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For the same specifications: ( like i7 , Blue-ray, hard disk capacity, RAM memory, graphics, HDMI connections, etc.) witch will be you choice, money no objection?
Warranty, reliability, expandability, will be a criteria.

This, because I want to buy a great desktop already prepared for photo and movies editing and for general purposes. No gaming.
On a small worth:
THE BEST.
Kind regards Joao
 
I would select all the components manually and assemble the pc myself (or have a computer shop that offers an assembly-service do it, if you don't want to do it yourself).

Specifications wise i'd go for the new i7 6-core CPU with 12 GB RAM (3x 4GB, the i7 likes RAM in 3 equal chunks due to its triple channel setup). As hard-disk i'd buy a decently sized SSD for my OS and software and one or two large (1~2 TB) disks for my pictures and data. Don't forget a decent 1 TB external drive for backups! The graphics card is the trickiest to select. Since gaming is not required, your best bet will actually be to go for a cheap one: the Radeon HD5470 uses very little power and can be cooled without a fan: less noise is good! It can assist the CPU in playback of HD video material (not that the CPU needs it) and it offers connections for up to 3 monitors (including at least 1 HDMI, depending on the brand of the card).

A blu-ray drive is useful too. I wouldn't get a blu-ray burner, since external harddisks and USB-sticks work well enough for my portable-data-needs, but you might feel differently. Buy as big a case as you can fit underneath your desk (or wherever you keep your pc) to leave room for expansion. Get a high-end power supply, so you can add more components later if you want and because high-end supplies are more efficient (= less power lost, which saves you money and cooling noise).

Keyboard, mouse and speakers are rather personal, get the ones you like. For a monitor, don't get a monitor with a TN panel, they cover the entry-level market, but are the least favourable for photo-editing.

Have fun :)
For the same specifications: ( like i7 , Blue-ray, hard disk capacity, RAM memory, graphics, HDMI connections, etc.) witch will be you choice, money no objection?
Warranty, reliability, expandability, will be a criteria.

This, because I want to buy a great desktop already prepared for photo and movies editing and for general purposes. No gaming.
On a small worth:
THE BEST.
Kind regards Joao
 
Start here, then tune to taste. By default, it's using a system with a full tower case with a motherboard supporting the newer SATA III and USB 3.0 standards with an Intel Core i7 980EX Extreme CPU (6 physical cores + 6 virtual cores via HT), overclocked 30% with 12GB of memory, liquid cooling, dual liquid cooled video cards (two high end cards installed that way), SSD for boot drive, etc., and comes with a 3 year warranty.

I'd probably swap the boot drive to an Intel and scale back on the two liquid cooled video cards unless you're into very hard core gaming (going with something like a single Nvidia card instead).

http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/Black_Mamba/

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Thank you very much Gideon.

You know, I just use computers and don't know how to build one. Neither in my country I am aware of any reliable person or shop on witch I can trust. This is why I am seeking for a brand computer. Here, unlike in other countries, we don't have the possibility of configuring ourselves the PC we wish, over a basic one.

I am aware of the monitor issue and it is because of this that I am going to buy a new one to replace my 22" Samsung. May be a DELL 2410 which is available here and is an ISP?
Can you help anyway?
Kind regards.
 
If you want the fastest PC you can get, with an unlimited budget then I would make these suggestions:

One of the top end i7 processors. The i7-980 extreme 3.33ghz, 6 cores is the best but unless you really do have an unlimited budget the i7-960 is probably a better choice!

Plenty of RAM - it has to be triple channel for the i7 processors so you may as well go for 12gb. (Corsair XMS3)

I would also go for an SSD: Intel x-25m 160gb, with magnetic hard drives for storage (such as Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB).
For the same specifications: ( like i7 , Blue-ray, hard disk capacity, RAM memory, graphics, HDMI connections, etc.) witch will be you choice, money no objection?
Warranty, reliability, expandability, will be a criteria.

This, because I want to buy a great desktop already prepared for photo and movies editing and for general purposes. No gaming.
On a small worth:
THE BEST.
Kind regards Joao
 
It looks like the default config is using two Kingston SSDs in a RAID 0 config. I'd probably go with dual Intel SSD drives instead if you want to go that route. But, note that the trim function won't work on SSDs in a RAID 0 config (but, you may not care, as I've seen reports that dual Intel SSDs in a RAID 0 config are very fast that way, even after using them for a while). The dual Corsair Nova option in a RAID 0 config also looks interesting (although that's going to add over $1200 to the price of the base config if you go that route).

http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/Black_Mamba/

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Hi and all:

Many thanks for your kindness. Like I have said on the previous answer, I don't know how to built a computer like that one. It sounds wonderful. Is there any PC with those or similar characteristics?
Warm regards.
 
P.S.

If money is no object, you can find systems that are much faster. For example, some builders offer motherboards supporting two of those CPU types now, with even more memory, and you could go with faster drive types.

I'd give members a better idea of budget for better responses, as you can spend just about as much as you want to on a PC from some of the custom builders now if you're trying to find something that gives you "bragging rights" as having the fastest box around. ;-)

Personally, I'd go with something a lot less expensive (for example, something like a Core i7 860 or Core i7 930 based box).

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Thanks Jim.
I agree with your last sentence. Can you, pleas recommend Brand(s) and Model(s)?
I will be very grateful if you could.

PS: You have already made a very wise suggestion on another threat, witch I followed about eSata external hard drive.
Thanks again.
 
Do you have a budget in mind? Give us a number to work with. ;-)

You can spend a lot or a little on a PC, as there are many variables involved (CPU type/speed, motherboard features, power supply, case, type/number/size of disk drives, memory amount/speed, video card speed, etc. You could easily spend $10,000 on a PC.

You'd probably get more "bang for the buck" with better components going with a custom builder. You're in Portugal, right? These guys are in the U.S and the U.K. So, I'd see if they ship to Portugal (I suspect they do). I know someone in the UK that used them for a Core i7 920 based box, and they were quite pleased with PC (build quality, performance, etc.).

Here's a sample system using one of the configurators using a relatively decent Mid tower Case, a higher end Motherboard with USB 3.0, a very efficient PSU (tests quite well), 3GB of total storage (1TB drive for OS and Programs, 2TB drive for data), 12GB of 1600Mhz DDR3, a Blu-Ray writer, with Win 7 Pro (under software). I added in their Extreme Overclocking Option (and that MB and RAM combo should be fine with it, as they only take them to around 30% over stock speed). I went with a mid range Video Card (1GB Nvidia GTS 250) since you say you're not into gaming, and stuck with a very highly rated 650 Watt PSU since you probably don't need more with that kind of config.

http://www.cyberpowersystem.co.uk/saving/show.aspx?id=197636

But, there are many ways to approach it. For example, you may want to go with SSDs for the drive with operating system and programs for better load times, a higher end video card, etc. I'd give us a better idea of what kind of budget you have in mind.

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I'd give us a better idea of what kind of budget you have in mind.
IOW, you could easily put together a less expensive system, too. For example, a less expensive motherboard, lower priced memory, less powerful video card, less drive storage, no overclocking, etc. There are many ways to approach buying a new PC. ;-)

That system was just a mid range example of one using relatively good components (Motherboard, memory type, etc.). But, there are less or more expensive ways to approach it, depending on how much performance you want.
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For the same specifications: ( like i7 , Blue-ray, hard disk capacity, RAM memory, graphics, HDMI connections, etc.) witch will be you choice, money no objection?
Warranty, reliability, expandability, will be a criteria.

This, because I want to buy a great desktop already prepared for photo and movies editing and for general purposes. No gaming.
Every mid- and high-end PC these days comes "prepared for photo and movies editing".

Hard disk capacity, a Blu-ray recorder, etc., are all a matter of personal preference. No sense in wasting money on 10 terabyes of storage if you're not going to use them, no sense in getting 16 GB of RAM if you're going to run a 32-bit OS (that won't really use more than 3.5 GB), no sense in getting HDMI connectors if you're not going to watch Blu-ray movies on that system, etc., etc..

Having a dual- or tri-core CPU will provide a noticeable improvement over a single-core CPU, but beyond that (3 cores) you are unlikely to notice any difference in interactive performance. A lot of filters will only use one CPU core, so a dual-core model running at 3 GHz is frequently faster than a six-core model running at 2 GHz. Video transcoders will generally use all cores, but if you want the system to edit video (and not rip DVDs), you won't spend much time transcoding.

Photo editing is more about having a good monitor than anything else. Movie editing is rather vague, depends on the video format you will be using. Most consumer formats can be edited even on laptops, these days (if you don't mind the crappy screen quality of most laptops).

Ignore the nonsensical recommendations some people are making (a couple are actually suggesting that you should "start" with hardware that doesn't even exist yet). Get any system described as a "workstation" from any major manufacturer (HP, Dell, etc.) and you'll be fine. Just make sure you get a good monitor.
 
Having a dual- or tri-core CPU will provide a noticeable improvement over a single-core CPU, but beyond that (3 cores) you are unlikely to notice any difference in interactive performance. A lot of filters will only use one CPU core, so a dual-core model running at 3 GHz is frequently faster than a six-core model running at 2 GHz. Video transcoders will generally use all cores, but if you want the system to edit video (and not rip DVDs), you won't spend much time transcoding.
Benchmarks:

Applying 6 filters to a TIFF file with CS4:

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2009-desktop-cpu-charts-update-1/Adobe-Photoshop-CS-4,1387.html

Video Editing using CS4 Premiere:

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2009-desktop-cpu-charts-update-1/Adobe-Premiere-Pro-CS4,1404.html

Here's what they measure (a bit of a mixture of things including :

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/266703-28-what-adobe-premiere-benchmark#t1982343

For both still images and video, it depends on the formats you're working with and what you want to do. I've got a Dell box with an Intel Core 2 Quad (Q6600) in it that I find is down right slow working with larger files from some newer cameras (for example, the Sony A850). I've got another Dell Box with a 2.8Ghz AMD Athlon X2 dual core CPU (X2 240) in it that's very frustrating to use with the same files when I'm trying to go through hundreds of raw + jpeg images.

Whether or not it's worth it to someone to get the fastest CPU for that kind of thing depends on how important their time is to them. Ditto for things like faster drives, etc.

Personally, I'd get a box using a Core i7 930 or Core i7 860 if buying a new system right now, as there is a pretty good price jump if you want a new Core i7 980x, as it's currently selling for $1099.99 at newegg.com (and you can buy a Core i7 930 or Core i7 860 for under $300).

But, there are faster ways to approach it, depending on how much you want to spend.
..."start" with hardware that doesn't even exist yet
Here's the new Intel Core i7 980x. It's been reviewed by a number of sites (as you can see from the above benchmarks that include it), and it's already shipping and in stock at some dealers (as you can see from the user reviews in this listing at newegg.com):

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115223&cm_re=core_i7_980x-_-19-115-223-_-Product

Would I buy one? Nah. I'd get a system within a more reasonable budget for my current needs. But, the OP did say "money no objection". ;-)

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Tom's Hardware is (and has been, for the past 9 or 10 years) a joke (after the good writers were kicked out for refusing to change their reviews to please the sponsors).

My advice isn't based on website benchmarks run by people who make a living writing fluff to fill the space between the ads, it's based on having worked as a video codec programmer, video editor, post-producer and photographer over the past 17 years or so.

If you're trying to put togehter a system to edit uncompressed HD, then yes, you need to go for some pretty extreme hardware (and be prepared to respec as you discover incompatibilities that no one had run into before). I've designed a couple of uncompressed HD workstations and it felt like I was back in 1997, when you simply could not get hardware fast enough to handle the amount of data involved, even when the specs said it should be 50% faster than what was necessary.

For consumer video formats, like DV, DVCPRO, HDV, etc., any decent modern workstation will do. For 90% of the time you spend editing, your CPU is either completely idle or simply playing back a couple of video and audio streams. Stacking 10 or 20 effects on one clip and then rendering it over and over is not video editing. Most professional video projects will not have any effects applied to the video while editing, except possibly the occasional fade-in or fade-out.

The same goes for applying multiple filters to a single image. Normal people will try a filter, look at the result, remove it, look at it again, try it with different settings, etc., and then maybe try a different one. In the end, your CPU was working for 10% of the total time you spent editing that image. The time it takes to apply a ton of random filters in sequence is completely irrelevant to the way people actually work.

Get a better monitor, a better camera, better lenses. Those are the things that will make a real difference.

When someone says "money is not an issue" it just means that person has no idea how expensive high-end equipment can be.
 
For the same specifications: ( like i7 , Blue-ray, hard disk capacity, RAM memory, graphics, HDMI connections, etc.) witch will be you choice, money no objection?
Warranty, reliability, expandability, will be a criteria.

This, because I want to buy a great desktop already prepared for photo and movies editing and for general purposes. No gaming.
On a small worth:
THE BEST.
Kind regards Joao
A custom build would almost certainly be better and could be configured faster.

Money no object, the following build would blow anything out of the water:

Core i7 CPU (MHz really don't matter, get what you can afford)
12GB of DDR3 ram (3x4GB)
1xIntel 80GB X25M SSD for OS (Windows 7 Pro)
1xIntel 80GB X25M SSD Program Files (yes, you can move it during installation)

1xOCZ Vertex 60GB SSD (Lightroom Catalog + Photoshop Scratch Disk + Windows Swap File)

2xWD Black 2TB HDD in Raid1 (speeds up reading and also acts as failsafe for drive failure) for data storage.

1x2TB external USB2.0 or ESATA HDD for backup (use Microsoft SyncToy... it's free and excellent for backup).

Sapphire ATI Radeon 5770HD Vapor-X Video Card(quiet, 1GB RAM, DirectX11) and relatively inexpensive
OCZ 750W Modular Power Supply
Optical drives of your choice
Antec P180 case
Rosewill Internal Card Reader
 
Suit yourself. But, I see people complaining about their PCs choking all the time. I also see them reporting how much faster their new PCs are after upgrading (especially those working with larger images that go with a Core i7 based PC).

I'm thinking about getting a new PC myself soon, as my current PCs are just too slow (and some of it is CPU bound), and I hate waiting on images to render, etc. I've been working with a lot of files from a Sony A850 lately, and you can really feel the need for a faster PC working with them.
When someone says "money is not an issue" it just means that person has no idea how expensive high-end equipment can be.
Perhaps. That's why I suggested he give members here a better idea of budget. ;-)

That's also why I suggested a far less expensive alternative in this post:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1004&message=35001509

http://www.cyberpowersystem.co.uk/saving/show.aspx?id=197636

That case gets great reviews and helps components stay cool. Here's a 6 page review of it that includes some temperature testing:

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/cm_storm/

That motherboard is well liked by users and is one of only two options that vendor (cyberpowerpc in the UK) offers with support for the newer 6Gpbs SATA and 5Gbps USB 3.0 standards (and it also has nice tools for overclocking).

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131614&Tpk=P6X58D

If I were building a new system and had the budget, I'd get a board with support for those newer standards, especially if I were planning on keeping one for a while, since faster and faster SSDs will surely come out as time passes, and we're already seeing USB 3.0 devices on shelves. You could add cards later. But, I'd just get a board that already supports those features. That board also works with the Gulftown CPUs straight from the box.

The PSU I suggested also gets great reviews. Here's one from someone that's got a reputation for being very tough in his PSU reviews:

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=169

The Nvidia GTS 250 is a decent mid range video card. You could choose something else if desired. Personally, I prefer Nvidia chipsets since I run both Linux and Windows (and with some Windows apps for transcoding video, CUDA support can improve performance). I've also seen less in the way of problems (drivers, temperature, etc.) reported with the GTS 250 versus some of their other chipsets. But, there are faster cards if you want them (and as time passes, I'd expect more applications to support GPU acceleration). I also use VirtualBox so I can run more than one OS at the same time, and it has experimental hardware 3D acceleration now, too. So, it's not just CS4 that can use the GPU.

Heck, I've been working with a lot of larger raw files lately and trying to find faster ways of going through them and easily seeing 100% viewing size to scroll around and check sharpness, and found that Fast Picture Viewer even has GPU acceleration to help out that process now (it's very good for rendering full size raw files faster than most viewers).

As time passes, I'd expect more applications to be written more efficiently (spinning off more threads) to take advantage of more CPU cores, too. We're already seeing that with a number of applications (including many raw converters and video transcoding tools). Running more than one application at a time can also benefit from more cores. Ditto for more memory. I've got 6GB installed in two boxes now, and I'll probably go more with the next system I buy (since I like having more than one OS running at the same time which eats up memory, and the OS should use any spare memory for disk cache to speed up things, too).

As for the vendor, you can find more expensive. But, I doubt you'll find many that give you the same components at lower prices if they're building it for you and including a 3 year warranty. I know more than one user that's used them before (including in the UK), and they were pleased with their systems (including someone that reported his results to me after getting a Core i7 920 based box from them when I suggested he try them, letting me know that it was a quality build, and worked just fine, and he got it for about what he was going to spend on the components to build it himself in the UK).

Since the OP is in Europe, I suggested he take a look at them.

Sure, you could spend less, or spend more for a system. If you go Dell, they're not exactly cheap for their Workstation line, and I see pretty "slim pickings" for desktops in the home lineup at Dell Portugal's web site right now (I checked it earlier today and I only saw one box with a Core i7 CPU in their home lineup, and it was using a cheaper case design, lower wattage PSU, very little expandability, etc.

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P.S.

I'm not against going Dell at all. For example, I've got 4 different Dell machines, including one with a 3Ghz P4, one with a Q6600 (2.4Ghz Core 2 Quad), one with an AMD Athlon X2 240 (2.8Ghz Dual core) and my wife's laptop (Inspiron 1720 with an Intel Core 2 Duo in it. I bought them all refurbished from Dell Outlet.

They're cheaper boxes from Dell's home lineup (and I got them all at bargain basement prices, using coupon codes for extra discounts), and they all have a few negatives compared to building your own. For example, they've got a relatively locked down BIOS (no overclocking); cheap PSUs but they're easily replaced (I swapped the PSU in my latest Dell for one with higher wattage, more connections, etc.); and not a lot of internal expandability. Now, you can find pretty good deals that way (in the U.S.) if you're a good shopper and take advantage of coupon code discounts (going refurb from Dell Outlet), as long as you're aware of their restrictions and performance limitations.

However, I see pretty slim pickings for desktops at Dell Home in Portugal, with no equivalent to something like the Dell XPS 9000 sold in the U.S. from what I saw, and I can imagine that their Precision workstation line is going to be pricey (as it is here in the U.S.). So, from my perspective (i.e., if I were in the OP's shoes in Portugal), I'd just go with a custom builder instead.

If he likes Dell, then this is the only box I see with a Core i7 CPU in their home lineup right now:

http://www1.euro.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/desktop-studioxps-435mt?c=pt&cs=ptdhs1&l=pt&s=dhs

But, the last person I know that priced one in the UK found that they could get more for the money by going with a custom build from cyberpower there instead (better PSU, more expandability, faster memory, better Motherboard with overclockable BIOS, and more).

I didn't try to look at the Precision boxes with Nehalem based Xeon or Core i7 CPUs (as they're probably very pricey, and personally, I'd build my own or go with a custom builder versus buying one). IOW, I just don't see them as a good value (although I can understand if you do).

It all depends on what he wants to spend and how much is time his worth to him (as sometimes a little more performance can cost a lot more, depending on the system you're considering). But, personally, I'd go Core i7 if buying a new box.

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Whether you DIY or OEM it the end result is the same, 6 months later a new BEST PC will be out, and a year later application X will version up and be more resource intensive. BUild the best you can when you are building and dont worry too hard about 'future proofing'.
 
You know what? Now I am totally confused. I am not a computer expert, just an Hospital CEO.
I have to think about reading all your answers carefully.

Anyway, what I was asking for was a desktop commercial available or almost ready to go to the market.
Warranty and technical assistance if something goes wrong is a must.

My Laptop is a Vaio Series F, with windows 7 64BT and an Intel i7. It also has a blue-ray and an ESATA port. 8GB RAM and 500 GM hard disk.

Anyway, I have to thank everybody for the support you gave me and for the time you so generously spent.

If someone still can recommend a commercially available desktop with top characteristics, at least like the Vaio I own, I will be very grateful.
Kind regards
 
My Laptop is a Vaio Series F, with windows 7 64BT and an Intel i7. It also has a blue-ray and an ESATA port. 8GB RAM and 500 GM hard disk.
In that case, why not get an external monitor, keyboard, and mouse ... and use them with the laptop that you already own?
 

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