Firmware firmware, everywhere there's firmware

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I simply want to trade because of the firmware
updates!! I feel sooo left out.

Reality is I bought a camera that does work for me.
I certainly wouldn't claim is superior to anything.

I do envy the d700, just a different critter.
But you already knew that.

Sony won't do a firmware update no matter how much
we yak about it on these boards.They will only do it if THEY
want to.

Sniff sniff...I think this horse is dead.
Maybe not quite. You bought a studio camera. Maybe a landscape camera.

People have made and people have bought specialty cameras forever.

What camera should you buy? Perhaps you need to look at medium format. That's what the A900 competes with.

Different horses for different courses.

I doubt many Canon or Nikon owners would trade theirs for an A900.

Oh, wait. We already know that not many have.

Now how many that couldn't afford a Hassy bought the A900? Probably a good dozen, which would account for a significant percent of sales.

That and a raft of Sony fans who have enough money to buy bragging rights to the cheapest full frame dslr in cameradom.
 
Thanks Lucas.

Trust me, the last thing I want is to move on or see the unthinkable happen.

But, I'm also not in denial to what has happened of late. I'd definitely been led to believe, just like everyone else involved in Alpha, that Sony is in this for the long run and that serious shooters would be taken care of.

So, I am just as surprised or shocked, or whatever you want to call it to see all the things I've seen - last year, and with items in models removed, and lack of some token of gratitude in a firmware update, whatever.
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I understand what you're feeling, Carl. I guess we are all worried and anxiouslly in need of good news.
Let's hope for the best and be prepared for whatever shows up...!

... Lucas

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As luck would have it our brand rumour site has just announced that there should be a fw update for the A850 and A900 in March. There are three possibilities:

i. Utter BS

ii. True but a dumb update

iii. True and a useful update, crippled A mode for example.

I wonder if anyone here who was saying that the FF cameras don't need an update suddenly change their minds...

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Well I don't know, we have to see it first to believe it I think, did Sony finally listen to us ?? did we complain enough for that ? it should be the other way around, Sony should give improvement of there own without almost a strike and many complains of there customers ! there are also other camera's that can be improved like the A500/A550 exemple : turn the NR off and so on, will Sony support also the lower entry camera's ???
only then I will start to believe that Sony has changed.
As luck would have it our brand rumour site has just announced that there should be a fw update for the A850 and A900 in March. There are three possibilities:

i. Utter BS

ii. True but a dumb update

iii. True and a useful update, crippled A mode for example.

I wonder if anyone here who was saying that the FF cameras don't need an update suddenly change their minds...

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That's the route I took also

I then got also much deeper in the sytem by investing in the top CZ and Sony lenses.

so, the strategy of Sony worked.

The A900 is that good that to get the best out of it you want (need)the best lenses

Now, let's see they keep up with the awakened interest and keep their customers served.

As I already stated in a previous started thread by myself about firmware it is about the trust we have and keep in sony.

And pro's - high level amateurs will start thinking over twice to invest in Sony seeing the support I believe.

I know I would.
I think the Sony dslr division is being run on a shoestring and they don't have the resources to do a fw update. The 700 probably didn't make money for them and they are leery about putting resources into a replacement. Look at lenses, do you really believe that the one lady doing the 300 2.8 is the reason for its cost; more likely they had leftover stock and tried to keep demand low because they couldn't machine new stock. Lets give sony dslr division a pat on the back for even existing, they are competing with a 3d mentality group.
First let me say I am speaking with regard to my situation. YMMV.

If Sony isn't going to able to compete with the like of Canon/Nikon then I wish they had never tried. I was modestly invested in the A-mount when Sony took over. I was so impressed with the A700 & A900 that I bought into the A-mount much deeper (70200G, 70300G, 2X TC, 11-18, VG). These cameras gave me the apparently wrong impression that Sony "got it". If I had know that the A700 is likely going to be the high watermark of the Sony APS-C cameras I would have switched brands.

I really hope I am wrong and Sony does get it.

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I clearly remember a 4-5 years ago Sony abandoning their V3 advanced P&S, never to come back to it and totally surrending (THRIVING!) that market share to Canon Gxx in a meantime pumping out volumes of clone a like P&S cameras.
Agree; i often mention V3 as a nice example as well.

Same goes for R1 which IMHO had a great potential among more advanced users but it needed few improvements (heck i have a900 and d700 but would like to have an R2 as well)

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I'm not sure that anyone said it didnt need an update, although I stand to be corrected. There are some like me who were happy with the A900 in its current form (while happy to see any improvements) and didnt therefore consider it a "crippled" camera as other's saw it.

If true (and that's a big if) it will be interesting to see what is in it. If it addresses some of the issues raised on this forum (a-mode etc) then that may put a few peoples mind at ease.

If it isn't well ho, and indeed, hum.
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If Sony truly are several months or quarters away from releasing the A7xx camera and even further (1 yr +) from upgrading the FF line, they could be reasoning that by issuing a firmware to the FF's they will increase sales of those cameras and possible convince more people to switch to FF as well as silence some critics.

It would all come down to what the firmware would do, but a firmware upgrade would certainly be cheaper and faster for Sony than designing and bringing a a new camera to market...
 
Hi,

I'm extremely happy with my A350 as it is - no firmware update needed! Mind you, I wouldn't mind updating the body to an A850....when I can afford it :)

Abb
 
did Sony release it to silence critics because of all the comments made, or because they really genuinely wanted to improve the product for them?

It really doesn't matter I suppose as long as users get some sort of FW upgrade, but I wonder if it would have happened at all if people didn't voice concerns?

Assuming it happens, but I think we'll see chickens water ski before that happens.

Hope I'm wrong, hope Alpha users get what they deserve.

Soon as its announced, and we see that the FW upgrade is decent, I'll gladly eat some crow here and on our site.

Carl
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Ahh I see so they didn't answer you and aren't listening to you so you've joined the the rest that just post here to keep the noise level high on this forum. I see

Well it's not me thats spun this. this firmware release was solely to make this cameras video useable without further processing.... That their ciusomers shouldn't have had to do. The people that bought these for Video and were stuck with them are quite happy.... or will be if Canon releases this. If it works... and It doesn't break anything else. You have spun this as Conon "looking after their customers" Instead of Look how Canon sold their customers a feature that didnt work as expected. Nice. No wonder Sony doesn't want to be involved with enthusiast sites.
The video specs for the 5DII that people bought at launch were well publicized months before cameras were available. Canon made the original video feature a P&S option without auto focus. People discovered the quality of the FF 1080p video and the camera sold very well.

But people complained that the video should be more than P&S, so Canon released a firmware update that gave manual control over exposure settings. Then people complained about the 44.1khz audio sampling that is not the broadcast standard, and the lack of 24p (23.976fps) 25p for PAL, and true 29.97fps broadcast standard frame rates. More than a year after launch Canon has a new firmware update that takes care of all that including 48khz audio sampling rate.

You can try to spin that into a bad thing if you like, good luck.

Sal
 
Ahh I see so they didn't answer you and aren't listening to you so you've joined the the rest that just post here to keep the noise level high on this forum. I see

Well it's not me thats spun this. this firmware release was solely to make this cameras video useable without further processing.... That their ciusomers shouldn't have had to do. The people that bought these for Video and were stuck with them are quite happy.... or will be if Canon releases this. If it works... and It doesn't break anything else. You have spun this as Conon "looking after their customers" Instead of Look how Canon sold their customers a feature that didnt work as expected. Nice. No wonder Sony doesn't want to be involved with enthusiast sites.
The video specs for the 5DII that people bought at launch were well publicized months before cameras were available. Canon made the original video feature a P&S option without auto focus. People discovered the quality of the FF 1080p video and the camera sold very well.

But people complained that the video should be more than P&S, so Canon released a firmware update that gave manual control over exposure settings. Then people complained about the 44.1khz audio sampling that is not the broadcast standard, and the lack of 24p (23.976fps) 25p for PAL, and true 29.97fps broadcast standard frame rates. More than a year after launch Canon has a new firmware update that takes care of all that including 48khz audio sampling rate.

You can try to spin that into a bad thing if you like, good luck.

Sal
True. I read that as Canon responding to the wants/needs of their customers.

It also tells me that Canon knows how to design a camera to be able to be upgraded in the future via firmware. Something Sony apparently doesn't know how to do (or is unwilling to do).

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Rick
 
I think the Sony dslr division is being run on a shoestring and they don't have the resources to do a fw update. The 700 probably didn't make money for them and they are leery about putting resources into a replacement. Look at lenses, do you really believe that the one lady doing the 300 2.8 is the reason for its cost; more likely they had leftover stock and tried to keep demand low because they couldn't machine new stock. Lets give sony dslr division a pat on the back for even existing, they are competing with a 3d mentality group.
I think that not only Alpha, but the whole Sony corporation, was operated on a shoestring in 2009, a belt-tughtening to make up for the huge hit Sony was taking in its banking sectors. With the Alpha division, that was most apparent in the paucity of the new cameras. What I am interested in is how big a hit R&D took--which of course will affect what we see from Sony this year & next. If they kept R&D going pretty well, I don't too much care about 2009. It's what happens between now and the end of the year that counts. And I'm convinced that Sony thinks it has the goods this year.
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A700; SAL 50 f1.4; SAL 18-250; CZ 85 f1.4
 
Assuming it happens, but I think we'll see chickens water ski before that happens.

Hope I'm wrong, hope Alpha users get what they deserve.

Soon as its announced, and we see that the FW upgrade is decent, I'll gladly eat some crow here and on our site.

Carl
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Now Carl, you mean you've never seen chickens water skiing? :)

I know that you feel bad, the worst kind of bad, betrayed. I feel bad too, but it can't be remotely as bad as you feel. So I think I understand. But I hold out some hope, and think that Sony will have a good year.

Let's hope it really starts with a FW update for the A850/900, and that is followed in swift succession by a series of exciting new bodies and lenses. I think that pretty much anyone on this forum would wish the same. I hope that for your sake as well as Sony's sake. You've poured your life into Sony for, I think, two or more years now. I think I saw some of your first stories, covering PMA in 2008. A900 sensor, A900 mockups and all.

Last summer you tried harder to be positive about the new entry-level cameras than anyone else, except maybe George Schaub. By last fall, however, you were in no mood to give quarter in reviewing a much better camera, the A550. And today you have clearly lost heart.

Except that I think, your investment in AMW notiwthstanding, you would return to the fold, with enthusiasm, if still with reservations, were Sony actually to turn it around this year.

My take on Sony is that Alpha's 2009 problems were a reflection of the corporation-wide belt-tightening following the economic collapse. That collapse started with the financial and banking industry, and Sony was much more deeply involved with those industries than any of its competitors. Much more. The prudent thing was to tighten up, especially in a year when it might be expected that dslr sales would plummet. If Sony thought that, they were wrong, of course, but it would have been reasonable to believe that sales of dslrs would in fact drop.

For example, where was the publicity, where were the commericals and magazine ads for Alpha in 2009, at least in the US? Sony had put itself in the position to capitalize on the A900, but it didn't happen. Why? There are only two reasonable explanations for this--Sony's strategy was to go after Europe first, perhaps through the middle of 2010, and then go after the US? or there simply was less money to put into adverstising (belt-tighteining)? or, more likely in my view, both?

So I don't think that what happened in 2009 was because Sony didn't care about its customers, or about photographers, or wasn't listening, or had lost heart about the possibility of competing in the dslr industry. Remember that Sony had just surged into a strong third in the market when these problems took hold.

In any case, I get the feeling that Sony believes it has put its problems behind it. Sometimes that feeling is accompanied by a strong surge of confident activity. I certainly hope that is the case with Sony in 2010.

Maybe all of us will see chickens water skiing this year.

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A700; SAL 50 f1.4; SAL 18-250; CZ 85 f1.4
 

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