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I am thinking of getting a D700 + 24-70 f28 and the Sigma 100-300 f4, but was told by CR Kennedy, the distributors for Sigma here in Australia, that the Sigma 100-300 f4 has been discontinued in the Nikon mount. Is this true? Is there supposed to be an update on the way?

Also, if anyone has this lens, is the focus speed still quite quick in comparison to other Nikon lenses in this range. I have a very extensive Pentax kit with the K-7 and many top grade lenses, but I am thinking of getting the D700 due to the large VF, faster AF, and the other FF advantages are icing on the cake. So, if the Sigma 100-300 is not so quick then there may be little point in getting the Sigma instaed of a Nikon lens.
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I have been using the 100-300 f4 on a Fuji S2 Pro and have just bought a D700 where it performs superbly. It is still listed on http://www.sigmaphoto.com , at $1,800. The lens is tack sharp at both ends, wide open, focuses very quickly, and I also have the 1.4x tele extender. The D700 is a great camera and I'm amazed at the advances in the last six years.
 
Welcome, Lance!

My long lenses are the Sigma 100-300 f4 and the Nikon 300 f/4 AF (not the AF-S versions, the older AF 300.)

The AF-lock speed of the Sigma HSM on the D700 (or even the D90, for that matter) is going to be much better than what you're used to with the SDM 60-250. Night & day, pretty much.

It's also faster to AF than my Nikon 300 f4, but that's not the AF-S version, so you should expect that. In general, you're going to see the real value of Sigma's very fast HSM on these Nikon bodies.

There is some sample variation with this lens, still, but I wouldn't worry about that - nothing lke the 16-50 in the bad old days, but occasionally you do hear about an aperture problem, or a FF/BF problem - pretty rare, though, with the 100-300. It's a Sigma flagship lens and a class-leader.

Here's a thread of mine with some shots to consider:
---> http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1030&message=31618475

(It'll be nice seeing you around the Nikon threads! :) )

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you should, in my opinion rather get the sigma 50-500 os.
pros and cons: aperture 6.3, with spectacular results at 7.1, 8, 9, 10
heavy but hand holdable.
solid feel,
great OS. workable easily upto 1/20 handheld on static subjects.
here's a few pics I took: totally unprocessed except cropping.

sorry, didn't mean to be proselytizing, but hey, its a great lens if you dont need f4, which you wont if you have the iso prince D700.









































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saty
 
Thank you for the very nice image samples from the 50-500.

I have my heart set on the 100-300, but alas, it looks as though Sigma really have discontinued this lens. :-(
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Lance B
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Welcome, Lance!

My long lenses are the Sigma 100-300 f4 and the Nikon 300 f/4 AF (not the AF-S versions, the older AF 300.)

The AF-lock speed of the Sigma HSM on the D700 (or even the D90, for that matter) is going to be much better than what you're used to with the SDM 60-250. Night & day, pretty much.

It's also faster to AF than my Nikon 300 f4, but that's not the AF-S version, so you should expect that. In general, you're going to see the real value of Sigma's very fast HSM on these Nikon bodies.

There is some sample variation with this lens, still, but I wouldn't worry about that - nothing lke the 16-50 in the bad old days, but occasionally you do hear about an aperture problem, or a FF/BF problem - pretty rare, though, with the 100-300. It's a Sigma flagship lens and a class-leader.
Thank you for the great feedback. I was all ready to decide on the 100-300 f4 when I have just had confirmation that the 100-300 f4 has been discontinued. :-(
Stunning image samples!!
(It'll be nice seeing you around the Nikon threads! :) )

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Lance B
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I have been using the 100-300 f4 on a Fuji S2 Pro and have just bought a D700 where it performs superbly. It is still listed on http://www.sigmaphoto.com , at $1,800. The lens is tack sharp at both ends, wide open, focuses very quickly, and I also have the 1.4x tele extender. The D700 is a great camera and I'm amazed at the advances in the last six years.
Thank you very much for the feedback.

I have just been advised and confirmed that the Sigma 100-300 f4 has just been discontinued from Japan. :-(

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Lance B
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Wise move !

I have K-7 but my D700 is night and day compared (and not only for D700 excellent AF).

In my opinion prefer a Nikon lens for the positive and repeatable shot after shot accurate focus.

Bye
Paul
I am thinking of getting a D700 + 24-70 f28 and the Sigma 100-300 f4, but was told by CR Kennedy, the distributors for Sigma here in Australia, that the Sigma 100-300 f4 has been discontinued in the Nikon mount. Is this true? Is there supposed to be an update on the way?

Also, if anyone has this lens, is the focus speed still quite quick in comparison to other Nikon lenses in this range. I have a very extensive Pentax kit with the K-7 and many top grade lenses, but I am thinking of getting the D700 due to the large VF, faster AF, and the other FF advantages are icing on the cake. So, if the Sigma 100-300 is not so quick then there may be little point in getting the Sigma instaed of a Nikon lens.
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Lance B
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The Sigma 100-300 f4 has no in lens stabiolization and therefore Sigma must be going to revamp it to include this.

Coming from Pentax and the K-7 which has in camera SR, I never had to worry about lenses with VR/OS/IS etc and therefore never gave it any thought. Now, it seems, I need to pay attention to such trivialities! ;-)
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Lance B
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Hi Lance,
Welcome to the dark side :-) I made the switch a couple of years ago.

The Sig 100-300 is my go to long solution on both my D300 and 700. With or without OS, it is a superb lens. HSM focus is quick and accurate. IQ is great straight from f4.0, and as you know, it is built like a tank.

If they are releasing an OS version, let's hope they don't succumb to the desire to timker with the design too much.

I'll be watching, but won't trade up until at least a year after introduction. Sigma's first production runs can be problematic.

If you can find a current version, I'd jump on it (assuming you don't need OS).

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Rosco
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Great lens, I bought my used and now regret selling it!

Fast focus, sharp wide open throughout the range. Not as fast as a focuser as the 300mm f/4 af-s or the 70-200 f/2.8 AF-S, but very speedy still.

Pretty compact and hand-holdable, especially after toting around my Bigma around for a while.

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Hi LAnce,

Been meaning to write you for ages. Been following your desire to move laterally to Nikon for a while now and "wjilting" would be an apt description :)

The Sigma 100-300 f4 is, as most everyone described here, is a superb lens. It's AF speed with the D700 is extremely good, bested slightly by some Nikon Silient Wave lenses in this general range...but the combination of focal length range combined with performnce throughtout its range, is hard to beat. If one pixel peeps (at 100%) and is critical, it's only slight weekness is wide open at f4....but a bump in contrast and a bit of extra shapening at 300/f4, goes a long way of equalizing things. It's monor for all intent and puposes. The lens takes Sigm's 1.4x quite well and if used at 300mm, best results are achieved if stopped down a little. I've tested (and used) more than 7 samples since this lens was introduced years ago.

In contrast, the much larger and heavier Sigma 120-300 f2.8 (which I've also extensively used) is generally in the same ballpark as its little brother but has the edge at 120mm wide open and can even tolerate using Sigma's 1.4x wide open if necessary in critical situations (where the 100-300 f4 and 1.4x, does require some stopping down. Keep in mind, I don't generally like teleconverters for most aplications, so I am critical when describing performance.

Here is where Sigma's HSM deviates from Nikon's Silent Wave in terms of AF....namely that the AF "Stepping" when using "C" (continuous) AF is in incrementally larger steps (especially noticable on the 120-300 f2.8 moreso than the 100-300 f4) and when shooting moving subjects....the Af (due to this larger stepping) can sometimes not keep up as precisely as Nikon's best...and the differences in these types of situations can be readily detected and seen in resulting images.

There are still some new 100-300 f4 SIgma's around, although hard to come by. I just recently picked up one to replace an older one I had, which was given to another photographer. The much bigger and heavier Sigma 120-300 f12.8 of course is readily around...with a friend of unintentionally ending up with two new ones (will sell one at a great price).

My gut feeling is Sigma may not be updating this lens due to a number of reasons. They may feel their upcoming new 70-200 f2.8 is sufficiently imporved, so that with their 1.4x, it is essentially a 100-300 f4 and they now have other longer range OS zooms that also fill these focal length ranges (abeit slower). The Nikon 70-200 f2.8 VR with f1.4x almost fills this gap (a 100-300 f4) and it's one of those rare time that I feel a teleconverter does justice to a zoom lens.....but with its focal length "breathing"...at close to short mid-distances....it falls somewhat short of a true 300mm...so the Sigma 100-300 f4 still has that edge.

Lastly I have an aquintence that also recently (last couple of months) purchased a brand new Sigma 100-300 f4 (for Nikon) but has moved onto Canon...so I'm not sure what he's eventually going to do with his lens.

Lastly, if you pick up the Sigma...don't attempt to glue it to your K-7 :)

Dave
 
Lance, seems even my "hiding out" and writing in a different forum, can't hide my spelling mistakes :)

What I meant to say in previous post was that "wilting"" would be an apt description of your slowly caving in to trying "Nikon".
 
Guess I'm rushing here before heading offf and so lots of small errors in my original post.

What I meant to say is Sigma's 120-300 f2.8 when used with Sigma's 1.4x has the edge when used at 300mm, when compared to using the 1.4x on the 100-300 f4. With the 120-300 f2.8 lens, use of the 1.4x at 300mm can be adaquate without stopping down....but when the 1.4x is sued on the 100-300 f4, stopping down is required in my opinion. The edge in performance wide open at 300mm goes to the 120-300 f2.8..but of course we're talking about apples and oranges when comparing the size/weight and price of these lenses.

Dave
 
Hey Dave,

So you have moved to Nikon, too. I wondered where you went.

You're a great source of information and the valuable info given here is no exception! I think I may try the 1.4x TC on the 70-200 VRII as this will mean a lighter wieght bag! ;-) I am already worried about the weight and size of the D700 compared to my diminutive K-7, but as I usually use it with battery grip, then the difference isn't so great.

As a matter of interest, does the 1.4x TC reduce AF speed at all or by much?

What are your thoughts about Nikon compared to Pentax? I really am looking for guidance and I value your opinion greatly.
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Hi Lance....

LOL, Yes, I moved to Nikon...about 33 years ago! Been shooting both systems professionally (Nikon & Pentax) for almost that long. Pentax, especially in the digital era unfortunately wasn't able to keep up in areas that were/are Nikon and Canon strenths, especially in some demanding performance areas..no matter how much one compensated. It's in these more demanding areas where once you become comfotable with the Nikon system, you'll readily see and appreciate the tremenous differences. When shooting causally for yourself, then often a smaller more familiar system may appeal to you more. It depends what your objectives are. I shoot Leica when it's basically for myself (and some artistic type jobs)...but would never think using that syetem when it's not the right tool for the job. Often Penatx in many demanding situations fell short....but that didn't mean I didn't use or admire what they offered when it was appropriate for the task/ These differences (using Pentax vs. Nikon/Canon) have becomes even more pronouced in the last 5-8 years.

Use of the Nikon 1.4x with the 70-200 VRII doesn't reduce Af speed appreciably and isn't much of a concern, so no worries in that regard. Aside from VR, I will say that I still gravitate to the Sigma 100-300 f4 (a favorite of mine)...but as a zoom/teleconverter combo...it's hard to beat the 70-200 f2.8/1.4x for shear performance...abeit with slightly less reach, depending on camera to subject distance.

I know the lenses you're most used to and their performance characteristics, and in most cases, an equivelenet can be found in the Nikon system (or sometimes 3rd party alternatives)...and often in some cases with marked and distinct advantages.

LIke anything else, everything is a tradeoff...size/price/performance.....and yes, a whole different world of wonderful and unique primes...abeit bigger and different than the Pentax system, since that I know is also of particular interest.

Dave
 
Lance,

As for size, I am used to the D# sized bodies, having used F5, original Nikon D1 and all bodies since then. When I use the D700, I've always had the grip on (especially for the larger battery use)...but the D700 without grip isn't all that different than a K-7 with grip.

Dave
 

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