be all for it. With an up to date sensor and newer algorithms and firmware, I don't why that would be impossible.

And yes, I know this example may look like a painting. . .





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Rube
http://www.flickr.com/photos/71881102@N00/
 
I love the colors of that shot but the IQ isn't so hot. And I like Canon, and the S90 is only a few years old, hardly 'aging' with its 10mp. But the resolution of this shot is pretty poor really, and look at the characters on the side of the building - green, and the area all around them is smeared green too. The foliage is poor too.

I like the picture - and it DOES have a 'painting' look to it - but as an example of image quality, it's not much.
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Art is far superior to "artsy".
 
Maybe instead of 'Image Quality' we should invent a new word, 'Picture Quality'?
+1

Also 'picture quality' is a personal preference rather than a technical comparison. I recall looking at all the reviews where cameras like the LX5 always got the highest scores for 'image quality' because they were technically better I suppose, yet I thought they looked 'digital' and the pictures from the GRD3 were better.

And I'm looking at old Ricoh M42 and K mount lenses now and seeing the same thing again, the image quality of the Auto Rikenons for instance may not be the best when it comes to IQ ratings but they are the best pictures. Unique at any rate. Which is a personal preference as i mentioned. I like the results from these lenses compared to other lenses.
 
really very beautiful colors!
Thank you very much,
Rube I see you are in Japan. How is the reception of the Q there? I imagine that it may sell well in Japan where small means cute and cute reigns. What do you think?
I have seen a lot of ads, so I think it might be a big deal.

However, it is not initially offered in designer colors, so I wonder who the target market actually is. Kids get cameras often because they are cute, but kids don't want to pay big money, adjust the settings, or change lenses.

So my current guess is that it is aimed at the 'gadget maniacs' and 'camera otaku (nerd),' of which there are many.

BTW, the sony NEX is a really big seller here, as is micro 4/3s. And it was Pentax who brought us multicolored dSLRs.

Rube
http://www.flickr.com/photos/71881102@N00/
 
Rube, I have to agree. This is a work of art and very viewable.

I am afraid that there is the science of photography in which every image however badly composed must be pin sharp, in focus and noiseless. Thereby automatically becoming good by definition. Well composed and it becomes a priceless recording of a moment in time faithfully recorded.

On the other hand a photograph is art. A well composed image, even with wonky colours and other detail defects can be an emotional thing.

For my way of thought any image that looks good, stirs emotions, must be good. Looking for technical flaws simply defeats the purpose.

If the Q does well it may not be because it is dslr capture perfection, but I am expecting images that twang a few emotional strings and that must make a great camera.

Of course you are more likely to have your Q handy when that sunset appears in front of your eyes. Rush home for the dslr and the moment is gone.

Therefore the Q might not be for everyone, long may the differences exist, but for me, an image has an emotional appeal that transcends finite quality.

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Tom Caldwell
 
I love the colors of that shot but the IQ isn't so hot. And I like Canon, and the S90 is only a few years old, hardly 'aging' with its 10mp. But the resolution of this shot is pretty poor really, and look at the characters on the side of the building - green, and the area all around them is smeared green too. The foliage is poor too.

I like the picture - and it DOES have a 'painting' look to it - but as an example of image quality, it's not much.
I consider resolution to not be a factor if image quality. Having 20 MP of resolution but with poor color balance, noisy, pattern noise, poor dynamic range/exposure latitude does not make the IQ great. Same goes for a 2MP image having great colors, no noise, and wide dynamic range does not become poor IQ because of lack of overall resolution now does it?!
 
I just like photographs, they do not have to be works of art of perfect, the above are just fine in my book. It will be interesting to see how the Q does, and I am also wondering what it is about the CX5 that people think it is a major upgrade for the CX line... Some of the pics I took with my CX1 are by far my favorite pictures.
 
Therefore the Q might not be for everyone, long may the differences exist, but for me, an image has an emotional appeal that transcends finite quality.
For me, you hit the nail right on the head here Tom - there are two major groups within photographers; those who use cameras as technical tools to capture the scene before their lens as accurately as possible, where the value of the image comes about the technical achievement (sharpness of the subject, overall clarity of the image) and those that use the camera as a means to an end in order to achieve a portrayal of an artistic/emotionally-evocative image, where the value of the image comes about in both the artist's satisfaction with the image and the perception to the image that the audience goes through.

For me the Q seems an interesting little experiment, and I am curious to see how both sets of photographers that I have mentioned embrace it (if, of course, anyone buys it, as many premature critics have predicted they will not).

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So my current guess is that it is aimed at the 'gadget maniacs' and 'camera otaku (nerd),' of which there are many.
I would venture that it's more aimed at young women than anything else. They're the major demographic behind the photo boom there; they typically have a good chunk of expendable income laying around; they highly value style and compactness; they like novelties like fish eye lenses and the like; and Japanese camera companies have a history of creating designs catered to women as the primary user base (i.e.- Nikon D40 was designed with a compact size specifically for women because it was thought that they would be the primary user of the camera to take high-quality pics of their family at home, school events, etc. while their husbands were away at work.)

Doesn't mean that others won't glom onto the camera and enjoy it too, but I bet that's their main focus in the home market. Take a look at something like the Camera People Store site ( http://camepstore.com/?mode=f12 ) and you'll see exactly where the Q fits in. Outside of Japan, the marketing won't be as gender-based I'd bet simply because we don't respond as well to it.

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I would venture that it's more aimed at young women than anything else.
right, and so were most of the m4/3rds and smaller dSLRs, and as seen in the link you provide 'designer's', exclusive looking accessories for them, leather cases, straps asf. has been big business .

traveling in Asia these last years, not counting in Japan, I have had the impression that of western tourists many woman, maybe more than men, carry a dSLR and that it's mostly Asian men who carry a m4/3rds. - that even though m4/3rds are advertized specially for women in Asia, and in the west a dSLR still has a macho image and would not be be advertized primarily for women

http://flickr.com/photos/kuuan/
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/andreasgriesmayr
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=kuuan
 
traveling in Asia these last years, not counting in Japan, I have had the impression that of western tourists many woman, maybe more than men, carry a dSLR and that it's mostly Asian men who carry a m4/3rds. - that even though m4/3rds are advertized specially for women in Asia, and in the west a dSLR still has a macho image and would not be be advertized primarily for women
Good point, and that's why I was saying that others outside of the main demographic will likely pick up on the camera. I'm reminded of when I owned a Scion xB here in the U.S. about 7 years ago (rebadged Toyota bB). Big, ultra trendy youth sub-culture oriented marketing push - hip-hop music, street culture, grafitti art etc.; real niche marketing on a grand scale. Very amusing though, because one of the largest purchasing groups were older drivers (50-70 year olds) that loved it because it was so easy to get into and out of, plus very economical and easy to manuever too.

Re: DSLRs and western women, I can't speak for any country other than the U.S., but DSLRs are big with women here partly because we have a lot of "soccer moms" who do nothing but haul their kids around to sports matches and take photos of their little darlings in action from the sidelines.

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http://www.emasterphoto.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/emasterphoto/
 
traveling in Asia these last years, not counting in Japan, I have had the impression that of western tourists many woman, maybe more than men, carry a dSLR and that it's mostly Asian men who carry a m4/3rds. - that even though m4/3rds are advertized specially for women in Asia, and in the west a dSLR still has a macho image and would not be be advertized primarily for women
Good point, and that's why I was saying that others outside of the main demographic will likely pick up on the camera. I'm reminded of when I owned a Scion xB here in the U.S. about 7 years ago (rebadged Toyota bB). Big, ultra trendy youth sub-culture oriented marketing push - hip-hop music, street culture, grafitti art etc.; real niche marketing on a grand scale. Very amusing though, because one of the largest purchasing groups were older drivers (50-70 year olds) that loved it because it was so easy to get into and out of, plus very economical and easy to manuever too.

Re: DSLRs and western women, I can't speak for any country other than the U.S., but DSLRs are big with women here partly because we have a lot of "soccer moms" who do nothing but haul their kids around to sports matches and take photos of their little darlings in action from the sidelines.

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http://www.emasterphoto.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/emasterphoto/
I know that I bought the GXR because it was the smallest camera I could get with a larger sensor, I did not like the OLY EP-1 for myself as tot he UI, the IQ was very good. As for the Q, the size makes it very interesting even for this male, and if it had a slightly larger sensor would be of much more interest.
 
The s90 is fine as is, imo. It makes an excellent compromise for quality to size. The q makes an entirely different compromise in that it isn't much smaller then an m4/3 or my leica, for that matter.

Here are a couple of shots-

S90 color
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jrphotographycomau/5922037948/

S90 dof
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28113173@N04/5914381478/
I would venture that it's more aimed at young women than anything else. They're the major demographic behind the photo boom there; they typically have a good chunk of expendable income laying around; they highly value style and compactness; they like novelties like fish eye lenses and the like;
The misogynists must be on parade today. Let's not forget pentax is the company that brought the world both the pink and rainbow dslrs. They do less to obscure their target audience then any other camera company in the world. The q is hard, angular and stark in black and chrome. The q seems to target young hipsters that want something more capable then a smart phone and smaller and cheaper then a m4/3 set.
 
The misogynists must be on parade today. Let's not forget pentax is the company that brought the world both the pink and rainbow dslrs. They do less to obscure their target audience then any other camera company in the world. The q is hard, angular and stark in black and chrome. The q seems to target young hipsters that want something more capable then a smart phone and smaller and cheaper then a m4/3 set.
Not sure how misogyny plays into this. The black Q is indeed very sharp, but the creme/white one is pretty obvious as to its marketing target.

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http://www.emasterphoto.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/emasterphoto/
 
Chikubi wrote:

The black Q is indeed very sharp, but the creme/white one is pretty obvious as to its marketing target.

Really? I have a white pen, and think it looks great. So maybe Pentax's marketing target is aging rugby players?

Rube
http://www.flickr.com/photos/71881102@N00/
 
I am pretty sure that marketing is much aware that a camera advertized for men may well attract women for that very reason, and vice versa.

E.g. i can imagine that a camera marketed as a 'man thing', a dSLR in Europe, may well attract women for having a 'touch, 'doer's' image and the feeling of 'power' it may induce. A camera being advertized for women as being 'light, cute, practical, not all that serious but fun' may attract men who identify with these attributes, if only as a second camera for certain occasions.

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http://flickr.com/photos/kuuan/
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/andreasgriesmayr
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=kuuan
 
Therefore the Q might not be for everyone, long may the differences exist, but for me, an image has an emotional appeal that transcends finite quality.
For me, you hit the nail right on the head here Tom - there are two major groups within photographers; those who use cameras as technical tools to capture the scene before their lens as accurately as possible, where the value of the image comes about the technical achievement (sharpness of the subject, overall clarity of the image) and those that use the camera as a means to an end in order to achieve a portrayal of an artistic/emotionally-evocative image, where the value of the image comes about in both the artist's satisfaction with the image and the perception to the image that the audience goes through.

For me the Q seems an interesting little experiment, and I am curious to see how both sets of photographers that I have mentioned embrace it (if, of course, anyone buys it, as many premature critics have predicted they will not).
David,

The "too small a sensor" critics are probably those who like the prefect technical capture and there is nothing wrong with that thought - it is just what they like. I doubt if they will ever get to try out a Q. It is damned by it's specification.

Unless of course the dog eared artist types like myself (and perhaps Rube and yourself) might have a play with the Q and apart from noisy out of whack artistic miracles of delight might turn out super sharp perfect images accidentally and pique some interest from those who do prefer a more perfect capture.

Everyone to their own taste otherwise photography would be dull and boring.

My guess is that the Q will be a bit of a hit really and it is only it's price that will mean that any will never linger long in store showcases. I can see cries of merde! that the camera has been a failure because limited stocks are pre-sold before they ever get publicly shown and therefore "no-see it therefore it must be a disaster".

Samsung NX test marketed in relatively small numbers is hard to find but everyone who has one is delighted, yet because it is not obvious in shops some think it a marketing disaster. I think the Pentax Q will be in the same category.

Not going to be mass marketed until Pentax decides it is a goer.
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Tom Caldwell
 

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