24MP D800x Needed, sorry :)

[hybris999]

hai hawaii

i see the same thing here in dk , ung pros using cheap canon megapixels and video.
when one start with a system, one wil stick with it.
nikon is missing the bus here

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[Gearsau]

"on a 24mp (large file) ... a DX crop with 12mp and 8fps is more than good for me.
... if 8fps on the full 24mp is toooo much for a 2011 D800x. "

Do you really know WHAT you want ? One moment you need 24 MP, then you state that 12MP is good enough.
Why not go out, buy, a D3S and you have 12 MP, 9 FPS, and a PRO CAMERA...NOW.

Not a toy like the Canon 5D MKII with its 3.9 FPS.

Make up your mind.

Regards Peter

 

[voider]

The first shot is amazing. One of the best bike shots I have ever seen. You can feel the energy when looking at it. I also really like that you can see the eyes of the rider. Great Job!
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[Gearsau]

The first shot is amazing. One of the best bike shots I have ever seen. You can feel the energy when looking at it. I also really like that you can see the eyes of the rider. Great Job!
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Thanks for much for the compliment..

It was really windy , rainy and unpleasant when I was up at that spot. I used 800 ISO on the D3, because I was having problems with the wind blowing the 500mm lens around. Needed to keep the shutter speeds up etc.

Here is the original, and also a couple of similar shots taken 12 months previously. The older photos were taken with the 500mm lens and TC14E. I only hand hold the lens as well, as I find a mono pod hinders my panning.
All the best
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[Hawaii-geek]

Gearsau,
Balance of having both 24mp and Performance at 12mp and reach

I have been very clear about what I want/need. To make me move on a Upgrade.

First, the D700 performace is what I need, and use most often.

I already own two(2) which I love ... so, it's going to take a lot to move me away from that body.
For most of what I do, it "already" works for me.
Think I have been consistant and very clear on this.
I clearly can wait ... and when I need 24mp , I can rent.

• So, now ... we are talking about what would make me move to a D800.

Well, 18mp and two stops of ISO will not do it.
Because the D700 is "already" working for me , for what I do.

BUT, if I can "maintain" my D700 performance "AT 12mp" ... say 8fps.
Have ISO/DR performace at D700 or better.

Add, 24mp at 5fps (just trying to be Real , and it be something that Nikon has already done in 2008 with the D3x)

• ADD 100% VF and two card slots , probably a given at this point.
• All of this is with Tech, Nikon has probably had since 2009.

and the Timing is right ... two years ... to roll down the Tech to a D800x.
(simular to the D3 to D700 roll down)

Now, "that" would be something I would upgrade for.

Not to print larger ... or bump my ISO any higher than what I do on the D700 ... but to ADD flexablity/Options ... with Long lens and crops.
Is is comming from what I have experianced this past week or so ... thread here:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=37255320

It was interesting what other Full Time PROs was doing with the Cannon 5D mkII and long lens ... it was not what I thought. and had changed my mind on what would be "my" next upgrade.
"Your" mileage might vary ...

Even when I can get close to the action ... with my fav 70-200 f2.8 VRII ... sometimes the situation leaves me a little short ... and it would be nice to be able to crop in and "still" have 12mp for a Mag full page print.

The NEED for 24mp is not very often ... but when you do ... it would be great to be able to just Turn it on , on demand. and it be on the body you have "with" you.

Now, a year from now ... we will need to read this thread again.
And see what Nikon does.
My guess is a D800x at 24mp.
Also, a D800s at 16.2 or close to it.

But, for me ... the choice would be the D800x (if it has the D700 speed/AF/ISO) ... even if the D800s has two stops more ISO vs a D800x.

HG

"on a 24mp (large file) ... a DX crop with 12mp and 8fps is more than good for me.
... if 8fps on the full 24mp is toooo much for a 2011 D800x. "

Do you really know WHAT you want ? One moment you need 24 MP, then you state that 12MP is good enough.
Why not go out, buy, a D3S and you have 12 MP, 9 FPS, and a PRO CAMERA...NOW.

Not a toy like the Canon 5D MKII with its 3.9 FPS.

Make up your mind.

Regards Peter

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[Gearsau]

H-G

I think you need to invest in longer lenses.

I, too, have the NIKON 70-200mm lens,and I use it both on D2Xs and sometimes D3, but, to get close ups , with out heavily cropping, I suggest that you think about this .

That second photo is a bit out of date, as I added a D3, Nikon 14-24 and SB900 to the collection after that photo was taken

With those lenses and TCs, I am covered.









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[Tony Beach]

Any of the following would get my business...

18MP, D3s ISO performance, Dynamic Rang better than current D3X.

24MP, D3/D700 ISO performance, D3X or better Dynamic Range.

Either of those configs would get my wallet open.

If that doesn't happen, then D7000 for me.

What about a D7000 sensor upscaled to FX/135 format? Given that the technology to do that is already in place, that would be a logical step forward from the D3x/A900/A850 sensors.

 

[clager]

Yes I find it extremly funny, here is yet another thread wishing for a D800 with 24MP, etc, when in a thread below, everyone is saying its enough with 12MP and the D700.
and the ones saying it are almost prepared to kill for their 12MP.

 

[Waldo_O]

Popcorn anyone?

 

[Rick Knepper]

Since Nikon through the D3x can already do 5 fps at 24 MP, I figured you meant jumping to 8 fps at full FX. A camera with everything the same as the D700 except with a 24 MP would be D700x am I right? which I would be up for. Not totally familar with Nikon's behavior yet.

Until proven otherwise, I believe the Canon & Nikon flagship camera price point is unsustainable and has to fall now that MF prices have cracked the 10k barrier. If the D3x had come to market at $5000 or $6000 and took its rightful place alongside the D3s (pricewise), I wouldn't even be involved in these D800 threads.

imho, at 24mp ... all Nikon has to do is match the D700 performace in SPEED and ISO... (hopefully tweak a bit)
With say 5fps 24mp ... and 8fps in DX with Grip.

All within what Nikon already knows how to do. even back in 2008 when the D3x was shipped.

Now we are talking 2011 ship ... and probably the right time for the D700 upgrade. to a D800 at 24mp.

and it seems to me a D700s with two stops more ISO will not be enough.
and with the D7000 at 16.2 ... is 16.2 really enough? for a 2011 D800
Will that move the market in these times?

HG

However, I don't think any manuafacture has yet cracked the bus speed needed (or whatever they call it in the digital sensor industry) to move 24 MP from sensor to buffer faster than 5 fps. You may have a longer wait than you think if faster writes are your manin criteria.

In the meantime, I truly hope Nikon recognizes the need for a 5D mkII/A900 competitor.

I am "sure" this has been discussed many times in the past.
In fact I have avoided the more MP , D800x threads in general.

Yes, most of my work can do with a D700 (own two).

But after a recent Surf experiance ... looking around at what some of the Surf PRO's are using now, relative to "before" ... I am starting to evolve on what would motivate me to buy an Upgrade to my workhorse D700's.

A real honest aprasial of what would motivate me to upgrade a already great/classic camera would ONLY be a D800x with 24MP and ISO as good as my D700 or better. and here is where I think even Cannon MarkII PRO users would switch for , SPEED !

IF, a new D800x with 24MP (D700 ISO or better) , AND performance (SPEED) of a D700 (note AF is CRITICAL) ... (with two Card slots, 100% VF) ... at this point it would be a no brainer upgrade.

and imho, is a feature set that could motivate quite a few PRO D700 users to upgrade.
Even if, only to help them on Long Lens.

Just my current feelings on this ... (and it "has" changed)

HG

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[Rick Knepper]

However, I don't think any manuafacture has yet cracked the bus speed needed (or whatever they call it in the digital sensor industry) to move 24 MP from sensor to buffer faster than 5 fps. You may have a longer wait than you think if faster writes are your manin criteria.

Canon was doing 16MP at 10 fps. That's no more bandwidth that 24MP at 6.67 fps. By mid 2011, 24MP at 8 fps should not be unreasonable.

In a sub-$3000 cam? Believe me, I hope so.

I also hope Canon & Nikon will not continue to stick the public with the $8000 MSRP price tag.

 

[clager]

Quite true Steve, on the other hand Ive got a friend using HD4, etc, he is one of the worlds leading car-advertising photographers, he makes around 700K per year not to speak of Demarchelier and Lindberg who gets 35K/ per day.

I mean there are alwways these examples you know, the world-famous guy walking around with an "instamatic" and the show-off-nobody, with all the gear, selling for 100 bucks.

Yes, we know its not the equipment ( same old story) BUT, as Bruce-Webber once said: It does help.

best and season greetings

 

[Steve Bingham]

I am wondering why not the D3s? It seems like having a machine gun with enough shutter speed would be a natural with your surg shots. It's the camera for sports shooters - unless you are breaking into fashion. It's a tool, and if you need it, you need it. My first DSLR was an Olympus E-10 . . . which defined slooooowwww.

If you have 3-6 big clients, and you are their go-to-guy, big bucks are possible. I got my just fine with less than six . . . got started with just ONE.

I don't disagree.
fyi: you are talking to an old OLY user lol.
That was the forum mantra ... it's not the camera, it's the shooter.

But, trust me ... when you need CAF for Action , and you better get the AF on the "moment" ... and you get paid by the shoot you "get".
I have learned Nikon CAF matters!
Yes, it's a TOOL , and it HELPs
It just make the job "easier" ... and that's all we want ...
Something that is not fighting us. and working with us, for a mutual goal.

and I totally agree ... great lighting (and talent) can make any camera look good.

• and it "does" help if you already have a reputation. "Brand"

p.s. imho, if you love photography ... forums like this , are fun and every once and a while there is a gem of information. Even if it is about some gear that makes things easier or better.

I rather be here, instead of Facebook LOL

Have a Happy New Year !
HG

One of my best friends is using my old D2x and his new D7000 . . . and get this . . . he makes over $100,000 (part time) a year always has - 20 years worth. Just signed another 60k contract starting January - and THEY fly him to New York. Used to shoot 100% Hassy or 4x5 in the film days. No more. You see, his clients LOVE his stuff. It might have a lot to do with his skills, talent, experience, imagination, TRUNKS full of lights, stands, and a reputation for always delivering - always. Even when 4 trunks worth of photo gear were lost by the airlines (he rented more). You see a camera is maybe 10% - the other 90% is what counts.

I have another friend with a D3x and $6,000 worth of glass. Sold a photo last year for $100. He was so proud. Calls himself a pro!!!!!!!

My arms are getting tired from beating this same drum, but photography is a skill sport - or a damn demanding profession. The camera, or lens, doesn't mean a rats a$$.

Even with over 50 years worth of pro experience and a MS in photography I doubt I will ever max out the lowly D7000. Why? Lots of young bucks out there that are sacrificing every minute of their time SHOOTING, learning, shooting some more, learning more, etc. I doubt you will find many on this forum . . . way too busy being a photographer. Me, I am very comfortably retired!

With that, Let me wish one and all a very Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, and a great new year.
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[SUPERHOKIE]

I want a 768 MP FX so that you can crop a 50mm 1.8 on it and still have a 400mm 12MP DX image. Or put a 35F2 on it and have a 280mm 12MP DX image. Along with that, I'd also like a Los Alamos national labatory's Cray II super computer to process the files.

 

[Hawaii-geek]

Rick,
Canon 5D mkII 2009 21mp , $2,500 aprox

The Nikon D3x will be well over 2 years old by the time any D800x gets shiped in quantity. (and we all know, how good it is with reveiws and user feedback)

Since Nikon through the D3x can already do 5 fps at 24 MP, I figured you meant jumping to 8 fps at full FX. A camera with everything the same as the D700 except with a 24 MP would be D700x am I right? which I would be up for. Not totally familar with Nikon's behavior yet.

Yep, I think what they will call it is a D800x ... will probaby be 24mp and 5fps, and what they can probably do now without any effort is a DX crop at 8fps.

In fact, I think it would be safe to say ... Nikon (with it's current D7000 14-bit processing) could probably now do 24mp at 14-bit at 5fps.
All you have to do is look at the movement on tech just on the shipping D7000.

A New PRO body D800x needs to be able to at least do that 24m 14-bit 5fps.and who knows ... a full 24mp at 14-bit at 8fps with grip might also be possable by 2011 ship.

The 5D mkII killer price for Nikon on this? imho, us$2,800 / us$2,500 street.

Until proven otherwise, I believe the Canon & Nikon flagship camera price point is unsustainable and has to fall now that MF prices have cracked the 10k barrier. If the D3x had come to market at $5000 or $6000 and took its rightful place alongside the D3s (pricewise), I wouldn't even be involved in these D800 threads.

I am with "you" !

and also, take into account Canons Free run at 21mp on the 5D mkII for 2 years at us$2,500 is just too long without a Nikon answer. * with Faster Performance of course!

It's that same battle of Canon 5D vs Nikon D700 ... and I think Nikon did pretty well on that one. Even with a drop in there price just a short while after the D3 shipped.

Right now, I see a lot of 5D mkII on the store shelfs , and few Nikon D700.
the D700 is showing it's "Retail" age.

Don't get me wrong ... my D700 "still" does everything I need.
But, the point is ... * What will make people BUY !
and the D700/ 5D mkII users Upgrade ?

D800x at 24mp
and probably a D800s at 16.2mp or 18mp.

HG

imho, at 24mp ... all Nikon has to do is match the D700 performace in SPEED and ISO... (hopefully tweak a bit)
With say 5fps 24mp ... and 8fps in DX with Grip.

All within what Nikon already knows how to do. even back in 2008 when the D3x was shipped.

Now we are talking 2011 ship ... and probably the right time for the D700 upgrade. to a D800 at 24mp.

and it seems to me a D700s with two stops more ISO will not be enough.
and with the D7000 at 16.2 ... is 16.2 really enough? for a 2011 D800
Will that move the market in these times?

HG

However, I don't think any manuafacture has yet cracked the bus speed needed (or whatever they call it in the digital sensor industry) to move 24 MP from sensor to buffer faster than 5 fps. You may have a longer wait than you think if faster writes are your manin criteria.

In the meantime, I truly hope Nikon recognizes the need for a 5D mkII/A900 competitor.

I am "sure" this has been discussed many times in the past.
In fact I have avoided the more MP , D800x threads in general.

Yes, most of my work can do with a D700 (own two).

But after a recent Surf experiance ... looking around at what some of the Surf PRO's are using now, relative to "before" ... I am starting to evolve on what would motivate me to buy an Upgrade to my workhorse D700's.

A real honest aprasial of what would motivate me to upgrade a already great/classic camera would ONLY be a D800x with 24MP and ISO as good as my D700 or better. and here is where I think even Cannon MarkII PRO users would switch for , SPEED !

IF, a new D800x with 24MP (D700 ISO or better) , AND performance (SPEED) of a D700 (note AF is CRITICAL) ... (with two Card slots, 100% VF) ... at this point it would be a no brainer upgrade.

and imho, is a feature set that could motivate quite a few PRO D700 users to upgrade.
Even if, only to help them on Long Lens.

Just my current feelings on this ... (and it "has" changed)

HG

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[Hawaii-geek]

I am wondering why not the D3s? It seems like having a machine gun with enough shutter speed would be a natural with your surg shots. It's the camera for sports shooters - unless you are breaking into fashion.

• Hmmm, anyone that does some AD shoots ... in the back of there mind ... has got to be thinking, how cool it would be to do Fashion. and how you could totally do that job LOL.

But, a D800x is not about Rez or Print size ... it's about REACH with long lens. and making the most of the lens you own or rent. or at least haveing a few more options.

Like a crop in or a different crop, and still maintain enough for a Full page mag print.

It's a tool, and if you need it, you need it. My first DSLR was an Olympus E-10 . . . which defined slooooowwww.

The D3s is a great tool.
Would love to own one.
It's a natural for Surf , if you have the 600mm f4 ... I do not

Here's the thing, even if I owned a 600mm I would "Still" want 24mm for the Crop in.

But, here is another practical problem ... when you are "caught" somewhere ... even on a job ... with a lens that is just a little short. Flicking on 24mp , with Nikon performance can be a life saver .

This is just a side note ... during a Day sports shoot (let's just say ... Kona Ironman World Championships)
I shot next to a D3x shooter (me, with D700 with grip and 70-200 f2.8 VRII)
Will only just say this, I had NO camera envy, none.
Felt no motivation that a upgrade was nessasary to keep up.

Two stops of ISO performance is NOT enough for the Cost of that upgrade, for what I do. Other's mileage might vary.

If you have 3-6 big clients, and you are their go-to-guy, big bucks are possible. I got my just fine with less than six . . . got started with just ONE.

We agree on this as well.

and yes, my break was basically with "just" one. and from there everything else branches out.

Now, if you are Super Happy with the D700 performance. and it works for almost all of your jobs. as it does for Me.

Does a D3x or a D3s really add anything? ... when you can just Rent. and match the job with the cost.

Now, a D800x at 24mp ... "IF" it gives me the same thing my D700 does (performance/ISO) ... for aprox us$2,500 street (B&H) us$3,000 on the first ship ... Wow, that could move me.

I would have to do the "Happy Dance" !

HG

I don't disagree.
fyi: you are talking to an old OLY user lol.
That was the forum mantra ... it's not the camera, it's the shooter.

But, trust me ... when you need CAF for Action , and you better get the AF on the "moment" ... and you get paid by the shoot you "get".
I have learned Nikon CAF matters!
Yes, it's a TOOL , and it HELPs
It just make the job "easier" ... and that's all we want ...
Something that is not fighting us. and working with us, for a mutual goal.

and I totally agree ... great lighting (and talent) can make any camera look good.

• and it "does" help if you already have a reputation. "Brand"

p.s. imho, if you love photography ... forums like this , are fun and every once and a while there is a gem of information. Even if it is about some gear that makes things easier or better.

I rather be here, instead of Facebook LOL

Have a Happy New Year !
HG

One of my best friends is using my old D2x and his new D7000 . . . and get this . . . he makes over $100,000 (part time) a year always has - 20 years worth. Just signed another 60k contract starting January - and THEY fly him to New York. Used to shoot 100% Hassy or 4x5 in the film days. No more. You see, his clients LOVE his stuff. It might have a lot to do with his skills, talent, experience, imagination, TRUNKS full of lights, stands, and a reputation for always delivering - always. Even when 4 trunks worth of photo gear were lost by the airlines (he rented more). You see a camera is maybe 10% - the other 90% is what counts.

I have another friend with a D3x and $6,000 worth of glass. Sold a photo last year for $100. He was so proud. Calls himself a pro!!!!!!!

My arms are getting tired from beating this same drum, but photography is a skill sport - or a damn demanding profession. The camera, or lens, doesn't mean a rats a$$.

Even with over 50 years worth of pro experience and a MS in photography I doubt I will ever max out the lowly D7000. Why? Lots of young bucks out there that are sacrificing every minute of their time SHOOTING, learning, shooting some more, learning more, etc. I doubt you will find many on this forum . . . way too busy being a photographer. Me, I am very comfortably retired!

With that, Let me wish one and all a very Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, and a great new year.
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http://www.ghost-town-photography.com

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http://www.ghost-town-photography.com

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[Hawaii-geek]

Superhokie,

Think about the original Cray ... and how a select few might have as much power sitting on there desktop right now.

I know for myself ... what's sitting on my desk , and what I am using as my laptop ... I would have not dreamed of owning ... just a few years ago.
In fact my Laptop is faster than a "workstation" I once used.

• anything taken to the extreme ... can be made to sound silly.

But, a 24mp D800x at 5fps 14-bit , and a 8fps with grip on a DX crop is NOT a dream that cannot happen soon. (and I would not be surprised if Nikon has the tech for 24mp at 8fps in 2011)

When you factor in 2 years old tech in the D3x which is about time for it to be rolled down ... and what we already know about the D7000 16.2 14-bit performance (speed) from the "upper entry-level D90 kinda replacement"

imho, the specs are realistic. and within Nikons History of roll downs.

then, add in the fact that Canon has run free for two years with it's 21mp $2,500 5D mk II (thinking a 2011 ship on any kind of D800x) which Nikon "really" needs to step up and match (but, bring something to the game, D700 performance/value).

HG

I want a 768 MP FX so that you can crop a 50mm 1.8 on it and still have a 400mm 12MP DX image. Or put a 35F2 on it and have a 280mm 12MP DX image. Along with that, I'd also like a Los Alamos national labatory's Cray II super computer to process the files.

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[bob clearlight]

Nikon has taken really long to answer Canon in a FF, cost effective, more MP body.
Granted the D700 still outperforms the Canon D5MK2 in most respects.

When Nikon finally releases their D700 upgrade, I have no doubt that it will be the best thing since sliced bread.
I just wish they will do it soon.
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[pm gaddis]

from the canon rumors

5D Mark III [CR1]December 25, 2010
Canon 5D Mark III
Comments Off
First 5D Mark III Spec List.
■28 megapixel
■2 Stop Noise Improvement
■63-segment metering
■1920×1080 30/25/24 frame Video
■RAW Video
■CES Announcement
CR’s Take
I posted this because it seems like a rumor that may spread around the web.
It’s highly unlikely Canon will introduce a 5D Mark III at CES.

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peace