D700+SB900+SD-9a=800 full power flashes

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Been beating my SB-900 rather mercilessly as of late. Yesterday I got more than 800 full power manual flashers from the SB-900 with the SD-9a battery pack. Both flash and batt pack were filled with fully charged Eneloops.
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Been beating my SB-900 rather mercilessly as of late. Yesterday I got more than 800 full power manual flashers from the SB-900 with the SD-9a battery pack. Both flash and batt pack were filled with fully charged Eneloops.
Do you have the overheating protection enabled?
 
Hmm,...so, you're saying that you placed your SB-900 in Manual mode and fired it 800 times from the time the first photo was captured to the time the 800th photo was captured using an SD-9a btry pack! ...and it didn't overheat?

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The overheating issue is a puzzler for me. I shoot rather hurridely at times, strings of 20 pics in half a minute are not unusual. The only time my SB-900 has overheated, is when I was in direct sunlight.

The first day I used the SB-900, I had no problems with overheating at all. The second day was one of those 80 degree SoCal winter blessings, and the flash overheated. I quickly swapped out to an SB-800. My SB-900 was too new to mess with.

The following weekend was also warm. In anticipation of trouble, I disabled the thermal shut off. However when I got the high temp warning, I chickened out and swapped to an SB-800. The next day, I paid attetion to the thermo indicator between shots. I found that simply by shading the head of the SB-900, I could keep the temp readings under control, and I had no issues.

This past Sunday was breezy and cool in SoCal, but sunny. I negllected to shade my SB-900 and began getting the annoying audible hi-temp allert. I disabled that too, shaded the head of the flash when idle, and the problem went away. I subsequently got over 800 M 1/1 pops.

I am not a hyper analytical sort. But I would love to figure out how to compare the internal temps of the SB-900 with an SB-800. There must be a way to put a temp sensor inside the units to monitor and compare the actual temperatures. Can anyone recommend some kit that might work? It seems to me that if the amount of energy supplied to the flashes is roughly equal, so to should be the heat produced. If the SB-800 doesn't mellt at XX.X degrees, neither should the SB-900.

On a more absurd note, I plan on fashioning a little sun hat for my SB-900. I am thinking one of those wittle umbwellas from a tourist trap Mai Tai might do the trick.... Las Vegas will be the perfect laboratory to research tropical cocktails to find the best umbrella for the SB-900.
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My slogan on my website is Capturing the Moment..

If I had to use a flash where you needed to shade the head to prevent overheating, could you see me saying to those in the wedding, could you wait 10 minutes so my flash cools off before you doing anything worth photographing.. geez...
 
My experience so far is that if the flash headed is shaded the overheating problem doesn't arise. And if the internal temps are no greater than with an SB-800, it wouldn't matter anyway.

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You hid under a tree? or just cover up the flash w/ your hand?

Have you tried covering the flash with aluminum foil? It should bounce the light away and should dissipate heat faster.
 
By shading I simply mean keeping the flash head in my shadow while awaiting a shot, or covering it with my hand. Simple enough.

Foil would reflect sunlight, effectively, but might also retain heat unless it was suspended above the flsah head surface.
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The SB900 has larger capacitors and a large strobe and is going to generate more heat inside its plastic enclosure than the SB800. Heat is also a function of the power the strobe has to emit and that varies almost exponentially depending upon how the strobe is used or abused.

At f8 on a sunny day with ISO 200 the strobe has to put out 16x as much light as indoors at f4 and ISO 800. Which is why I use a Quantum Qflash outdoors with its separate flash head and open design for the flash tube that permits rapid cooling.

At least the SB900 shows the current limit for a fully enclosed battery, capacitors, and strobe design in a plastic case. Canon users have had similar problems with the 580EX flash units.

At the present time I use 4 SB800's along with two Qflash X5d flash heads. When it does come time to replace the SB800's if my only Nikon flash choices are the SB900 and the SB600 I will be probably end up buying Metz flash heads.

In the day of ISO 3200 cameras the SB900 was an unfortunate step in the wrong direction. Understandable in terms of the need for marketing hype but unfortunate nonetheless. Even dumber is having 3 completely different user interface designs for the SB600, SB800, and SB900. Bad enough that the boys and girls at Nikon do that with the controls and even the CF card orientation with the D3 and the D300 series of cameras. Nikon designs each piece of gear in a box as though no photographer might be using a SB600, SB800, and then buy a SB900 or have a D3 and want to also use a D300. At least all there lenses screw on the wrong way and that design flaw is consistent.
 
I was ready to drop coin for the Trio. Then I read the posts of UKPhotographer and learned that the effective output of the Trio is even less than the SB-800.

I also discovered that the Trio still has some bugs working in CLS mode. So when I found reconditioned SB-900s for $350, I jumped. At that price, I can burn through four SB-900s and still have less invested than with a Trio and 2x2.

Glad the Trio works for you. I may end up with one at some point. But I need to throw light, not spread it. And with 800 full power flashes, excellent recycle times, and overheating a non-event (so far), the SB-900 is doing the job.

You Will Never Walk Alone
 
Have shot over 300 with four AA Batt. Delkin Low Discharge 2300 in a sb900.
But, I am sure it was not full pop.
  • Have "yet" to find the "bottom" to these batteries.
It is rare that I do a full pop , being that I go to iso 800 even if the sun just threatens to go down LOL.

Love these Low discharge Delkin's at 2300 ... which is probably higher than any Envolopes I have seen.

shot two together in TTL for a play , shoot thru umbrella. and also comp'd down in Matrix (which also comp's down the flash in TTL)
  • Interesting observation on the Over HEAT during a HOT day, Wanchese, thank you for posting. Makes sense to me. And kinda explains why during these cold night shoots I have not seen the over heat issue yet.
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Been beating my SB-900 rather mercilessly as of late. Yesterday I got more than 800 full power manual flashers from the SB-900 with the SD-9a battery pack. Both flash and batt pack were filled with fully charged Eneloops.
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I was ready to drop coin for the Trio. Then I read the posts of UKPhotographer and learned that the effective output of the Trio is even less than the SB-800.
Any chance you could give a link to this?
 
This past Sunday I got 1,074 full power M 1/1 pops out of the SB-900 with the SD-9 battery pack, and I was still getting sec. recycle times. There was still more juice in the batteries when I stopped using flash.
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You Will Never Walk Alone
 
I was ready to drop coin for the Trio. Then I read the posts of UKPhotographer and learned that the effective output of the Trio is even less than the SB-800.
Any chance you could give a link to this?
I'm interested in learning more about these products, because I don't know anything about any flash or lighting other than the manufacturer's own flashes, so I'm still hoping for the link to this so I can learn more.
 

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