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F80 EXR or F200EXR
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Kim Letkeman
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In this case, yes. The pub was so dark and the lighting so awful that I took everything to black and white. And an F80 image could have captured this one just as well I think ...I know i keep asking this...but would the F80 take shots like that??This was shot in the darkest pub you will ever see at 3200 ISO with the F70 ...
Had I tried to stay in color, the F70 would have looked better ... for example, the Bill Bragg shots might have been beyond it ... but I will have to shoot a concert to know for certain ...
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... Quite simple.
Focal range - F80 EXR.
IQ - F200 EXR.
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Focal range - F80 EXR.
IQ - F200 EXR.
Cheers.
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When I have the time, Kim I'll certainly do some comparison shots and the only high-ish ISO S5600 photo I can show you is below which was taken at 1/8 sec. 800 ISO at f/3.2, hand held with window light and only downsized. At the time, my other two cameras stood no chance at all without using flash and the organ's in a small church.
Your photo is a work of art and thanks for posting it.
Regards, Muvvie.
Thanks, bushi but I'd already placed my order with the Fuji shop and a refurbished one will do fine.
Saving forty quid!
Best from Muvvie.
Lilianna
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Thanks it is really a nice lttle super zoom.
The Long end, in particular, is very very sharp
Heavy crop, 380mm-e, ISO 800
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The Long end, in particular, is very very sharp
Heavy crop, 380mm-e, ISO 800
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chrisnewton35
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As a novice like myself that means nothing to me mate, i just want to know if it will beat my current finepix A820 even on its worse setting !
I'll have an F70 in a couple days (which is similar to the F80) along with my F200 and will be showing comparison shots, I have a feeling their going to be very similar, that the IQ will be pixel peeping close...
Stay tuned if you can wait !
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Stay tuned if you can wait !
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Lilianna
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Yes, both cameras will do that handily. I have both and am constantly impressed by their IQ
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chrisnewton35
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what does IQ mean?
Lilianna
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IQ=Image Quality. Any EXR camera shot in in Med resolution DR 400 will trounce any non EXR camera in IQ, especially in Dynamic Range
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There is an F80EXR over at http://www.UsedCameras.com for $175 in MINT condition.
... Not sure what the A820 is but I did have an A850 about a year back. The F80 and F200 EXR's will beat it by a huge factor.
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Cheers.
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Rgds, Dave.
Have fun - take lotsa pix.
My HS10 Stuff - http://www.pixplanet.biz/Posting-stuff_HS10_00.htm
patchotoole
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Kim,
Actually while doing this I noticed the awful auto white balance in the F80 under incandescent light. Very poor compared to the S5600.
I'll try to put something together this evening to compare the two.
By the way, thanks again for the EXR settings. Certainly saved my mental stability when I got the F80. One thing about the P mode setting and maybe you can confirm or not. I noticed that detail in shadows appears to decrease with increasing DR setting. Does that sound right? Again I'll include something in this in any test I try.
Coincidently I did something approaching this recently when I got my F80. It is a close call between the two but the F80 just nicks it for that extra detail at base ISO and then just pulls away at higher ISO. I'd say the F70 would easily surpass this.
Actually while doing this I noticed the awful auto white balance in the F80 under incandescent light. Very poor compared to the S5600.
I'll try to put something together this evening to compare the two.
By the way, thanks again for the EXR settings. Certainly saved my mental stability when I got the F80. One thing about the P mode setting and maybe you can confirm or not. I noticed that detail in shadows appears to decrease with increasing DR setting. Does that sound right? Again I'll include something in this in any test I try.
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Kim Letkeman
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If you check the size of the samples that were not marked EXR (presumably the P mode images they don't like) you will find that they shot the camera in L size ...
So the F80 - shot at L size - does a worse job than the F80 in EXR, which annoys them. Well, it annoys me too ... so I shoot in P mode at M size and the bonus is I get hardware DR as well ....
Why can reviewers never glom onto this simple truth?
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Kim Letkeman
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You are quite welcome ...
I presume you mean at M size ... which means binning might be doing something to details in shadow ...
The sensor is exposing mid and shadow at the same value across the board to my knowledge. The difference is the highlight exposure ... 1:1, 1:2 or 1:3 ... for the three hardware supported DR levels.
What could be happening here is that the blending algorithm could be attacking details that cross the threshold and suppressing them somewhat by blending in the highlight side of the sensor, thus rendering them less visible. Fuji have to do something like this to avoid a fake look ...
If you think about the way a cross-over works in audio ... you get widely overlapping curves that add up to a flat curve in the end result. This should be exactly that ... more and more from the highlights side of the sensor and less and less from the shadow side of the sensor, so the suppression of highlights should go pretty deep into shadows in DR400 mode.
Have you checked to see of they are really different after application of a new tone curve in post processing?
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patchotoole
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That's correct.
I hadn't thought about the highlight side taking a bit away from the shadow side but that certainly makes sense.
I haven't no, but I'll have a look this evening and see what crops up. Thanks for that.
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