I was censored on AlphaMountWorld.com forum

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I was banned from his forum also. If he don't agree with ya, he bans you. I am sure that he know that you and I can still access his site with a proxy server. Not that I care to ever go to his site again. I get all the info I need from dpreview.
 
Our forum doesn't cater to personal vendetta. You were not a contributor there, your first post was about an issue you clearly need to resolve with someone else.

And I don't see how DPR has anything to do with you getting banned on our site?

Maybe they should ban you here too? :)

Life sucks, you can always ask for a refund.
Normally I think you're right on point with your actions and words... but I think you missed the base on this one. Actually, I think you missed the whole damn field. Removing the negative voice (or the positive one for that matter) just because it disagrees with you is doing a blatant and complete disservice to everyone who logs onto your site and reads what is said there.

Thumbs down Carl, thumbs down.
 
I was banned from his forum also. If he don't agree with ya, he bans you. I am sure that he know that you and I can still access his site with a proxy server. Not that I care to ever go to his site again. I get all the info I need from dpreview.
Let him bannish the opposition. Let him delete the disagreeable.

Remember, AMW is his pond to play in.

Oh, and in the long term, the lack of argument/disagreement on a forum will quickly inform even the most casual viewer that the forum owner is a shill for his friends/family etc.

DPR is successful because arguments/disagreements are alllowed.... maybe even encouraged.
 
Not in this case, no.

If you knew the details more, you'd agree. End of this discussion.
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You could have let the OP go but you chose to defend your site (which I agree with 100%) and now you must follow up on the other half of that process by detailing the whole story from the vendors POV. I think at this point with everything said and alluded to, it might be in your best interest to simply give a synopsis, albeit brief, of the vendors version of this story. We now have doubt about this vendor (folks may not want to do business with them which could ultimately hurt you financially you and your site). I am not saying I agree with the version that the OP posted but without a counter version people have a right to wonder if this is a legit vendor that has solid customer service.
 
I side with Carl on this issue - this is obviously a contentious issue & the poster attempted to bad mouth the dealer with his first posting & he has taken the opportunity to do so on forums other than this one. (Posters should always bare in mind that they can be sued for libel even when this is committed on the Internet & anyone who appears to condone a libel by allowing it to be printed may also be liable)

Website owners are not obliged to give contributors a freehand in settling legal disputes - if the poster has a good case he is open to getting legal redress. Carl has no way for certain of knowing what the truth is but his dealing with the dealer probably gives him greater insight than any of us & I, for one , am prepared to accept his judgment in this particular case.
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I am.

After posting my experience on DPR and another forum, and after getting good advice from forum members on how I should proceed, I am pursuing my case through the following channels:

Utah Attorney General
Utah Division of Consumer Protection
Utah Better Business Bureau
Alpine Police Department in Utah

and have contacted the vendor that I am doing so.
if the poster has a good case he is open to getting legal redress.
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What's the point on running a forum if you don't allow for other people points of view?

I haven't read the post but if your only interested in your own opinion don't call it a forum.
 
You have it established, I am sure for many reasons, one of which is to be successful and profitable.

No advertiser wants to advertise somewhere where they will be allowed to be unfairly blasted all of the time.

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Banning the guy is not the solution. If what he claimed is not true it will bow to everyone very quickly. If the guy is right, then Carl is the one gonna look bad.
 
First, Carl does a damn good job with his web site, and I for one am very grateful to him for the service he provides. As the owner and controller of the web-site he must control it as he sees fit, and if any user dislikes his control they should stop using the site; it would be reasonable to tell Carl why though. I do not know anything about the offending post, but Carl's defence here seems reasonable.

Secondly, there is no reason why the internet should be free of controls, and that means that web-site owners must police, or censor, information that would be harmful to others or themselves. Getting involved in conflicts that may involve litigation is a sure way for a web-site owner to create trouble for himself. The only really difficult problem that the internet, and particularly a forum on it, creates is that the content is added and seen in differing countries, which have different laws and customs. However, there is no reason why the criminal and civil laws of all countries cannot be applied to the content found on the internet, and there are many reasons why such laws should be applied; unfettered free speech is a very bad thing. As far as I can see, Carl is being eminently sensible in trying to avoid vitriolic attacks on people and companies that appear on his site; criticism can be a very tricky thing to get right. I have no criticism to make of Carl in this regard, even if he has smacked the back of my legs when I have been a naughty boy.

As a postscript, I would also add that there has been much criticism of Carl for dropping his reviews of Sony Alpha equipment for the forseeable future, and I feel that much of that too has been quite unfair. Anyone can think of a dozen good reasons why he might have to do that in about as many seconds, and I respect his motives for not making his reasons public. Nobody is perfect, and I am sure Carl isn't any more than I am, but all I, and most of us, know of him is through his web-site, and on that he has done a very, very good job.
 
You should make your own website and let him post there then. You didn't even see his post, or hear the other side.

This guy has posted two threads on DPR about being banned on my site, one at the fourthirds forum (that I know of) and emailed me through 3 separate channels to tell me how unfair and whatever my banning him was.

What he posted on our site hasn't been posted anywhere else, you might ask him to do that and then talk to spencers yourself it you really want some truth behind the matter.

Otherwise saying I am in the wrong without knowing the details of this, is quite dubious.

I still don't know what his vendetta has to do with AMW or my banning him there has anything do with boards on DPR?

C
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our site could care less. If the BBB had an issue with Spencer's I'd have known it, or the State of Utah, I would have known it. Either are not pursing Spencers, you do the math.

Carl
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Yet in fairness the BBB does have one case on file against them for "non-delivery" Case was resolved with the consumer which in my book bodes well for the business. No details so don't know if it's the OP's case or yet another. But it does make you wonder.

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Yeah.

And this whole thread has nothing to do with the Sony DSLR forum at all, and in my opinion should be deleted from this forum.

C
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Sort of agree with you but still an interesting debate that provides useful insight to Sony users. Censorship, right or wrong (if that's possible) is always going to be a hot topic. But enough of this for now, my Hawk shots are done downloading so time to do some work.

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