Thickness of Canson Infinity Paper

[Miralee]

Could anyone please tell me where I can find the thickness in millimetres of Canson Infinity paper. Canson doesn't seem to know/give this information, which I need for my HP Printer. I wrote to them and they never answered.

Example : I have a sheet of Canson BFK Rives 310 g/m2. I have noticed that the g/m2 of a paper often has no relation to its thickness in millimetres.

Thanks for any help.

 

[Howard Moftich]

310 will be a pretty thick paper so I'd suggest 0.4mm (most regular papers are around 0.3)

 

[Hugowolf]

If it is mould made, then it will vary. The sample I have seems to be about the same as Hahnemuhle German Etching (310), which is 0.5 mm.

Brian A

 

[Roderick Balle]

Epson printers can print a thickness pattern, allowing you to determine the thickness of media. HP possibly have a similar utility?

I'm surprised a top shelf paper company like Canson don't publish the specs of their media.

 

[Miralee]

Thank you all (the three answers received) but none of them have solved my problem.

my printer accepts up to O,7mm thickness and doesn't help otherwise with thickness information. It refuses the Canson Infinity BFK Rives 310g/m2.

I agree - It is hard to believe and extremely irritating that Canson doesn't give this information. (Or am I wrong and they do? If so, where?)

Hahnemühle gives loads of info re thickness etc.

Canson's Rag Photographique, BFK Rives, Edition Etching are all 310 g/m2 but each seems to be of a different thickness to the touch.

I'm just hoping that someone will read this and know how one can get this info...

Have a good day!

 

[Howard Moftich]

get yourself a digital caliper like this and measure the paper thickness yourself......

http://www.amazon.com/Neiko-Stainless-Digital-Caliper-Extra-Large/dp/B000GSLKIW

(there are zillions of other similar cheap calipers available)

 

[Zone8]

You did mention which HP printer make/model but on my Epson 1400, in the Properties - Maintenance area is an option to click on Printer & Option button, then to select to set printer to use thicker material. It works fine with Canson Montval and Basik 370gsm watercolour papers which are surely thicker than your 310gsm material.

Other Epson models may well have this facility but as said, you have an HP so you will have to check yourself to see if such an adjustment is possible. On some HP models, the paper path is almost of contortionist proportions and even thinner photo glossy paper gets misaligned during the feed process. My office HP all-in-one certainly does not have any thinkness adjustment facility but that is a basic office-type machine and photo ones could be better served.

A number of Epsons have a lever to increase gap between printhead and paper to do the same adjustment but mechanically. Try the HP website for an online pdf format manual for you specific printer as that could throw up some help. Otherwise try one of the printer help websites where you can post a help message, like:

http://www.fixyourownprinter.com/

The HP Photosmart Pro B9180 Photo Printer can handle paper up to 1.5mm thick but cannot help more than the above suggestions.

Zone8

The photograph isolates and perpetuates a moment of time: an important and revealing moment, or an unimportant and meaningless one, depending upon the photographer's understanding of his subject and mastery of his process. -Edward Weston
http://www.photosnowdonia.co.uk/ZPS
LINK: For B+W with Epson 1400 using black ink only:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1003&message=33148491&q=zone8+1400+b+w+plain&qf=m

 

[Hugowolf]

… it is 0.5 mm. That is using an old style, non-digital gauge. And I know that these are meant to be digital forums, but analog is all I have in this regard.

I was concerned that the pressure of the caliper legs on the somewhat compressible medium might cause inaccuracies, but when measured with the same device, Hahnemühle German Etching measures 0.5 mm and Hahnemühle Museum Etching 0.6 mm, which corresponds with Hahnemühle’s own data sheets for these papers.

Brian A

Thank you all (the three answers received) but none of them have solved my problem.

my printer accepts up to O,7mm thickness and doesn't help otherwise with thickness information. It refuses the Canson Infinity BFK Rives 310g/m2.

I agree - It is hard to believe and extremely irritating that Canson doesn't give this information. (Or am I wrong and they do? If so, where?)

Hahnemühle gives loads of info re thickness etc.

Canson's Rag Photographique, BFK Rives, Edition Etching are all 310 g/m2 but each seems to be of a different thickness to the touch.

I'm just hoping that someone will read this and know how one can get this info...

Have a good day!

 

[Miralee]

Hi

I am not in the USA and cannot get the Digital Caliper where I am. Anway, regardless of the measure the caliper would have given, my B8850 still wouldn't have accepted the Canson Infinity BFK Rives 310g/m2.

As I said, the printer information is that it accepts up to 0,7 mm only so the Epson info, although interesting is not of any help.

Brian A writes : "it is 0.5 mm." I suppose you are referring to the BFK Rives 310g/m2. So why won't my printer, which takes paper up to O.7 mm, accept it.

Because of this problem and because I am furious and/or irritated (depending upon the time of the day) with Canson, I think I'm going to stick to beautiful Hahnemühle paper,al though it is more difficult to buy than Canson where I am.

To be fair (though that would be just as irritating) it is possible that my HP B8850 doesn't like Canson paper. This printer prints well enough but is very stubborn and temperamental and obeys no one but itself!

 

[Anthony.Ralph]

Hi

I am not in the USA and cannot get the Digital Caliper where I am.

[..]

Voila!

http://www.amazon.fr/s/qid=1296336565/ref=sr_gnr_fkmr0?ie=UTF8&node=&search-alias=aps&field-keywords=Pied%20%C3%A0%20coulisse

Anthony (in the UK)

 

[Hugowolf]

I don’t know why you are so angry with Canson, when clearly your printer is to blame. So what difference would it make if Canson stated it was 0.5 mm? Your printer still wouldn’t accept it.

Brian A

 

[Scanninglab]

I wrote to them, too, and they answered within 2 hours. BFK Rives 310 is 20,19 Mil and 513u.

Please let me know if you need any of the other papers. My favourite is Edition 310. That is 18,85Mil and 479u.
--
Rune Stenseth

 

[Miralee]

You wrote : I wrote to them, too, and they answered within 2 hours. BFK Rives 310 is 20,19 Mil and 513u.

Please let me know if you need any of the other papers. My favourite is Edition 310. That is 18,85Mil and 479u.

Oh THANK YOU !

The Canson Infinity papers that I'm interested in for the moment are the five below and the BFK Rives. I don't know Edition 310 and it isn't in the trial pack that I have.

Arches Aquarelle Rag 240 g/m2
Arches Aquarelle Rag 310 g/m2
Edition Etching 310 g/m2
Rag Photographique 310 g/m2
Montval Aquarelle 310 g/m2

Today the printer printed nicely on the Arches 240 g/m2 above, so it does accept some Canson papers.

It would seem logical that all the 310 g/m2 papers above are all of the same Mil and u, yes? but they seem to vary in thickness, to the touch?
What does u stand for please?

As 20.19 Mil for the BFK Rives (your information) is = 0.512826 mm and my printer takes up to 0.7 mm, it's hard to see why it won't print on the BFK Reeves. Could it be something to do with the grain, or something?
And what does u stand for please?

Thanks again.

p.s. So it would seem that the Canson information isn't public and that one has to write to them, as you did. Odd, don't you think?

 

[Miralee]

Thanks for answering with the Amazon link. I'd appreciate it if you could tell me which of the thirteen or so pieds à coulisse in the link is/are the best as I have never seen/used one in my life).

In this link they sell digital ones.
http://fr.shopping.com/pied-a-coulisse-roch/produits

Is this object useful for anything else part from measuring paper, I wonder?

 

[Miralee]

Hi,

You write I don’t know why you are so angry with Canson, when clearly your printer is to blame. So what difference would it make if Canson stated it was 0.5 mm? Your printer still wouldn’t accept it.
Brian A

I have read your message a few times (which I like very much by the way because I find it interesting in various ways).

Suffice it to say for the moment that even if my printer were to blame, that wouldn't make it less irritating that Canson does not give this information.

We also often get irritated/angry/upset etc about things that do not concern ourselves personally.

 

[Anthony.Ralph]

Thanks for answering with the Amazon link. I'd appreciate it if you could tell me which of the thirteen or so pieds à coulisse in the link is/are the best as I have never seen/used one in my life).

In this link they sell digital ones.
http://fr.shopping.com/pied-a-coulisse-roch/produits

Is this object useful for anything else part from measuring paper, I wonder?

This is a standard tool in engineering and other disciplines for measuring accurately. For the paper thickness project, I would buy the cheapest - I saw this one on the page you mentioned...

Pied À Coulisse Digital Caliper Ecran Lcd Neuf... 15,90 €

That should do nicely.

Anthony.

 

[Hugowolf]

What does u stand for please?

It stands for the Greek letter μ (mu) as in μm (micrometre). So 513 μm is equal to 0.513 mm.

Brian A

 

[Scanninglab]

There is indeed difference in thickness between the various 310gr/m2 papers, Rag Photographique is for example Edition which has been flattened.

Arches Aquarelle Rag 240 g/m2 = 18,42Mil, 468u
Arches Aquarelle Rag 310 g/m2 = 23,38mil, 594u
Edition Etching 310 g/m2= 18,65Mil, 479u
Rag Photographique 310 g/m2 = 18,34Mil, 466u
Montval Aquarelle 310 g/m2 1 = 19,52Mil, 496u

I see no good reason why your printer should not print on any of the Canson Infinity papers, I have found that the very best range of all, superb black, and very nice caracter in the details, looks like their coating on top of the traditional high-class art papers works much better than any of the ordinary photo papers I have investigated.

My recomandation is to try Edition first for all you needs, BFK Rives is best for Gicklèe, and off course Montval for Aquarels. Photosatin 270 is nice for posters, and for some black/white printing many prefer Baryta, but I think it looks better on Edition.

I make my own media settings for each paper for the printer, and off course I make ICC profiles for each combination printer/paper. If you have one of those new 12 colour printers, use natural grey and chromatic when you define you ICC profile, and use Highest - fine precision photographs. That gives about 10% larger colour space.

--
Rune Stenseth

 

[Miralee]

Thanks to everyone and especially for the Canson paper information.

Canson does not give profiles for the HP Photosmart Pro B8800 Series printers (mine is HP 8850). They only give profiles for the HP 9180, so I am experimenting without Canson profiles.

I don't find my HP very helpful when it comes to choosing a setting for the different papers: I have to choose from the following.
(I have tried to translate the ones I find difficult to choose from):

Papier photo rag = rag photo paper
Papier photo chiffon fin = fine linen/rag (?) photo paper
Glacé satiné
Papier photo de chiffon = linen/rag (?) photo paper
Photo
Papier jet d'Encre couché
Papier photo épais = thick photo paper
Brochure
Papier pour Aquarelle = paper for watercolour
Papier pour Toile

How can one decide if one should choose fine linen rag, linen rag, or just rag?

Montval Aquarelle seems to print better on rag photo paper than on Watercolour paper...which is very confusing of course.

As I say for the moment I'm spending a lot of time (and paper) experimenting. I'd be happy to have any ideas on the subject...

 

[Paul Spatafora]

Thanks to everyone and especially for the Canson paper information.

Canson does not give profiles for the HP Photosmart Pro B8800 Series printers (mine is HP 8850). They only give profiles for the HP 9180, so I am experimenting without Canson profiles.

I don't find my HP very helpful when it comes to choosing a setting for the different papers: I have to choose from the following.
(I have tried to translate the ones I find difficult to choose from):

Papier photo rag = rag photo paper
Papier photo chiffon fin = fine linen/rag (?) photo paper
Glacé satiné
Papier photo de chiffon = linen/rag (?) photo paper
Photo
Papier jet d'Encre couché
Papier photo épais = thick photo paper
Brochure
Papier pour Aquarelle = paper for watercolour
Papier pour Toile

How can one decide if one should choose fine linen rag, linen rag, or just rag?

Montval Aquarelle seems to print better on rag photo paper than on Watercolour paper...which is very confusing of course.

As I say for the moment I'm spending a lot of time (and paper) experimenting. I'd be happy to have any ideas on the subject...

That is a very expensive experiment. Which paper are we talking about? The Infinity line has several papers to choose from. Your best best is to get that paper professionally profiled or you will be going around in circles. There are several good people that do it, so I would find someone that can help you out in your area. Check this website out for more info.

http://www2.chromix.com/colorthink/index.cxsa

Once we know the paper type, then you'll get a more straight forward answer on the printer settings. I don't know anything about HP but I would suspect that if it's a glossy finish I would use glossy as a starting point in the settings and if it's a matt finish you would use that.

Paul