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Faisalee
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It has a bigger sensor (same size as a DSLR with 1.5 crop factor) Which leads to much much less noise compared to any compact in the market leaving the M4/3s ofcourse 
I have one and I love it
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Faisal.
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I have one and I love it
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Faisal.
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Faisalee
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Well there is the kit lens 20-50mm, then there is the new 18-55 OIS iFunction Lens and the 30mm f2.0 lens and 50-200mm zoom.
Upcoming 16mm and the Ultimate Portrait 85mm f1.4 lens.
Other than the samsung lenses, adapters are available for Nikon, Minolta, Pentax, Canon etc. But no Auto focus ofcourse
Check this Wiki out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_NX_mount
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Faisal.
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Upcoming 16mm and the Ultimate Portrait 85mm f1.4 lens.
Other than the samsung lenses, adapters are available for Nikon, Minolta, Pentax, Canon etc. But no Auto focus ofcourse
Check this Wiki out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_NX_mount
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Faisal.
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Short answer:yes, nx100 is a good camera.
Long answer: it depends on what you what to use it for. For the moment there few lenses for the nx cameras and that limits what you can do. For example there is no macro lens yet, but is expected to come in a few months and won't be that cheap. So if you need to save money for the camera the macro lens will be even further ahead in time. You need to explain for us what you want to do and that you missing with the Fuji, so we can answer if it is a suitable camera for your need. All the the compact system cameras has their weakness and lacks some lenses as might be appreciated.
What is the point with a interchangeable lens camera if you only can afford the kit lens?
The Fuji lens on your camera is more versatile than the kit lens, but the 20-50 mm kit lens is good for what it is designed for, especially for the low price.
I don't have these zoom kit lenses. Only the 30 mm and the 50-200mm lenses.
But Samsung seem to have stopped all their lenses at 0.2 magnification. The sensor is 23.4 x 15.6mm. And the smallest item that fills the whole frame will be about 117x78mm (about 4x3 inches). If you want closer you have to crop the photo. The up coming 60mm lens is expected to have magnification 1:1. Then the smallest item that fills the frame will be 23.4 x 15.6mm.
The 20-50 mm lens will be a good lens to take photos of the family, the environment as we humans are in. It won't be able to take close up of a tiger at the zoo, but the tiger with his environment. You will no be able to take a close up of the pigeon on the roof but the roof with the pigeon. Nor will it take a close up of a beetle, but the leaf with the beetle.
It is a good all-round lens, but does not go nowhere near the extreme at all. It tries to focus to be sharp in the range as it is made for.
I bought Samsung nx10 because I liked the size and how I would control apertures etc. I like it much better that the Canon cameras I have had. But the Samsung lenses cannot beat my Canon L lenses as cost around $2000 each. The second reason I bought the NX10 was for the 30 mm lens. It is very good and not that far from the expensive Canon lenses in sharpness. It is significant better than Samsungs zoom lenses. The 30mm lens is very good for night time photography with its large aperture - and no zoom no matter brand can compete with the lens.
A nice feature is when you turn on manual focusing. When you focus the lens with the outer ring, you screen will enlarge the center, so you can focus easier. This is way better than most dslr do.
I believe the Samsung NX10 and NX100 with a 30mm lens is a very good learning tool to learn how to get in control of the camera to get the photos you want, but mean to step by step stop using auto programs and focusing. I believe it is better learning tool than Nikon and Canon.
Maybe it will not make your Fuji camera obsolete, but complement it. The Samsung cameras are cheaper than the competing brands. And if you find it too complicated you have limited your loss. If you find it to limited you will hopefully be able to buy the lens you want. Samsungs line of lenses is for the moment very limited (only Sony NEX has less lenses available), but the unofficial road map for coming lenses looks promising.
The market leaders in the mirrorless system cameras is Olympus and Panasonic. Their sensor is slightly smaller, but the difference today is not big. They have more lenses today, and some of these lenses are good, but many not. When I looked at them I did not find them as easy to use as the NX10.
New to the market is Sony NEX. They have the same size of the sensor as the Samsung. The Sony sensor is the best of them all, no question about it. But they have not design the cameras for those as want to learn photography, but for point and shoot users. I believe their name and the small size of the camera has attracted more users than the Samsung cameras. But the user interface in the current cameras is jut a pain and will warn you, you will not develop as a photographer. At the moment they have no good lenses that can meet the quality of their sensor or compete with Samsungs lenses, but might change in the future. I have not looked at their road map.
Sony has another serie of cameras with the alpha mount. Some of the entry level of these cameras has the features of both dslr and mirrorless cameras. When I looked at it two months ago, they lacked the zooming in feature as I mentioned above, but will most likely come in future models. To these lens mount there are lots of lenses and they can compete with Canon and Nikon lenses. They are lacking the 30mm lens, as make the Samsung good for evening and indoor photography.
So still I believe the Samsung is the best compromise for the moment, and especially if they come with the lenses as is on the road map and they are at least in the quality as the current lenses or better. But in the end it is depending on what kind of photography you want to do, if you are prepared to wait for more lenses or not, if you are prepared to buy more lenses at all, if you are prepared to carry several lenses with their increase of weight.
The difference of sensors on the system cameras are not that big, and the standard lenses are often that far from each other, all of the producers has a gem lens or two and it is not obvious which lens it is, for Samsung it is mainly the 30 mm lens. Panasonic has a similar lens as is also popular, but the Olympus similar lens is not close in sharpness, but they have just released a 12mm as looks like their gem lens.
I sometimes divide the dslrs users into two different groups. One as want to make good photos but only use auto modes and does not buy any more lenses than the kit lens, and they might be better of with a Samsung EX1 or Panasonic LX5. The other group is buying lens after lens, to get sharper and sharper lens, and more specialized lenses. Which one do you belong to? Can you afford to be long to the second group? Do you have many other hobbies so you can not work the photos often? These are questions as you have to ask yourself.
You are taking interesting and creative photos. You have come far with composition as often is the beginners problem.
Half of the photos you could take with the 30 mm lens.
Half of the photos are macro or at least closer than the Samsung lenses can do today, so you would need the macro lens as will cost more than the camera.
The small sensor like the Fuji, make is easy to get close up/macro with. A small sensor needs a wider lens as "normal lens". The side effect is that the depth of field increases, so not only you can get closer, as a few cm, but also more of the insect will be sharp. Like your dogs nose. The nose is sharp and the eyes might be almost sharp as well. If it had been taken by a full frame sensor camera or a Hasselblad only the nose would be sharp and the eyes would be unsharp. This makes the compact cameras better suited for macro than the system cameras. The back draw is that you have to very close to the subject and maybe scare it for or it will attack you depending on what it is.
The best option might be, as I mention before, that you keep the Fuji for close ups and use the Samsung 30mm for people and indoor. Regard it as you mentor.
Alternatively would be Panasonic LX5 or Samsung EX1. They have about the same aperture as the 30mm lens, but the benefit of a sensor in between the Fuji and NX. They would not be as good as mentors, but you can still work with the composition. Your are already working with your composition and that is the first learning step in photography.
When you learn photography it is rather good not to have a zoom lens. Fix a fixed lens, you have to move your self and look at the subject in many different angles and you learn the limits of the lens much better. By having both the 30 and the 60 mm lens you will easier notice that the out of focus get more blurred with the 60mm and so on. They will be much better mentors than having a lens that cover it all. The 60 mm lens is very good for close up, since it is a macro. It is also very good portrait lens since it has shallow depth of field. I got a wow experience when I used a shot tele the first time. They often make the macros as very sharp lenses and I expect Samsung to do that as well.
There are few as have Samsung NX in the shops. There can be several reasons for that. One is the camera might not be selling very well. Another reason could be that the rumor on the net is true - that a new version NX200 will be announced in July. That could explain why the price is so low. The price on NX11 is almost twice as the NX10 and NX100, at least where I live. If that is true the price of NX200 will be much more than NX100. The question is then if it worth it. The rumor is that the sensor will be better and 18mp. That it has more mp might be good, the more details will be possible to see, but it might also show the weaknesses of the lenses better.
The difference between NX10 and NX100 is not much. The main difference is the electronic view finder, EVF, at the NX 10. It is handy when it is bright daylight, and if it is dark and you want to be more discreet - the LED lit you up otherwise. The NX100 is smaller, lighter and more stylish. They are very similar in image quality and how to handle, so both can be recommended.
If Samsung follows the competition, the NX200 will be less easy to handle. They have been focusing on making it smaller and targeting for point and shoot users and not towards those as want to learn photography.
Nice images, really good. The macro ones you would not be able to do with the current NX OEM lenses. They do have a macro lens due out soon, but it's likely to be more expensive than (say) an LX5, and have a much shallower DOF at any given aperture value, and would be less versataile than a high end compact.
Always prefer the NX10 over the NX100 if you have a choice. I have both, the NX100 is not engineered to anywhere near the same level as the NX10, although it is still a nice cam, it's not "bullet proof" like the NX10.
The NX10 would be a very expensive camera if it wasn't samsung, it is built that strongly, and is obviously a low production run camera with tight tolerances and over engineered throughout it's entire build (buffer excepted).
unfortunately i can't afford the nx10 at the moment, i need it for when i go to france where i'm planning on taking loads of photos, is the kit 51mm lens good for taking shots of scenery and people, like a sort of mid-range lens?
thanks for all your help btw guys.
thanks for all your help btw guys.
The 20-50mm kit is a good lens, it folds up like the olympus m43 kit zoom. I use it all the time and really like it. At 20mm it's wide enough for scenery and scapes, and at 50mm it's getting towards portrait length. A good allround lens I'd say, and very compact for a zoom.
It isn't really that good for macro, it would be more suited to the sort of shots you take of the Marshalls I reckon. The NX 30mm is as good as plastic lenses get though IMO.
Michael Barker
Senior Member
The 30mm is a general purpose lens. Usable for most types of portraits ... for most types of pictures, actually. Does not do real macro.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/michaelbarkowski/sets/72157626671237011/
You can put a closeup filter on any lens for really closeup shots. It reduces the sharpness of the photo but it still might be as good as a P&S. The depth-of-field will be really small though.
For real macro the 60mm f2.8 will be the lens. It will be way more useful than a point and shoot camera's macro mode because you'll be able to shoot with the camera a decent distance from the subject.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/michaelbarkowski/sets/72157626671237011/
You can put a closeup filter on any lens for really closeup shots. It reduces the sharpness of the photo but it still might be as good as a P&S. The depth-of-field will be really small though.
For real macro the 60mm f2.8 will be the lens. It will be way more useful than a point and shoot camera's macro mode because you'll be able to shoot with the camera a decent distance from the subject.
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