Zoo called me back

[Tigadee]

Jared-5 wrote:
I like when people see the prints and say something along the lines
of "Good to see people still use real cameras." I say "Well, I'm a
real photographer, and that's why!"

That's a good one, that is... :-D

Well, the rationale behind the pro-film mentality behind this guy's thinking was that you have the negative, which is "unalterable" whereas a digital photo can be manipulated...

Sounds logical but majorly flawed! "Look! This is a photo printed from a film camera of the statue of Jesus weeping! It must be true!"

"If it's in the newspaper, it must be true!"

"If it's on TV, it must be true!"

"Hi! I play a doctor on xyz show and I wanna tell you about this new miracle hair growth product..."

Hee! Hee! Hee! :-D

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Tigadee
Keep On Snappin'!
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[Jared-5]

Go figure. People could easily fake receipts, etc, etc.

Insurance is almost like legalized extortion. Many times the companies operate by taking your money every month, and finding ways not to give you any money if you need it.

I know that's a generalization, and not all companies are like that, but it sure does happen often.

People on the other hand, are not so innocent either. Hmm, maybe I could get a job for an insurance company, tracking down the guy who "hurt his back and can't work" and taking photos of him (with my digital camera) working under the table!

Jared-5 wrote:
I like when people see the prints and say something along the lines
of "Good to see people still use real cameras." I say "Well, I'm a
real photographer, and that's why!"

That's a good one, that is... :-D

Well, the rationale behind the pro-film mentality behind this guy's
thinking was that you have the negative, which is "unalterable"
whereas a digital photo can be manipulated...

Sounds logical but majorly flawed! "Look! This is a photo printed
from a film camera of the statue of Jesus weeping! It must be true!"

"If it's in the newspaper, it must be true!"

"If it's on TV, it must be true!"

"Hi! I play a doctor on xyz show and I wanna tell you about this
new miracle hair growth product..."

Hee! Hee! Hee! :-D

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Tigadee
Keep On Snappin'!
http://www.pbase.com/tigadee

--
Jared

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[Kimberly85208]

I spoke to mine today, and they do. See: http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1009&message=3120187

I spoke to an insurance man today and he said photos taken with a
digital camera were not accepted because they could be manipulated.

"A smashed windscreen could be faked with a digital photo..."

Sound familiar?

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Tigadee
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--Kimberly--
I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs...
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[Hofy]

ALL Fuji Frontier 370 and 390 will take a 3" disk. They all use Plextor drives. Just have the Wal*Mart lady look at the seating ring in the middle of the disk tray.

But then again these are the hightech people who told me that my prints wouldnt be ready in an hour because they where "digital" and that takes longer. I have a $50 bill for next time I hear that and they are not busy. I will show them I can have prints off of a disk in less than 30 minutes. This is fact as I have had another WalMart do it.

OK , just breathe. In...out...in...out.

This is a standard 3" mini-CD disk, holds 210MB of data. All CD's
should be built to hold to the standard, read and write to it.

Maybe they don't hate us. But they're definitely GROSSLY
misinformed and sometimes downright harmful to the growth of the
industry.

Ulysses,

Sit down. Calm down. Everything will be OK. Breathe in - breathe
out. Nobody hates us or our digital cameras. Nobody hates us.
Everything will be OK. Breathe. Be calm.

--
3D Stereo photography, because the world isn't flat.

 

[Ulysses]

Hofy

Good stuff. That's the data I needed. I think I'll wait until their other tech is in. The lady sitting on the bench today had no clue.

I wish I could give THEM a breath of fresh air. They're not doing either their own business or the digital community justice with this type of inadequacy.

ALL Fuji Frontier 370 and 390 will take a 3" disk. They all use
Plextor drives. Just have the Wal*Mart lady look at the seating
ring in the middle of the disk tray.

But then again these are the hightech people who told me that my
prints wouldnt be ready in an hour because they where "digital" and
that takes longer. I have a $50 bill for next time I hear that and
they are not busy. I will show them I can have prints off of a
disk in less than 30 minutes. This is fact as I have had another
WalMart do it.

OK , just breathe. In...out...in...out.

--

Ulysses

 

[vgalli]

Same scenario with our hometown paper, can take pictures with any camera in one breath, in the next no digital pictures allowed. So you know I had to call but the difference was the winner has to have the negative to collect their prize, hmmmm sneaky.

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[Ulysses]

You're going to love this update (and yes, the breathing did help -g-)

I have a friend whom I recommended a long time ago to get a CD300 camera. He loves it. But he's always had a poor photo printer at home, so he was considering his options. After getting my own test batch at some of the Kodak kiosks, I told him to take a look at that option.

When he went into Wal-Mart, he saw that they would take a CD of pics and print them out. So he brought his mini-CD to them and requested prints. They naturally said their normal "we can't do those kinds of disks here". But he was very calm, but authoritative when he said, "I'm a computer tech and consultant. I'm familiar with these types of systems. If you'd allow me, I'd like to show you how you can get the images off of these small disks and into your photo lab. I'm sure your customers will appreciate it if we can get this to work for them.

He apparently had the right manager, who allowed him to step closer (not behind the counter, but on the other side of the partition) and see the computer and CD tray. He pointed out to the manager that there built into the tray was a smaller depression in which the mini would fit. The fellow opened the drawer and said, "Ohhhhhh... I never noticed that before." All the while the young kid of barely 22 (hot shot and thought he had it all figured out) was saying that "we can't do those...I've tried".

Well, the disk was read, the folders popped up. And my friend said, "You can now begin printing." The manager replied that 'you learn something new every day.'

If only the workers and techs at more places would be more open to the help that advanced customers can bring to them. Instead, they often treat their equipment like their personal little feifdom. Only human, i suppose.

However, the point of the story is that if we can help educate them, or write letters to Fuji and Kodak to help educate their techs at the stores, it will be a LOT better for all of us.

ALL Fuji Frontier 370 and 390 will take a 3" disk. They all use
Plextor drives. Just have the Wal*Mart lady look at the seating
ring in the middle of the disk tray.

But then again these are the hightech people who told me that my
prints wouldnt be ready in an hour because they where "digital" and
that takes longer. I have a $50 bill for next time I hear that and
they are not busy. I will show them I can have prints off of a
disk in less than 30 minutes. This is fact as I have had another
WalMart do it.

OK , just breathe. In...out...in...out.

--

Ulysses

 

[Jared-5]

I know what you mean. I had a guy come in our shop the other day looking for a "special" CD-ROM. He pulled out the mini CD his techy brother had sent him, and class began. Needless to say, he learned something that day too.

When Walmart said "we can't" I would have said, "how do you know?" "You Jedi assume too much."

I plan on burning the Sony drivers on a mini CD so it will fit in my camera bag, in case I'm somewhere with only a Windows 98 machine.

You're going to love this update (and yes, the breathing did help -g-)

I have a friend whom I recommended a long time ago to get a CD300
camera. He loves it. But he's always had a poor photo printer at
home, so he was considering his options. After getting my own test
batch at some of the Kodak kiosks, I told him to take a look at
that option.

When he went into Wal-Mart, he saw that they would take a CD of
pics and print them out. So he brought his mini-CD to them and
requested prints. They naturally said their normal "we can't do
those kinds of disks here". But he was very calm, but authoritative
when he said, "I'm a computer tech and consultant. I'm familiar
with these types of systems. If you'd allow me, I'd like to show
you how you can get the images off of these small disks and into
your photo lab. I'm sure your customers will appreciate it if we
can get this to work for them.

He apparently had the right manager, who allowed him to step closer
(not behind the counter, but on the other side of the partition)
and see the computer and CD tray. He pointed out to the manager
that there built into the tray was a smaller depression in which
the mini would fit. The fellow opened the drawer and said,
"Ohhhhhh... I never noticed that before." All the while the young
kid of barely 22 (hot shot and thought he had it all figured out)
was saying that "we can't do those...I've tried".

Well, the disk was read, the folders popped up. And my friend said,
"You can now begin printing." The manager replied that 'you learn
something new every day.'

If only the workers and techs at more places would be more open to
the help that advanced customers can bring to them. Instead, they
often treat their equipment like their personal little feifdom.
Only human, i suppose.

However, the point of the story is that if we can help educate
them, or write letters to Fuji and Kodak to help educate their
techs at the stores, it will be a LOT better for all of us.

--

Ulysses

--
Jared

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[andylayau]

I have a friend whom I recommended a long time ago to get a CD300
camera. He loves it. But he's always had a poor photo printer at
home, so he was considering his options. After getting my own test
batch at some of the Kodak kiosks, I told him to take a look at
that option.

When he went into Wal-Mart, he saw that they would take a CD of
pics and print them out. So he brought his mini-CD to them and
requested prints. They naturally said their normal "we can't do
those kinds of disks here". But he was very calm, but authoritative
when he said, "I'm a computer tech and consultant. I'm familiar
with these types of systems. If you'd allow me, I'd like to show
you how you can get the images off of these small disks and into
your photo lab. I'm sure your customers will appreciate it if we
can get this to work for them.

He apparently had the right manager, who allowed him to step closer
(not behind the counter, but on the other side of the partition)
and see the computer and CD tray. He pointed out to the manager
that there built into the tray was a smaller depression in which
the mini would fit. The fellow opened the drawer and said,
"Ohhhhhh... I never noticed that before." All the while the young
kid of barely 22 (hot shot and thought he had it all figured out)
was saying that "we can't do those...I've tried".

Well, the disk was read, the folders popped up. And my friend said,
"You can now begin printing." The manager replied that 'you learn
something new every day.'

If only the workers and techs at more places would be more open to
the help that advanced customers can bring to them. Instead, they
often treat their equipment like their personal little feifdom.
Only human, i suppose.

However, the point of the story is that if we can help educate
them, or write letters to Fuji and Kodak to help educate their
techs at the stores, it will be a LOT better for all of us.

ALL Fuji Frontier 370 and 390 will take a 3" disk. They all use
Plextor drives. Just have the Wal*Mart lady look at the seating
ring in the middle of the disk tray.

But then again these are the hightech people who told me that my
prints wouldnt be ready in an hour because they where "digital" and
that takes longer. I have a $50 bill for next time I hear that and
they are not busy. I will show them I can have prints off of a
disk in less than 30 minutes. This is fact as I have had another
WalMart do it.

OK , just breathe. In...out...in...out.

--

Ulysses

 

[Ulysses]

Jared-5 -

An even better solution is to use a mini-CDRW. This way you have the reduced SIZE to carry around in your camera bag. But you also can RE-USE the disk rather than wasting it.

The whole waste idea irks me whether it's a large disk or a small one because then we're back into the paradigm used with film. You write to it once, and then you're stuck with having to purchase another (unless you are archiving them anyway). With CDRW, I can write to it, take it to the store for them to print my pics. Then later, I use the same disk to prepare for another set of picture prints.

The mini's are great. But I'm going to ensure that Wal-Mart will do this for me.

Your idea of having the drivers for a Win98 machine are great, too.

I plan on burning the Sony drivers on a mini CD so it will fit in
my camera bag, in case I'm somewhere with only a Windows 98 machine.

--

Ulysses

 

[Hofy]

Ulysses,

Thats good to hear. Just a note though. If you ever run across a slot loading CD ROM it most likely will not take the 3" CD.

Hofy

I have a friend whom I recommended a long time ago to get a CD300
camera. He loves it. But he's always had a poor photo printer at
home, so he was considering his options. After getting my own test
batch at some of the Kodak kiosks, I told him to take a look at
that option.

When he went into Wal-Mart, he saw that they would take a CD of
pics and print them out. So he brought his mini-CD to them and
requested prints. They naturally said their normal "we can't do
those kinds of disks here". But he was very calm, but authoritative
when he said, "I'm a computer tech and consultant. I'm familiar
with these types of systems. If you'd allow me, I'd like to show
you how you can get the images off of these small disks and into
your photo lab. I'm sure your customers will appreciate it if we
can get this to work for them.

He apparently had the right manager, who allowed him to step closer
(not behind the counter, but on the other side of the partition)
and see the computer and CD tray. He pointed out to the manager
that there built into the tray was a smaller depression in which
the mini would fit. The fellow opened the drawer and said,
"Ohhhhhh... I never noticed that before." All the while the young
kid of barely 22 (hot shot and thought he had it all figured out)
was saying that "we can't do those...I've tried".

Well, the disk was read, the folders popped up. And my friend said,
"You can now begin printing." The manager replied that 'you learn
something new every day.'

If only the workers and techs at more places would be more open to
the help that advanced customers can bring to them. Instead, they
often treat their equipment like their personal little feifdom.
Only human, i suppose.

However, the point of the story is that if we can help educate
them, or write letters to Fuji and Kodak to help educate their
techs at the stores, it will be a LOT better for all of us.

ALL Fuji Frontier 370 and 390 will take a 3" disk. They all use
Plextor drives. Just have the Wal*Mart lady look at the seating
ring in the middle of the disk tray.

But then again these are the hightech people who told me that my
prints wouldnt be ready in an hour because they where "digital" and
that takes longer. I have a $50 bill for next time I hear that and
they are not busy. I will show them I can have prints off of a
disk in less than 30 minutes. This is fact as I have had another
WalMart do it.

OK , just breathe. In...out...in...out.

--

Ulysses

--
3D Stereo photography, because the world isn't flat.

 

[Jared-5]

Good observation. I hadn't thought about that one.

Ulysses,

Thats good to hear. Just a note though. If you ever run across a
slot loading CD ROM it most likely will not take the 3" CD.

Hofy

--
3D Stereo photography, because the world isn't flat.

--
Jared

DSC-F707

 

[Ulysses]

Good reminder.

Question: There aren't that many of them around are there? -- the slot-loading drives.

And wouldn't Fuji have standardized most of their equipment where this is concerned.

Additionally, you can purchase an adapter (similar to the one that is provided with the CD300 or CD400) that would allow them to load the smaller mini into the drive. I know that sounds like a lot to go through, but if someone lives all the way out in the boonies, and Wal-Mart is their only store in town (there are a LOT of towns like this in the USA), then it may be one of the few local options available.

I'm counting, however, on the Fujifilm Frontier being standardized on the Plextor drives.

Again, your point was a good reminder that not all systems and drives are created the same.

Ulysses,

Thats good to hear. Just a note though. If you ever run across a
slot loading CD ROM it most likely will not take the 3" CD.

--

Ulysses

 

[Hofy]

Yes all Fuji Frontiers have Plextor drives, but you never know when one has had an upgrade or repair and the tech replaced it with a slot loader.

Does anyone know what drive(s) are used with the Noritsu minilabs??

Question: There aren't that many of them around are there? -- the
slot-loading drives.

And wouldn't Fuji have standardized most of their equipment where
this is concerned.

Additionally, you can purchase an adapter (similar to the one that
is provided with the CD300 or CD400) that would allow them to load
the smaller mini into the drive. I know that sounds like a lot to
go through, but if someone lives all the way out in the boonies,
and Wal-Mart is their only store in town (there are a LOT of towns
like this in the USA), then it may be one of the few local options
available.

I'm counting, however, on the Fujifilm Frontier being standardized
on the Plextor drives.

Again, your point was a good reminder that not all systems and
drives are created the same.

Ulysses,

Thats good to hear. Just a note though. If you ever run across a
slot loading CD ROM it most likely will not take the 3" CD.

--

Ulysses

--
3D Stereo photography, because the world isn't flat.

 

[Ulysses]

Gawwd!! Why would they do that?

I haven't even SEEN a slot loader in ages. I'd sort of figured that for most applications, they'd die off like the dinosaurs.

Seriously, you wouldn't expect a tech to do that, would you??

I'm not questioning at all what you're saying. I'm simply asking, would they really do that? And have you actually seen anything that strange done?

Yes all Fuji Frontiers have Plextor drives, but you never know when
one has had an upgrade or repair and the tech replaced it with a
slot loader.

--

Ulysses

 

[Mofongo]

http://www.digitalphotocontest.com/rules.asp

There's also contests that allow only digital photos like the one above...

Goes both ways I guess...

Bob

 

[Hofy]

I have an apprentice working under me right now. He loves his slot load DVD ROM. I showed him how it will not take 3" disks and how it starts scratching disks unless the conditions are 100% clean. No slot loads in my shop!

I haven't even SEEN a slot loader in ages. I'd sort of figured that
for most applications, they'd die off like the dinosaurs.

Seriously, you wouldn't expect a tech to do that, would you??

I'm not questioning at all what you're saying. I'm simply asking,
would they really do that? And have you actually seen anything that
strange done?

Yes all Fuji Frontiers have Plextor drives, but you never know when
one has had an upgrade or repair and the tech replaced it with a
slot loader.

--

Ulysses

--
3D Stereo photography, because the world isn't flat.

 

[Ulysses]

I have an apprentice working under me right now. He loves his slot
load DVD ROM. I showed him how it will not take 3" disks and how
it starts scratching disks unless the conditions are 100% clean.
No slot loads in my shop!

The revolution begins here!

--

Ulysses