Are your photos worth $5000 to you?

Also, what about a flash? They are much cheaper than a D3s and make it to where a D90 can take pictures a D3s cant?

You can compromise too. Push the ISO up to 800 and then use the flash but the flash doesnt have to be as powerful so you arent annoying people (with the side effect of getting a lot of ambient mixed in there too).



And as for the comment about the photog not having a good time. This photog had a bit too much of a good time, was too drunk to turn the ISO back down from 3200. Sure, the pictures may not be techincally superior but nobody noticed when pouring through the pictures of our friend who was returning to Iraq

 
The D90 is great for high ISOs, but for really high ISOs (3200/6400), chroma noise in less than ideal indoor lighting is apparent even when not pixel peeping
Try to use raw and a good raw converter. Chroma noise can be removed by a good raw converter.

The luminance noise pattern of the D90 is random enough to be not to annoying and fine enough to be mostly noticeable at 100% view and hard to see at print size and normal viewing distance (up to A4 sized prints).
 
I agree with the SB900... why not spend the $5000 on a lens upgrade and a family holiday unless you habitually print poster size?
 
Well, I look at photos from when I was a kid, or when my parents were kids, and they are fantastic. They are not technically perfect, in the ones that are colour, the colours are washed out or not accurate.

But, they are fantastic pictures, their imperfections are part of their charm. If we could back in time and take a picture of Queen Victoria or Abraham Lincoln with a D3S, I wouldn't be interested in seeing it. They are products of their time.

There is nothing wrong with having good equipment, but in 10 years time, D3S pics may look poor (relatively) and the same question will arise. Where do you stop?

It's more important that you capture the moment, the quality is good enough, and in years to come, you may even cherish that fact that the idiosyncracies of a D90 (or whatever body) have been preserved.
 
I notice you have a Sigma 1.4 as well, how come you are shooting so many images at ISO3200 and 6400? Perhaps dropping the shutter speed might help?

But .... if you can afford it .... go for it and see you on the FF forum :-)
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Buy some fast glass... at one point in time photographers could easily get up to 3200 without push processing their film. And these were pros... guess what... they survived AND got paid for their work. I think you can survive.

But if you really want the high ISO then go for the D700, the D3S or even D3 is a lot more camera then you think.
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I don't have a problem with my D90's noise at ISO3200 either. In fact, I continue to be blown away at how good those high-iso shots usually look. Sure, ISO3200 shots are noisier than ISO200 if you pixel-peep, but never to the level that I think, "drat, shoulda had a D700".

The point you raise is true of any product. Be it cameras, cars, houses, espresso machines, shoes, pens, or stereos. Is it worth it to you to spend the extra $X to get what you think you need? Some people are happy in Honda Civics. Others require a 7-Series BMW or an S-Class Merc. Those demanding a 7-series might look at a Civic with disdain - "how can you possibly enjoy driving that?". Where the Civic owner might reply, "it gets me to the same places your 7-series does". Some people are happy with the included headphones that came with their iPod, while others demand $1,000+ ones with dedicated amps. It's all a question of value and what matters to you. There are no right or wrong answers.

It's the same with cameras. You can spend $1,000 on a mid-range DSLR like a D90, and you're getting a very good camera. Much better than what most people use to snap their photos (who are using camera phones or $150 P&S's). And it's easy to forget that when you're pining over the latest Dxo measurements of that new lens you want. But like most things, a $1,000 camera isn't going to perform quite on the level as a $3,000 one, and likewise compared to an $8,000 one.

So if you can afford it, and you find your techno-lust inflamed by it, you might as well pony up and spend the money. The soon-to-be-released D700 replacement will likely cost around $3,000 and will almost certainly be an amazing camera. If you've got the cash, go for it. Going back to the cars analogy, it's like deciding that spending $x for the leather interior or the bigger engine is worth it. If it is to you, nothing else will make you quite as content. In a year or two or three, you probably won't miss the few thousand bucks that it cost you, but you have the happy life-experiences gained from those extra "doodads" that you paid for.

I too, look back on some of my earlier digital photos and sometimes think, "man, if I'd had a DSLR (or that lens, etc), I could have better-nailed that shot." But you know what? I also think some of those old P&S snapshots have charm to them. Just the other day I was perusing a couple of albums I took with my old Coolpix 995, many years ago. Kind of amazed at how great a lot of those photos are. While certainly nowhere near the IQ level of the D90, they have their own unique "digital patina" about them that made me remember the joy of buying & using that camera. Sure, the blues are noisy and the AF sometimes missed, but it captured a lot of great memories. And I think, in the end, that's all that really matters.

Good luck!

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First my answer no my d300 is fine for me

2nd question how different is the IQ between the d90 & d60 in your opinion?
The D90 is a lot faster camera to use. It also meters better in dark situations with a bright object in the frame (eg street with streetlight) and has the extra stop of ISO. But honestly, I actually prefer the images I got from the D60 in many cases. Just a personal preference on the way it operates.

Having the two though, I use the D90 because it's faster and because of the extra ISO stop.

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How fast are your lenses? A 50 1.8 stopped down to 2.8 would be sharp, have enough DOF and give 1-2 stops improvement light gathering over the kit lens.

If you have money burning a hole in your pocket go buy a SB900 and take the Nikonian's CLS workshop. The results will be better than upgrading.
As it says in my signature, I have an SB900, F2.8 Tamron VC 17-50, and Sigma F1.4 30mm :)

Tamron F2.8 with VC which is very sharp and, with VC, gives me a few extra stops. But in bars, I still have to resort to F2.8, and using a flash just doesn't cut it in those situations.

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Here is the thing though, are you really gonna carry D3s with you to bars/clubs/restaurants all the time?? It is large and heavy, not like you D90. D90 - no problems to take everywhere with you. I'll tell you when I carry my D300+grip at night to places it gets heavy and large.
Good point. Those F2.8 Nikon lenses look blooming heavy too!

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But later in life, what is going to be more important to me?
Looking back at grainy D90 ISO 3200/6400 photos and thinking "I saved $5000",

or looking back at ISO 3200/6400 photos which are almost perfect (in terms of noise)?
1) Or, "I had 5K to spend, and I took my family for 2 weeks in Tahiti"
2) a) I used D90 at ISO 1600
b) I used slower shutter speed
c) I used Noise Ninja
d) I realized noise is a non-issue if everything else looks great (or even OK)
I'm really beginning to think that maybe blowing $5000 on a D3S isn't such a bad idea.... Anyone else see my logic?
People who can afford it, don't need to ask. If you need to ask, it means you can't afford it

Just my 2c
 
At least based on what my 40" x 60" prints sell for now.

But selling a few can easily reach the $5,000.00 mark you speak of.

Roman
Good point! I've still not bought yet, bit it's very tempting.

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