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Warning: no intention to flame, this is only a theory :-)
Here they are: 3 points of a single theory:

1. dpreview.com has 3.6 million visitors each month. let´s say that 10% of those browse CTF; that´s 360.000. How many won´t buy a G2 if they see a post about "focus problems" ? - damned !$ @#! i bought it before that !!!

2. Where are the G2 owners that during months, posted PERFECTLY FOCUSED pictures of G2 pictures with "stair diagonals" problem ? Doesn´t anybody talk now about banding and white dots ? And the crack problem, no posts is the last 3 weeks ?

3. G2 is selling so good ... hmmm... maybe some "extra" cameras are beeing buyed by other manufacturers and being offered to trols ? Canon thanks the extra cash flow :-)

Note: Other than the mentioned above and based on my personal experience (still low but with already 2300 focused pics), I ONLY believe in:

1. A defective camera
2. A User problem

Choose yours if you are a complainer.

Regards,
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Paulo Abreu
http://www.pbase.com/psergio
 
LOL... Have you actually checked your own pictures subject distance with breezebrowser? Many of the G2 users who have shouted USER ERROR have changed their mind after checking their own pictures "subject distance" with breeze browser. Go ahead and check how many 66meters and other wierd distances you have.

The reason you get good pictures mostly is the deep DOF of the G2. But you can really see the difference when the G2 EXIF "focus distance" actually matches the real distance of the subject.

Kristian
Paulo Abreu said:
Warning: no intention to flame, this is only a theory :-)
Here they are: 3 points of a single theory:

1. dpreview.com has 3.6 million visitors each month. let´s say that
10% of those browse CTF; that´s 360.000. How many won´t buy a G2 if
they see a post about "focus problems" ? - damned !$ @#! i bought
it before that !!!

2. Where are the G2 owners that during months, posted PERFECTLY
FOCUSED pictures of G2 pictures with "stair diagonals" problem ?
Doesn´t anybody talk now about banding and white dots ? And the
crack problem, no posts is the last 3 weeks ?

3. G2 is selling so good ... hmmm... maybe some "extra" cameras are
beeing buyed by other manufacturers and being offered to trols ?
Canon thanks the extra cash flow :-)

Note: Other than the mentioned above and based on my personal
experience (still low but with already 2300 focused pics), I ONLY
believe in:

1. A defective camera
2. A User problem

Choose yours if you are a complainer.

Regards,
--
Paulo Abreu
http://www.pbase.com/psergio
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I have to admit that I'm starting to agree with you on this one. If the EXIF information is accurate then my G2 is focusing all over the place. The darn thing is, the G2 still takes great pictures, largely due to the DOF and the fact that the camera is so good in many other respects.

Can you take a look at my other recent post on Manual vs. Auto. I'd appreciate comments.

..... Jim
Kristian S. said:
LOL... Have you actually checked your own pictures subject distance
with breezebrowser? Many of the G2 users who have shouted USER
ERROR have changed their mind after checking their own pictures
"subject distance" with breeze browser. Go ahead and check how many
66meters and other wierd distances you have.

The reason you get good pictures mostly is the deep DOF of the G2.
But you can really see the difference when the G2 EXIF "focus
distance" actually matches the real distance of the subject.

Kristian
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Hi Kristian,

Yes, i have checked and they are correct although I may disagree with EXIF on a couple or two; but still those are in focus (ok, due to large DOF); they are a few.

Short distance focus (up to 10 meters or so) is in general correct and EXIF never gives me "66 m". I believe they are correct and correspond to the distance i can calculate mentaly.

I will search for one of those "66 meters" and post it later. I am going out to take a cofee with familiy and be back on 2 hours.
Regards,
Kristian S. said:
The reason you get good pictures mostly is the deep DOF of the G2.
But you can really see the difference when the G2 EXIF "focus
distance" actually matches the real distance of the subject.

Kristian
Paulo Abreu said:
Warning: no intention to flame, this is only a theory :-)
Here they are: 3 points of a single theory:

1. dpreview.com has 3.6 million visitors each month. let´s say that
10% of those browse CTF; that´s 360.000. How many won´t buy a G2 if
they see a post about "focus problems" ? - damned !$ @#! i bought
it before that !!!

2. Where are the G2 owners that during months, posted PERFECTLY
FOCUSED pictures of G2 pictures with "stair diagonals" problem ?
Doesn´t anybody talk now about banding and white dots ? And the
crack problem, no posts is the last 3 weeks ?

3. G2 is selling so good ... hmmm... maybe some "extra" cameras are
beeing buyed by other manufacturers and being offered to trols ?
Canon thanks the extra cash flow :-)

Note: Other than the mentioned above and based on my personal
experience (still low but with already 2300 focused pics), I ONLY
believe in:

1. A defective camera
2. A User problem

Choose yours if you are a complainer.

Regards,
--
Paulo Abreu
http://www.pbase.com/psergio
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--
---
IXUS V, S40 and G2 Galleries
http://www.iki.fi/steelduck
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--
Paulo Abreu
http://www.pbase.com/psergio
 
There is no conspiracy .... the G2 is a camera with many well documented operational faults, many rendering the camera inoperative.

But mentioning that around here will not make you a very popular person !!!
 
Kristian, about focus distance... check this picture:
http://www.pbase.com/image/2946412
Look at EXIF info at the bottom of page. Shutter priority ? 4.69 m ?

My original EXIF picture says: Program (real), 66 meters. What´s happening with that pbase.com EXIF info ?
Regards,
Kristian S. said:
The reason you get good pictures mostly is the deep DOF of the G2.
But you can really see the difference when the G2 EXIF "focus
distance" actually matches the real distance of the subject.

Kristian
Paulo Abreu said:
Warning: no intention to flame, this is only a theory :-)
Here they are: 3 points of a single theory:

1. dpreview.com has 3.6 million visitors each month. let´s say that
10% of those browse CTF; that´s 360.000. How many won´t buy a G2 if
they see a post about "focus problems" ? - damned !$ @#! i bought
it before that !!!

2. Where are the G2 owners that during months, posted PERFECTLY
FOCUSED pictures of G2 pictures with "stair diagonals" problem ?
Doesn´t anybody talk now about banding and white dots ? And the
crack problem, no posts is the last 3 weeks ?

3. G2 is selling so good ... hmmm... maybe some "extra" cameras are
beeing buyed by other manufacturers and being offered to trols ?
Canon thanks the extra cash flow :-)

Note: Other than the mentioned above and based on my personal
experience (still low but with already 2300 focused pics), I ONLY
believe in:

1. A defective camera
2. A User problem

Choose yours if you are a complainer.

Regards,
--
Paulo Abreu
http://www.pbase.com/psergio
Click to expand...
--
---
IXUS V, S40 and G2 Galleries
http://www.iki.fi/steelduck
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--
Paulo Abreu
http://www.pbase.com/psergio
 
Canon did have a series of G2 that had a problem with freeze controls. They assure that new cameras at shops are on good conditions; pretty normal to me. The crack is also documented (mine has).

Do you have other documented problems ? namely related to focus ? i would be interested. Thanks.

Regards,
Mike11 said:
There is no conspiracy .... the G2 is a camera with many well
documented operational faults, many rendering the camera
inoperative.

But mentioning that around here will not make you a very popular
person !!!
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Paulo Abreu
http://www.pbase.com/psergio
 
The funny thing that cracks me up is if you had a 35mm SLR camera and you had out of focus pictures, what would you do to fix them if you didn't have all the EXIF data to confuse the issue?

--
Have a great day
http://www.pbase.com/wp12001
Paulo Abreu said:
Warning: no intention to flame, this is only a theory :-)
Here they are: 3 points of a single theory:

1. dpreview.com has 3.6 million visitors each month. let´s say that
10% of those browse CTF; that´s 360.000. How many won´t buy a G2 if
they see a post about "focus problems" ? - damned !$ @#! i bought
it before that !!!

2. Where are the G2 owners that during months, posted PERFECTLY
FOCUSED pictures of G2 pictures with "stair diagonals" problem ?
Doesn´t anybody talk now about banding and white dots ? And the
crack problem, no posts is the last 3 weeks ?

3. G2 is selling so good ... hmmm... maybe some "extra" cameras are
beeing buyed by other manufacturers and being offered to trols ?
Canon thanks the extra cash flow :-)

Note: Other than the mentioned above and based on my personal
experience (still low but with already 2300 focused pics), I ONLY
believe in:

1. A defective camera
2. A User problem

Choose yours if you are a complainer.

Regards,
--
Paulo Abreu
http://www.pbase.com/psergio
Click to expand...
 
WP said:
The funny thing that cracks me up is if you had a 35mm SLR camera
and you had out of focus pictures, what would you do to fix them if
you didn't have all the EXIF data to confuse the issue?

--
Have a great day
http://www.pbase.com/wp12001
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Very good point WP. I had my new G2 freeze right out of the box. Got another & It works great. Stuff happens. Some pictures out of focus sure, but that also happens once in a while on my AF 35mm SLR. In my opinion it's a great little camera. Nothing is perfect you know. If the Nikon company is Trolling here I'd be glad to accept a free Canon D60 from you. ;-) I could then tell all here how it's not as good as the D100. LOL.

Crashton ;-)
 
Yep! out of focus pictures hasn´t born with DC´s. IMO, there´s an histeria about this G2 focus issue without reason. That is why I posted this thread. As an example, take Pongs´s thread:
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1010&message=3094528

There are dozens of theorys to the unfocused cat face but i didn´t saw anybody ask: "Did you respect the minimum 70cm focus distance ?"

Usualy the correct answer to a problem is the most obvious one. That picture is focused on the cat colar so it didn´t focus at 66m! right ?

I don´t consider me an "advanced" user! G2 is the FIRST autofocus camera i have in life; it can focus on everbody´s hand - I just have read the manual.

A couple of days ago a friend called me because his father in law bought a digital camera but he couldn´t connect it to the laptop (as he new i had a DC he asked me for help). I went to his house and when i arrived ... How ! a G2 - nice camera i said !. He hadn´t installed G2 software yet - good reason not to connect :-). He had taken +30 Jpeg in full auto; you would see the pics: walls, ground, several people, his own feet without knowing, some black shots (don´t ask me how), etc. He is totally blind to G2 features or photography in general so i did´t get the trouble of even explaining Tv, Av, ..., etc. - ALL the pics were focused (don´t know the blacks :-) !!! He already knew by his last film camera that he had to wait for green light and also he knew about focusing, locking and recomposing. want more ?
Have you read this thread ?
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1010&message=2583162

This guy took 1 picture per day with a G2 for 90 days not getting a second chance and got 90 focused pics ???

Maybe G2 isn´t the finest camera out there but is surely a damned good camera - and focus ISN´T really an issue!
Regards,
WP said:
The funny thing that cracks me up is if you had a 35mm SLR camera
and you had out of focus pictures, what would you do to fix them if
you didn't have all the EXIF data to confuse the issue?

--
Have a great day
http://www.pbase.com/wp12001
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Paulo Abreu
http://www.pbase.com/psergio
 
That would almost work, except that I read Phil's D100 review, and saw his comparison of the two cameras. Somewhere, somehow, sometime, there's a D60 out there with my name on it. Until then, I'm perfectly happy with my G2. No freezes, no cracks, and no more problems with out of focus images than with my EOS 3. I was getting more soft focus images than I like with the G2 until I started using a tripod or monopod for almost everything I shot with it. That habit has transferred to the EOS 3, and has improved my 35mm shots as well.

Dan
http://www.pbase.com/digital_edge
Crashton said:
If the Nikon company is Trolling here I'd be glad to
accept a free Canon D60 from you. ;-) I could then tell all here
how it's not as good as the D100. LOL.

Crashton ;-)
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I must be a photographer - I keep running around in circles of confusion.
 
EXIF data does not confuse the issue. It nails down the reason for soft photos. It's not the lens, it's not less aggressive sharpening, it's because the pictures are out of focus.
WP said:
The funny thing that cracks me up is if you had a 35mm SLR camera
and you had out of focus pictures, what would you do to fix them if
you didn't have all the EXIF data to confuse the issue?
Click to expand...
 
Instead of wasting your time in front of monitor, take your g2 and start shooting. As much as possible. And all your problems with focusing will vanish.
There are kind of "obsessive topics" here from time to time. "Dead pixels"

, "cracked body", "focusing". Some of them return ("dead pixels") every couple of weeks. Check the list of forum users. Every day you can see a lot of new names, lot of newbies who just discovered well known "problems".

--
Mac-iek
http://www.pbase.com/maciek
 
gkl said:
Erik Stiegler said:
EXIF data does not confuse the issue. It nails down the reason for
soft photos. It's not the lens, it's not less aggressive
sharpening, it's because the pictures are out of focus.
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I'd say EXIF distance data is a big part of the confusion. Check out:

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1010&message=3096029
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I'd believe it if the camera was picking adjacent zones, so if I'm photographing something 4 meters away, seeing EXIF distances of 3,4 and 5 meters, but I see a range from 2 to 66 meters.

If the zone focusing the G2 uses is this bad, then when Canon comes out with the G3, it should definitely also have an active focusing system in addition to contrast detection.
 
The PBase reports the Focus distance wrong. I do not know why. I am really happy that you cameras AF works so good. I will take mine to canon and ask them to test the AF while they are fixing the hot pixel and the "farting" zoom movement.

Are you really saying that you do not have any 66meter pictures that have been taken with a lens in wide position and the subject about 2 meters away?

When I get it back I will report my findings.

Kristian
Paulo Abreu said:
Kristian S. said:
The reason you get good pictures mostly is the deep DOF of the G2.
But you can really see the difference when the G2 EXIF "focus
distance" actually matches the real distance of the subject.

Kristian
Paulo Abreu said:
Warning: no intention to flame, this is only a theory :-)
Here they are: 3 points of a single theory:

1. dpreview.com has 3.6 million visitors each month. let´s say that
10% of those browse CTF; that´s 360.000. How many won´t buy a G2 if
they see a post about "focus problems" ? - damned !$ @#! i bought
it before that !!!

2. Where are the G2 owners that during months, posted PERFECTLY
FOCUSED pictures of G2 pictures with "stair diagonals" problem ?
Doesn´t anybody talk now about banding and white dots ? And the
crack problem, no posts is the last 3 weeks ?

3. G2 is selling so good ... hmmm... maybe some "extra" cameras are
beeing buyed by other manufacturers and being offered to trols ?
Canon thanks the extra cash flow :-)

Note: Other than the mentioned above and based on my personal
experience (still low but with already 2300 focused pics), I ONLY
believe in:

1. A defective camera
2. A User problem

Choose yours if you are a complainer.

Regards,
--
Paulo Abreu
http://www.pbase.com/psergio
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---
IXUS V, S40 and G2 Galleries
http://www.iki.fi/steelduck
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Paulo Abreu
http://www.pbase.com/psergio
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IXUS V, S40 and G2 Galleries
http://www.iki.fi/steelduck
 
Paulo,

I am starting to classify my G2 pics according to the following brackets:

1. in focus
2. soft
3. bit blurry
4. blurry
5. out of focus

I am taking the Exif data from Breezebrowser (the Canon's does not report "subject distance" ...) to retrieve focal length, aperture, AF mode and "subject distance".

Since I very often take a series of pictures from the same viewing point, only changing focal length, or aperture or metering, I have quite good sets of comparables.

In the first forty-some batch examined, 2 are completely out of focus (short distance, moderate wide angle, F 4.0): one is a portrait 0,95 m away which G2 focused at 7 m, the other is a group at 3 m which G2 focused at 1.7 m. Roughly 1 out of four are "soft" (all are from close to very close portraits, 10-21 mm focal length) due to an apparent 10% error in "subject distance"; 1 out of six are "bit blurry" or plain "blurry".

On some "repeated" landscape shots, Exif reports any distance between 3 m to 66 m - DoF here helps since aperture is from 6.3 on.

Interesting enough, also my S110 suffers from the same "Exif histeria", even if it suffer from blurriness only in low light (I have a perfectly focused landscape of a castle 600 m away where the S 110 focused at 4.4 m, F4.0 !).

Ciao.

--
Greets from Rome

Mauro
 
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