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Christa, what are you doing there? You must be a heavy person to get there, lol :) But I am curious indeed how you get permitted to be there, of course.

A question: do you miss the viewfinder and if you got one, how pleased are you with it? What's the field factor of the viewfinder.

I am following the results of this camera closely as it could be one for the road, but I should be very pleased with a cam who is water resistente and when I see your images so far beneath the surface I can image the it would be no luxery.

I must say that I can't say much now about this image, I have looked about the series on flickr and I have to admit that I have seen images especially from Swiss who are very appealing.

Lou

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The construction site of what will be the longest train tunnel in the world (see alptransit.ch for more info). This is a future escape tunnel of one of two emergency underground train stations.

Some motion blur, but I think it gives an idea of what it was like down there.

E-PL1 w/ mZD14-42mm @14mm, ISO 1600, f5.6, 1/5s

Cheers
Christa



PS. Some more photos and a short video of the visit to Alptransit are on my Flickr site.

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Christa I find the "Alptransit - Faido MFH image" I spotted on flickr, very convincing and maybe a better example then the one you showed in the C&C thread. What a beautiful image that is and I also like the colour diversity in that image.

Lou

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LouHolland said:
Christa, what are you doing there? You must be a heavy person to get there, lol :) But I am curious indeed how you get permitted to be there, of course.

A question: do you miss the viewfinder and if you got one, how pleased are you with it? What's the field factor of the viewfinder.

I am following the results of this camera closely as it could be one for the road, but I should be very pleased with a cam who is water resistente and when I see your images so far beneath the surface I can image the it would be no luxery.

I must say that I can't say much now about this image, I have looked about the series on flickr and I have to admit that I have seen images especially from Swiss who are very appealing.

Lou

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cnb said:
The construction site of what will be the longest train tunnel in the world (see alptransit.ch for more info). This is a future escape tunnel of one of two emergency underground train stations.

Some motion blur, but I think it gives an idea of what it was like down there.

E-PL1 w/ mZD14-42mm @14mm, ISO 1600, f5.6, 1/5s

Cheers
Christa



PS. Some more photos and a short video of the visit to Alptransit are on my Flickr site.

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/ch_cnb/
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I haven't had much success getting a decent picture of the city skyline from this vantage point since the light has to cut through 16 miles of haze and pollution.

Here the lighting was good, the clouds pretty, used a better camera & a graduated filter and the air was (maybe) a little cleaner (?) so this is probably my best attempt so far.

New York City Skyline - from 16 miles out

▼ E-500 ● 14-42mm ● AP ● ISO 100 ● FL 39mm ● f/6.3 ● 1/125" ● -0.3 EV



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'When nothing seems to help, I go and look at a stonecutter hammering away at
his rock perhaps a hundred times without as much as a crack showing in it.
Yet at the hundred and first blow it will split in two,
and I know it was not that blow that did it,
but all that had gone before.'
-- Jacob Riis (1849 - 1914)

Stay Well,
Pete K.
 
First, let me say that I liked your photo : it is confrontational and intense, and the B&W conversion is textbook-material (like Bill already said : whites/greys/blacks).

The composition and crop dictate themselves : there is no margin here for cropping differently without losing elements that are essential in the frame (like the hat and shoes). Moreover, the sloping diagonal from bottom left to top right, leads the eye into the frame and towards the face. Nothing much to improve there.

(If you have a really big file available, then you could IMHO consider a very radical crop, concentrating on the face and hands - I'll show later in this post).

So I decided to play around with your image, in order to give you a RADICAL idea of another approach, because, hey, that is what you asked for. Mind you, I'm not saying it would be an improvement, but it would be different and food for thought.

As always, my version and your original are shown in confrontation with each other, linked from zenfolio for consistency, but of course the copyright remains fully yours. That is clearly stated on my "Crops for Friends" gallery.
Look here: http://roelh.zenfolio.com/p705554721

Anyway, here is your picture and my attempt at an alternative :





Technically, the changes are quite crude, but in my defense I can say that it is not easy to be subtle when you start from a 395Kb JPG file that already has the colour channel information stripped away. From a full-size colour RAW, you could make a better version.

The differences are, I think, quite obvious, and so is the intention : we are going all out for drama here, on the verge of being operatic. And achieving that is quite easy : you just go overboard with the sliders for clarity, blacks levels, recovery, contrast and a few others, topped of with a liberal application of vignetting. This is not to everyone's taste and will look very newspaper-ish, but it does place a huge spotlight on your subject and creates tension that is even harder to ignore.

No further intentions than giving you food for thought.

And here is that radical crop that highlights a different diagonal than yours :



File size even smaller of course (and normally I would have cropped even closer to the hands, but I did not want to cut away your watermark so that dictated my bottom position).

I've got a feeling you (and others) are really going to hate what I did here, but I would like to get the PP discussion going and hear different opinions.

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Roel Hendrickx

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Crop of a much larger image. The bird is a bit too blurry and I don't know if it really is a 'keeper', but I like the range of tones captured and don't quite feel like deleting it.

It is as captured by the camera, except for cropping in software.





Thanks for looking and for your comments.

-Sarang
 
While I like the expression and mood, I think this is a classic case of an image that could be very different with another vantage point.

From the sideways perspective from where you were shooting, we see a vertical alignment of all the interesting bits : the woman of course, and then that slated "roof" above her, and the sash hanging down from the ceiling (Japanese members, please excuse me if these things have very different names, but I just call them roof and sash to make clear what I mean). On the right of that pillar of elements is emptiness. Then comes the paper bag.

If you had stepped to the right, in order to almost face the receptionist directly, I believe her head would have been visible against a less cluttered background, with that roof thing off-set to the right to provide balance in the compositiion.

[EDIT, on second thought and looking again, I think a step to the right would not have resulted in cleaner background : there is lot behind her back. So maybe a step to the left and an even more skewed perspective, to make her head stand out against the square geometry of the paper wall).

Things I do like, are the subdued toning and saturation, and the expression.
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Roel Hendrickx

lots of images : http://www.roelh.zenfolio.com

my E-3 user field report from Tunisian Sahara: http://www.biofos.com/ukpsg/roel.html
 
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1. At first glance there seems to be a rather extreme unbalance (symmetrically), but I feel that that very strong and bold orange, creates a perfect example of asymmetric balance : visually, that orange (on the foreground, moreover) weighs at least as much as all the green to the right of it. This effect is aided by the blown whites on the left.

2. People, action, a bit of motion to tell us this is not a static scene, and finally also some mystery : what is the faceless man doing and where is he going? does he need to rush to an emergency? is that vehicle derailed? etc.

Makes me pause. Makes me think. Good.

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Roel Hendrickx

lots of images : http://www.roelh.zenfolio.com

my E-3 user field report from Tunisian Sahara: http://www.biofos.com/ukpsg/roel.html
 
and well captured.
The natural framing between trees is also an asset.

But it is a bit centered, while we could lose some of the empty foreground and some of the uniformly green undefined trees on the right.
Cropping away from the right and bottom, would improve, I think.

[EDIT:
After commenting with an unbiased mind, I read the other comments.

I notice that Christa gave you almost the same cropping advice and that you acted upon it. It is indeed a vast improvement, I believe, of an already good picture.]

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Roel Hendrickx

lots of images : http://www.roelh.zenfolio.com

my E-3 user field report from Tunisian Sahara: http://www.biofos.com/ukpsg/roel.html
 
Gary,

Beautiful picture - love how the verfy clear detail vanishes into the fog. Excellent B&W conversion.

The front tree root looks quite a bit like a dinosaur. I like the use of a strong foreground image to anchor the picture.

I reallize how hard it is to get proper horizon with water's shores that do not lie on the horizon - but this picture "feels" tilted quite a bit counterclockwise.

Good stuff! Thanks for sharing.
brent
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Thanks,
brent

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Sarang,

It "could" have a deeper meaning: The ominous clouds, the building looking like the bad side of civilization encroaching on nature (even the tree seems about to be swallowed up), and the untraditional shape of the birds wings making it seem like it is expending all effort to escape.

...or...

it could be a blurry shot of a bird against an ugly building and a noisy sky.

If it were me, I would put it aside and see if it sill speaks to me in a year. For myself it is important to know when I am fooling myself in trying to accept a picture that is technically bad (either by PP the heck out of it, or coming up with an artistic impression I do not really feel). It is also important to listen to my inner voice when it is trying to hang onto something (kind of the difference between ego and vision if that makes sense).

brent
sarang675498 said:
It is as captured by the camera, except for cropping in software.





Thanks for looking and for your comments.

-Sarang
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Thanks,
brent

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Hi,

beautiful shot, and great control on tones. It's interesting you made an almost square crop even when the woman is on the lower part of the image, but it works.

I understand if some people ask for a blurred background to isolate the subject, but here the illusion, this is not actually a portrait but kind of a hyperrealistic painting of a woman and her surrounding. Actually it would be interesting to see a version where depth of field allows also background to be totally sharp.

The lighting is great, but the background could be a tiny bit darker to slightly isolate the woman, especially if the background would be inside depth of field.
 
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