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Yeah, big surprise there. Just wait until the X100 is out and this group is flooded with images. He'll be up night and day ripping them.
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Personal opinion follow:
I am not sure what people are looking for in a point and shoot camera, like the X100, these days. Is it perfection? Can any point and shoot camera/lens combination meet everyone's expectations, including price?
A better question would be how many of us can state truthfully that our camera gear is our single limitation to us creating world class images? That given the best possible camera gear that we would magically be able to create the best images the world has ever seen? Ignoring the fact that masters of the art who came before us by comparison had less than perfect camera gear yet surpass our best efforts.
Have we forgotten that cameras and lenses are mere tools?
In the hands of a craftsman with skill, knowledge, insight and imagination, truly wonderful images can result. Yet in the hands of a rank amateur, at best, only occasional good images can occur.
Most of us fall into the later category.
We look for magic bullets and blame our less than perfect camera gear as the reason our photography has not improved. We look for flaws int he gear and not in ourselves. We justify spending more on hardware that way. We look towards the next techno marvel to move us closer to our goals. We copy the works of others, but do not learn what it takes to become the best.
At some point a few of us wake up and see the pattern. Most of us do not.
Those who do start to see, they gain personal perspective, they take the time to learn what others do not, they keep an open ear and heart, and they start to slowly improve their vision and images towards their goals. In short, they develop themselves, they love it and seek not fame or glory or approval of others.
Since, it is not what is in front of the viewfinder that limits us, it is what is behind the viewfinder that limits our capability to see and produce consistently wonderful images.
Peace,
d2f
I am not sure what people are looking for in a point and shoot camera, like the X100, these days. Is it perfection? Can any point and shoot camera/lens combination meet everyone's expectations, including price?
A better question would be how many of us can state truthfully that our camera gear is our single limitation to us creating world class images? That given the best possible camera gear that we would magically be able to create the best images the world has ever seen? Ignoring the fact that masters of the art who came before us by comparison had less than perfect camera gear yet surpass our best efforts.
Have we forgotten that cameras and lenses are mere tools?
In the hands of a craftsman with skill, knowledge, insight and imagination, truly wonderful images can result. Yet in the hands of a rank amateur, at best, only occasional good images can occur.
Most of us fall into the later category.
We look for magic bullets and blame our less than perfect camera gear as the reason our photography has not improved. We look for flaws int he gear and not in ourselves. We justify spending more on hardware that way. We look towards the next techno marvel to move us closer to our goals. We copy the works of others, but do not learn what it takes to become the best.
At some point a few of us wake up and see the pattern. Most of us do not.
Those who do start to see, they gain personal perspective, they take the time to learn what others do not, they keep an open ear and heart, and they start to slowly improve their vision and images towards their goals. In short, they develop themselves, they love it and seek not fame or glory or approval of others.
Since, it is not what is in front of the viewfinder that limits us, it is what is behind the viewfinder that limits our capability to see and produce consistently wonderful images.
Peace,
d2f
Paulo Abreu
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... Not so fast Hawaiian Punch.
Ok, maybe you're not the most entusiastic about X-100 and I understand some of your observations, but wait for the next bunch of images before further conclusions.
I've seen some images a bit soft (wide open at f2.0???, sharpness OFF???, hands shake???) and some very sharp too.
I've seen flat B&W images (that are great for PP) and also terrific OOC B&W Jpgs. Actually, most people are positively impressed by X-100 B&W
Dynamic Range remains a big question mark. I'll wait to see...
High ISO noise. Looks promising ... anyway, don't expect it to be at D3 level, if its as good as Sony Nex-5 its ok for me ... just the expectation to shoot at f2.0 and Iso3200 freely and with a camera of that size, makes water grow on my mouth...
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Ok, maybe you're not the most entusiastic about X-100 and I understand some of your observations, but wait for the next bunch of images before further conclusions.
I've seen some images a bit soft (wide open at f2.0???, sharpness OFF???, hands shake???) and some very sharp too.
I've seen flat B&W images (that are great for PP) and also terrific OOC B&W Jpgs. Actually, most people are positively impressed by X-100 B&W
Dynamic Range remains a big question mark. I'll wait to see...
High ISO noise. Looks promising ... anyway, don't expect it to be at D3 level, if its as good as Sony Nex-5 its ok for me ... just the expectation to shoot at f2.0 and Iso3200 freely and with a camera of that size, makes water grow on my mouth...
Regards
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Swedish Hambern
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The only problem is the low contrast bokeh.. looks foggy... Too bad... otherwise it's a VERY good lens
I find it kinda neat. I bet it can be done in post processing though. Anyways, I will never know if I will like it in all situations without using it.
Jeff Charles
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In which of the photos do you see this?
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brudy
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Totally agree on all your points. I think the lens seems to be the limiting factor here. It's not delivering the depth/3d type images associated with some of the leica glass (even on the x1) or some the cv glass (like their m-mount 35/1.2). There does seem to be a softness as well (which may clean up fine, but who knows at this point). I'm still really interested in the camera though. I really want to like it.
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Faintandfuzzy
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Maybe I'm missing something, but I didn't see any full rez shots. I just see some small 800 or so pixel wide shots. How does one rate depth/3d look and softness based upon those; let alone compare it to a Voigtlander 35 f1.2 or other glass?
Were there full rez shots of these small ones that I missed?
dmartin92
Senior Member
Maybe his comments are based on a mixture of these shots and the full resolution ones from Fuji.
Actually, I'd like the see some of these in full resolution, because they do look like they might be sharp looking, in full resolution, if they were available, which apparently they aren't.
Even with my own cameras and DSLR lenses, sometimes the same lens seems sharp, other times, no.
One really needs to see lots of images to decide, and the level of sharpening is super important too.
I really don't think there are enough images publicly available at this point for anybody to even decide.
Hawaiian Punch
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I spent several minutes in specific, detailed critique and all you have to come back with is some imbicilic personal stab? Figures, If you can't keep up in a technical conversation...attack!
Hawaiian Punch
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Not if they're good. You see, unlike you, I didn't decide to love this camera before the release of both the camera itself (duh!) and images from it. The first images are less than impressive and I've mentioned how they fail for me in detail. I see no rebuttal to these points from any of the pre-release fanboys.
If future output proves this camera worthy, I'll be the first in line to say so. That's what differentiates someone like me from you, I'm willing to be proven wrong.
Hawaiian Punch
Senior Member
I'd be happier if it was up to the task of equaling the S3 in terms of dynamic range, color and sharpness. Maybe the X100 truely is a retro camera! One that goes backwards in technology.
acrystalball
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First, thank you Hawaiian P for you kind comments. I am very much an "art" photographer, but I do also shoot commercially from time to time. End of comments directed at Hawaiian P*
To all forum members:
Aside from the fixed lens issue, the x100 looks to be a very good camera for the kind of work that I do. I am really looking forward to its release and plan to be an early sucker adopter of this new Fuji curiousity. Fuji has never been a top player in the pro digital world, very much a niche company. For all of its weirdness I am glad. How boring if they simply cranked out a Nikon or Canon wanna-be?
I've been on this forum for a long time (maybe going on 5 years?) and the nice thing about this place is that it is tolerant of differing ability levels and professional opinions. Can we all be adults and keep it this way? It would be sad if this forum went the way of the Nikon forums, where I stopped visiting long ago due to the snarky comments and trolling.
Any professional photographer worth her salt knows that there is no one tool for every job. I would never take my S3 to shoot the action at a Lakers Game, for instance. Or shoot a ski resort travel ad with ANY 35mm dslr. I would, like my pro photog Fred, who works in a Nevada casino town, or my friend Ken Browar ( http://www.kenbrowar.com ), who shoots fashion ads for Moschino and the like, use a Hasselblad digital back for the rigorous commercial requirements of national print clients. Or have my D3s and 70-200 to capture Kobe making the lay-up.
The right tool for the right job, right? I don't see Fuji claiming anywhere that this new x100 is for commercial photographers working in the advertising industry. There are a lot of folks, like me, who would love a digital rangefinder that doesn't set us back $8Gs US. Fuji is planning on delivering one to us. I plan to make (and hopefully sell) a lot of work with this new tool. But only if it fits my NEEDS. If it doesn't, then I will stick with my film Leica M2 and my crazy sharp Leica glass.
For whatever reason Fuji has (at least in public) decided not pursue the S-R sensor of dynamic range fame anymore. Walter has explained many times here in this forum about how the cost of producing this type of chip far outweighs the benefit for Fuji as a viable company. So be it. This world by and large is capitalistic and Fuji has to swim like the rest of the businesses to compete. Dynamic range ain't everything, folks. Yes, its very nice, but I'm not going to forego a shot because the highlights might blow on my iphone 4 (and I'm going to be honest here and say that both the S3 and the S5 have been getting mighty dusty since I started using my iphone 4). I'm going to take the shot with the camera I have on hand; in my case, the smaller the camera the more likely I am to have it with me. Lets face it, not many folks like to have a D3 with a 70-200/2.8 lens in their personal body space, unless they are models or brides or the folks wielding the camera. Heh. But I can go ANYWHERE with my Leica M2 & 35mm summicron and no one has ever protested when I've snapped a pic. Powerful but innocuous looking. That's what I like and that's what I hope Fuji is delivering to me.
Although Fuji is "slow" and "odd" I find them to be boundary pushers. Just yesterday I saw an ad in NatGeo for some compact Nikon that claims to have the IQ of a dslr, that looks suspiciously crafted in response to Fuji's new strange camera. Like Walter (our wise sage!!!) has said, he loves to unload to a lighter camera for wedding reception shots. Wouldn't it be great if it was a tiny as a rangefinder? Too early to tell, but at least there is HOPE. The idea that a really light camera might keep Walter from needing back surgery in the not-too-distant future is wonderful.
Hey folks, Fuji is COMING OUT WITH (what they term) a HIGH END CAMERA! For that I am very excited. Another tool for my photo tool box. There are so many great tools available to we photographers today. I am SO GLAD that Fuji is paying attention to us non-mainstreamers for a change. It makes me all the more loyal to Fuji.
Best,
Crystal
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To all forum members:
Aside from the fixed lens issue, the x100 looks to be a very good camera for the kind of work that I do. I am really looking forward to its release and plan to be an early
I've been on this forum for a long time (maybe going on 5 years?) and the nice thing about this place is that it is tolerant of differing ability levels and professional opinions. Can we all be adults and keep it this way? It would be sad if this forum went the way of the Nikon forums, where I stopped visiting long ago due to the snarky comments and trolling.
Any professional photographer worth her salt knows that there is no one tool for every job. I would never take my S3 to shoot the action at a Lakers Game, for instance. Or shoot a ski resort travel ad with ANY 35mm dslr. I would, like my pro photog Fred, who works in a Nevada casino town, or my friend Ken Browar ( http://www.kenbrowar.com ), who shoots fashion ads for Moschino and the like, use a Hasselblad digital back for the rigorous commercial requirements of national print clients. Or have my D3s and 70-200 to capture Kobe making the lay-up.
The right tool for the right job, right? I don't see Fuji claiming anywhere that this new x100 is for commercial photographers working in the advertising industry. There are a lot of folks, like me, who would love a digital rangefinder that doesn't set us back $8Gs US. Fuji is planning on delivering one to us. I plan to make (and hopefully sell) a lot of work with this new tool. But only if it fits my NEEDS. If it doesn't, then I will stick with my film Leica M2 and my crazy sharp Leica glass.
For whatever reason Fuji has (at least in public) decided not pursue the S-R sensor of dynamic range fame anymore. Walter has explained many times here in this forum about how the cost of producing this type of chip far outweighs the benefit for Fuji as a viable company. So be it. This world by and large is capitalistic and Fuji has to swim like the rest of the businesses to compete. Dynamic range ain't everything, folks. Yes, its very nice, but I'm not going to forego a shot because the highlights might blow on my iphone 4 (and I'm going to be honest here and say that both the S3 and the S5 have been getting mighty dusty since I started using my iphone 4). I'm going to take the shot with the camera I have on hand; in my case, the smaller the camera the more likely I am to have it with me. Lets face it, not many folks like to have a D3 with a 70-200/2.8 lens in their personal body space, unless they are models or brides or the folks wielding the camera. Heh. But I can go ANYWHERE with my Leica M2 & 35mm summicron and no one has ever protested when I've snapped a pic. Powerful but innocuous looking. That's what I like and that's what I hope Fuji is delivering to me.
Although Fuji is "slow" and "odd" I find them to be boundary pushers. Just yesterday I saw an ad in NatGeo for some compact Nikon that claims to have the IQ of a dslr, that looks suspiciously crafted in response to Fuji's new strange camera. Like Walter (our wise sage!!!) has said, he loves to unload to a lighter camera for wedding reception shots. Wouldn't it be great if it was a tiny as a rangefinder? Too early to tell, but at least there is HOPE. The idea that a really light camera might keep Walter from needing back surgery in the not-too-distant future is wonderful.
Hey folks, Fuji is COMING OUT WITH (what they term) a HIGH END CAMERA! For that I am very excited. Another tool for my photo tool box. There are so many great tools available to we photographers today. I am SO GLAD that Fuji is paying attention to us non-mainstreamers for a change. It makes me all the more loyal to Fuji.
Best,
Crystal
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prentisd
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All true. Of course you have to have the camera with you to take even a mediocre photo.
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Hawaiian Punch
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I admit to beating a dead horse here in my comments. Everything you mention resonates with me as both a fine art photographer and commercial shooter. I am sorry to have belabored the forum as much as I did.
At first I was irritated that some seemed to be making an end run to capture a forum that up to that point in time functioned perfectly well as per its stated objective; IE: SLR talk. I was offended that some seemed to think that forum rules are meant to be broken, that a few individuals could force their views on the majority of faithful readers here. I for one wasn't about to let that happen, at least not without a fight. Without some order and organization on a site like this there is simply topic anarchy. When the anarchists began raving about a non-released camera in the wrong forum, well I just went sort of ballistic. Chalk it up to the nuns who taught me right from wrong in the 1950s...
But its all a moot point now as DPR has changed the name of the forum to allow a non-SLR talk here. That's fine with me as I am someone who abides by the rules, even new rules I don't appreciate.
I honestly hope the X100 lives up to the hopes and dreams of its enthusiasts. I hope to see better images from it soon and perhaps more dialogue that's factual and interesting.
At first I was irritated that some seemed to be making an end run to capture a forum that up to that point in time functioned perfectly well as per its stated objective; IE: SLR talk. I was offended that some seemed to think that forum rules are meant to be broken, that a few individuals could force their views on the majority of faithful readers here. I for one wasn't about to let that happen, at least not without a fight. Without some order and organization on a site like this there is simply topic anarchy. When the anarchists began raving about a non-released camera in the wrong forum, well I just went sort of ballistic. Chalk it up to the nuns who taught me right from wrong in the 1950s...
But its all a moot point now as DPR has changed the name of the forum to allow a non-SLR talk here. That's fine with me as I am someone who abides by the rules, even new rules I don't appreciate.
I honestly hope the X100 lives up to the hopes and dreams of its enthusiasts. I hope to see better images from it soon and perhaps more dialogue that's factual and interesting.
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These... Almost look like steam, mist or some kind of smoke. To bad on an otherwise terrific lens.
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