Does D7000 have MLU?

So, looking at this chart, is this always the case? And is it usually dramatic as 800 "ISO"?

I think you are missing my point completely. These are not scientific measurement devices, they are digital cameras. You know, for taking pictures.
 
I would say that it is inaccurate to use this example and simply blanket the rest of the cameras on the market.
I used the D90 and XSi as those were the cameras mentioned by the OP. I have no idea what the average inaccuracy is across the market, but it doesn't matter, the fact that differences exist means that it's hard to make direct comparisons between models.
If we look at your example, when the D90 is set to ISO200 ... how close was it to 200?
Well from the graph you can see that the true sensitivity is around 150.
 
I used the D90 and XSi as those were the cameras mentioned by the OP. I have no idea what the average inaccuracy is across the market, but it doesn't matter, the fact that differences exist means that it's hard to make direct comparisons between models.
If it interests you that much, and makes that big of a difference, it's quite easy actually. Just compare the two models. My point is that there is a standard in place, and generally speaking it gives you a pretty good idea of what your ISO sensitivity is. And if you are going to forgo the purchase of a certain camera because it has ISO200 as a base ISO, especially considering there are ND filters available for use, you are being a bit silly. Even if there is a slight variance in the ISO ratings.
Well from the graph you can see that the true sensitivity is around 150.
If you want to be really accurate, I think it is closer to 160-170, but whose counting? ;)
 
I think you are missing my point completely.
Well, I don't quite know what your point is. I agree that ND filters are useful and necessary in some situations. But I was responding on the subject of ISO equivalency between cameras.
These are not scientific measurement devices, they are digital cameras.
True, but their performance can be objectively measured. In some cases this is relevant. For example if using an external incident light meter, it's helpful to know the actual sensitivity at a given nominal ISO.
You know, for taking pictures.
It's unlikely one would ever notice that the actual exposure of a certain ISO on one camera is different than the exposure of the same ISO on another camera, especially with TTL metering. My point is simply that there are differences, nothing more.
 
.... but they may have a different name now. There is a mirror delay.
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Nikon D40
AF-S 18-55 f3.5-5.6 G ED II DX
AF-S 55-200 f4.0-5.6 VR DX IF-ED
AF-S 300 F4 IF-ED
Sigma 10-20 4-5.6 EX DC NIKON HSM
Nikon AF-S 35 F1.8
Series E 36-72 F3.5
Series E 75-150 F3.5
SB-400
 
I used the D90 and XSi as those were the cameras mentioned by the OP. I have no idea what the average inaccuracy is across the market, but it doesn't matter, the fact that differences exist means that it's hard to make direct comparisons between models.
If it interests you that much, and makes that big of a difference, it's quite easy actually. Just compare the two models. My point is that there is a standard in place, and generally speaking it gives you a pretty good idea of what your ISO sensitivity is. And if you are going to forgo the purchase of a certain camera because it has ISO200 as a base ISO, especially considering there are ND filters available for use, you are being a bit silly. Even if there is a slight variance in the ISO ratings.
Well from the graph you can see that the true sensitivity is around 150.
If you want to be really accurate, I think it is closer to 160-170, but whose counting? ;)
"Really accurate"? ;-)

If you hover your mouse over the ISO 200 dot on the graph for the D90, it shows "Measured ISO : 145", and "Manufacturer ISO : 200".
The 450D shows "Measured ISO : 151", and "Manufacturer ISO : 200".

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Patco
A photograph is more than a bunch of pixels
 
Yes, they use different methods for measuring ISO. That is why to buy a camera because it does ISO100 vs ISO200 on the another makes no sense.
I used the D90 and XSi as those were the cameras mentioned by the OP. I have no idea what the average inaccuracy is across the market, but it doesn't matter, the fact that differences exist means that it's hard to make direct comparisons between models.
If it interests you that much, and makes that big of a difference, it's quite easy actually. Just compare the two models. My point is that there is a standard in place, and generally speaking it gives you a pretty good idea of what your ISO sensitivity is. And if you are going to forgo the purchase of a certain camera because it has ISO200 as a base ISO, especially considering there are ND filters available for use, you are being a bit silly. Even if there is a slight variance in the ISO ratings.
Well from the graph you can see that the true sensitivity is around 150.
If you want to be really accurate, I think it is closer to 160-170, but whose counting? ;)
"Really accurate"? ;-)

If you hover your mouse over the ISO 200 dot on the graph for the D90, it shows "Measured ISO : 145", and "Manufacturer ISO : 200".
The 450D shows "Measured ISO : 151", and "Manufacturer ISO : 200".

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Patco
A photograph is more than a bunch of pixels
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OK, not so purely a hobby.
 
I stand corrected. The dpreview article lists it in the description of the controls but it is not listed in the "shooting modes" section of the specs.

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Nikon D40
AF-S 18-55 f3.5-5.6 G ED II DX
AF-S 55-200 f4.0-5.6 VR DX IF-ED
AF-S 300 F4 IF-ED
Sigma 10-20 4-5.6 EX DC NIKON HSM
Nikon AF-S 35 F1.8
Series E 36-72 F3.5
Series E 75-150 F3.5
SB-400
 
I stand corrected. The dpreview article lists it in the description of the controls but it is not listed in the "shooting modes" section of the specs.
Its a true MLU. Nikon listed it in their brochure:

Release mode S (single frame), CL (continuous low speed), CH (continuous high speed), Q (quiet shutterrelease),
(self-timer), (remote control), MUP (mirror up)
 
I have an FE2, bought in 84. Sorry for the late answer because I spent the last two nights trying to fix the series E 70-210mm zoom creep issue. I think I nailed it but need some test.
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Rick
 
Its a true MLU. Nikon listed it in their brochure:

Release mode S (single frame), CL (continuous low speed), CH (continuous high speed), Q (quiet shutterrelease),
(self-timer), (remote control), MUP (mirror up)
I actually visited Nikon site to read the brochure and found the same piece of information but wasn't sure it really means MLU. I thought the feature would be mentioned somewhere in the spec but did not and thus my question. Now it is all cleared up.
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Rick
 
Yes, they use different methods for measuring ISO. That is why to buy a camera because it does ISO100 vs ISO200 on the another makes no sense.
I look at this IOS thing from the basic definition - light sensibility. I believe even in digital form, ISO 100 means the same sensiblity level as film. Yes, it may be measured differently and the sensibility level may be roughly equivalent to but when one manufacture claims ISO 200, it certainly is "NOT" ISO 100. Otherwise it would have claimed ISO 100 capablity outright. Marketing is all about checklist items and would stretch thing as far as possible. When something is not mentioned, it simply means the product is nowhere near it. My reasoning is simply as that and makes a lot of sense to me. :)

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Rick
 
Of course, film ISOs are also merely measurements taken and published by the manufacturer, and there always have been variations between film stocks from different manufacturers, different films from the same manufacturer, and different batches of the same film. In the good ol' days, you would buy a bunch of film from the same batch and then calibrate your metering after shooting and processing the first roll.

Remember that lenses also have inaccuracies versus their stated aperture, and also lose additional light as it passes thru the glass elements in the lens. All other things being equal, a lens with 18 elements and one with 10 elements will pass a different amount of light at f/8. And their actual "f/8" may be different as well.

The differences between camera sensors today is why there is an ISO sensitivity adjustment for the D7000 (and others), which allows you to make your own custom calibration. And was stated above, since you're (almost) always metering in the camera anyway, it makes no difference.

DxO's testing is also just one measurement - they use a reference device which they have calibrated; there's no 'magic' absolute calibration which is possible.

That being said, it's almost certainly the case that manufacturers will choose to "round up" the nominal ISO rather than "round down", and also that none of us would be happy buying cameras which had advertised ISOs of (say) 93 to 6135. Differences in nominal sensitivity of 1/3 or 1/2 stop are pretty insignificant, IMHO. I certainly wouldn't choose a camera based on that unless every other factor was equivalent.
 

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